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Remote User:

Date: 01 Oct 2001

Time: 12:22:24

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Bill: I listened to the radio program from Sunday; you did a wonderful job of presenting your information! You really were a voice of reason in the face of the religious madness that covers over pedophilia among JWs. Thanks again for your sterling work in providing a safe haven for silent lambs everywhere. Those of us nursing the festering wounds of molestation and abuse are empowered by your compassion and by the courage of the lambs that are learning to roar.

With gratitude, Mommie Dark mommiedark@earthlink. net

Remote User:

Date: 02 Oct 2001

Time: 16:54:19

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I would like to thank you for having this site for people to see. It is so important for people to have a place to go where they know they are believed and to tell their stories. My name is Andrea and my email is ggltm@hotmail. com God Bless

Remote User:

Date: 02 Oct 2001

Time: 17:25:59

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VERY GOOD---yes one should stop being a silent lamb and be a screaming loud mouth like ME. . . . QUEENIE (LINDA queenapostate@webtv. net (((HEALING HUGS))))

Remote User:

Date: 02 Oct 2001

Time: 23:07:11

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What i have just read is a horrendous crime and i offer my prayers to those (children and families) who are in need. i do not have much to send but will pass on the information that i have discovered. i was merely doing research for a class subject and would have never thought to read upon a situation as this. However, i commend you and will pray with you for the Lord to find justice on the disturbed persons who commit these crimes against innocent children. i do intend to share this with my classmates in hopes that they will also be a helpful tool, even if it by word of mouth. The tongue has exceeding power (never forget that) especially when you are speaking for God and his children. God bless you in your efforts Kimberlynb2001@yahoo. com

Remote User:

Date: 03 Oct 2001

Time: 08:32:23

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It is time that the true story of the Watchtower Society should be told. I have a book about WT control called "Jehovah Lives In Brooklyn: Jehovah's Witnesses as a Model of Fundamentalism. " http://www. gatorsden. faithweb. com It can be read online. My wife and I voluntarily quit the Witnesses in 1986. We are still totally shunned by over 35 JW relatives. -- Gator gator@fredsplace. org

Remote User:

Date: 03 Oct 2001

Time: 11:54:42

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I am glad that you have made a site available to assist those who have been abused by the WT. I left the org almost 5 years ago because it's not "the truth" . I've always saw things that were done "in the dark" and hidden from the public eye. I haven't known of any sexual abuse in my previous cong. but I have suspected some. May God's blessing and mercy be upon all those who survive the sexual and emotional abuse thrust on them.

Michelle mstco91@hotmail. com

Remote User:

Date: 03 Oct 2001

Time: 21:46:13

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Hello, I am certainly glad to have found your site. I have recently been disfellowshipped by the congregation, And I am still wondering what to do and where to get encouraging information. I still hold faith in most of the teachings of my former family.

As of recently in the Watchtower magazine information on this very subject (pedophiles in the congregation) has been written, I am sorry that I cannot provide you with an exact date, but it read that under no circumstances will anyone, brother or sister that has been found to have a sickness as horrific as this will ever hold a position as an elder, ministerial servant, pioneer etc. They are not even allowed to have any privilege whatsoever ie. . carrying microphones or passing our bible literature at the local Kingdom Halls. They are under strict supervision at all times, unable to take young people out in the field ministry or