DATE: September 3, 2002
TV program was aired recently (3.9.2002) in Slovenia
, on the biggest slovenian
TV station, POP tv( www.pop-tv.si
250.000 people saw it. We translated the whole TV program. Video will
be available soon. Enjoy!
WITNESSES IN SLOVENIA
TRANSCRIPT OF THE THE TV PROGRAM
Otos parents joined the Jehovahï¿½s Witnesses when he was four years old.
By reason of their
he wasnï¿½t allowed to celebrate his birthdays, new years or any other,
as they name them, pagan holidays. He was dissuaded from associating
with worldly children, watching TV or films, which had no reference
to the faith.
OTO: As long as you are a Jehovahï¿½s Witness being with other people
means nothing but talking about Gods
, about the
wonderful good news. Any other conversation is said to be throwing
pearls to the swine.
only entertainment he could enjoy beside going to school was the regular
Bible study, meetings (five hours a week) and the door-to-door service.
OTO: I was always scared that some of my school-friends or teachers
might answer the door. At school I was named a jehovist. I was stigmatized
all the years of my school time..
Marko was their member for some years, together with his wife and his
children. He disassociated himself because he could not agree with the
pressure which the elders put upon the education of his children. As
he created a new life after leaving the organization, he asked us not to
reveal his identity.
MARKO: They donï¿½t baptize children and they pride themselves with that,
but they are indoctrinated since their earliest age, before they are
able to read and write. They have cassettes to watch and their parents
must study with them, they should bring them to all meetings, even if
they are only two or three years old. They must sit silently for two
hours, if they are not quiet, they punish them physically. The physical
punishment is one of the commands to the Jehovahï¿½s Witnesses.
GRAPHICS FROM A JWS PUBLICATION: BUILD UP A HAPPY FAMILY LIFE, p. 133:
not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod,
he shall not die
shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Prov.
That the Jehovahï¿½s Witnesses treat the children in an extremely unusual
way became quite obvious in May this year, when it was discovered, that
in the USA ,
where the Witnesses have their headquarters, there is a list of more
than 23.000 pedophiles in thei r
r anks. Most
of them were neve r
r eported to
MARKO: There is a secret manual for elders where itï¿½s clearly stated
that such crimes should not be reported to the police.
THE SECRET ELDERS MANUAL (PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELVES AND ALL THE FLOCK,
the elders are informed about an illegal activity or any other delict
or wrongdoing committed by a member of the community, they will not,
even if it is instructed by the laws of the Church, announce it to the
OTO: The Society is a real pedophile paradise because their judicial
committee needs two eyewitnesses, but in these cases usually there are
GRAPHICS: THE SECRET ELDERS MANUAL (PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELVES AND
ALL THE FLOCK, 1982):
material is applicable?
must be at least two or three eyewitnesses, not only the persons who
repeat what they heard. If there is just one eyewitness nothing can
victims who, although they were not allowed to, informed the police
about the crimes, were later disfellowshipped. As we wished to get some
further information about what is going on in this religious group we
asked their spokesman, Mr Janko Novak for an interview. At first he
was willing to permit the filming but when I let him know that their
former members would also take part in this TV program, his answer was
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: I donï¿½t think we can make it. You can tell
that we refused any cooperation.
he accepted the interview but he didn't allow us any other filming or
conversation with other believers, even with no camera. When I asked
him about their secret manual for elders he first denied existence of
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: A far as I know it was never, never and nowhere
written that we should not report such things to the police.
THE REPORTER: Is this book yours? (she shows him the manual)
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Yes, it is. But these rules have been out
of practice for many years. (he laughs nervously)
THE REPORTER: But they were in practice then?
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: That was 20 years ago, I was too young then
THE REPORTER: But you probably have newe r
r ules, can
you show those, if it is not written anymore
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: I cannot show it to you if it isnï¿½t written.
THE REPORTER: May I check it out?
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Yes, you can.
THE REPORTER: Will you show me the new manual?
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Yes, I will, after the filming.
But it all came to nothing. When the camera turned off, even after having
been promised I couldnï¿½t see the new manual. At the police station
they didnï¿½t know how to answer my question if they had ever come upon
a case of pedophilia. They say that the accused persons are never asked
I was interested in some other directives. By reason of scriptural restrictions
they reject the blood transfusions. What follows if an individual
accepts blood if he is strictly forbidden to do it?
JANKO NOVAK: You know what would happen? If an individual accepted the
transfusion if he were forced to do it, he could fall in such
a bad state that he should be helped. We had cases like that and the
members told us, they felt like being raped.
THE REPORTER: Would you have accepted a transfusion?
OTO: Yes, I probably would. If I had of Iï¿½d probably have been disfellowshipped.
the central hospital I was told that so far they havenï¿½t had any problems
with patients rejecting blood. The main reason is a low number of Witnesses
(1850), so they havenï¿½t had a case where they should deal with
serious complications. Nevertheless there have been many death cases
abroad, with many children among them.
OTO: If a person refuses the transfusion and dies, then they write articles
on him in their publications. They make him a hero, they praise him
almost like god.
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: I know none of such cases (that anybody died
fo r r ejecting
GRAPHICS: A JWS PUBLICATION: GOOD NEWS WHICH WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY, p.
has already happened in rare cases however that the conscious objection
prevented some people from accepting blood and they died therefore.
As they respected Gods law faithfully they will be resurrected in Gods
What makes a person who becomes a Jehovahï¿½s Witness and what is in fact
going on within this group? I asked these questions to some other former
members, for example a woman who, as she says, wishes to forget her
bitter life experience as soon as possible.
THE WOMAN: I was going through a terrible life situation and at
that time I was glad to hear that something better was promised to us.
A world with no pain and no suffering at that time those words made
me deeply relieved.
Their system of collecting new members seems to be built up to detail.
They write down quite everything about the people who let them enter
THE WOMAN: They write down in fact anything they notice about the person
they are talking to: how he reacted, what questions he asked, his interests,
his education and what should be done that the preaching to him should
be as much successful as possible.
GRAPHICS: NOTES ABOUT INTERESTED PERSONS
Soon she found out that things are not so wonderful as they had been
promising to her. Any doubt was automatically suppressed.
THE WOMAN: Spying on everybody is obligatory. Every member must report
any wrongdoing which is committed by some other believer. If he refuses
to obey he risks disfelowshippment himself.
MARKO: These things go so far that a husband is to denounce his wife
and vice versa.
Oto was betrayed by his then friends. He was disfellowshipped for being
intimate with a girl who did not belong to thei r
r eligion. The
other two disassociated themselves. They all agree that the deepest
pain was the absolute isolation which followed their leaving the
group. The believers are commanded to avoid any contact with a former
OTO: As a matter of fact thereï¿½s no worse punishment from the threat
that you would be disfellowshipped because you live in your own world
and you know no other world except the world of Jehovahï¿½s Witnesses.
OTO: Everybody shuns you, even the contacts with your own parents are
limited, especially from the spiritual side, the others are avoiding
you on the street, looking away.
THE WOMAN: It happens very often that, if they don't live in the same
household, the children shun their own parents, brothers, sisters grandparents
are not allowed to see their grandchildren anymore. Such cases are very
Mr. Novak denied everything that I had been told by the former members.
JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Its just complaints brought out by some individuals
who left the ranks of Jehovahï¿½s Witnesses, I donï¿½t know for what reasons
which may be best clear to themselves.
The former members explained thei r
r easons for
leaving the group on the web sites. (www.izobceni.streznik.org, www.jehovovexprice.tk)
They say that it is the only way to warn the present and the future
members against the abuse they experienced themselves.
OTO: Now I can see that I was manipulated and that everything was just
a delusion. His only wish after his 20 years life among the Witnesses
is trying to compensate the lost years of childhood. At the age of 25
he celebrated his first birthday.
TV PROGRAM LEADER: Former and even current members are planning a protest
march at the end of September. They want to warn about problems in the
Izobceni streznik team ( www.izobceni.streznik.org
about this TV program: http://24ur.com/naslovnica/preverjeno/20020903_2013700.php
(in slovenian but with some interesting screenshoots of JW spokesman):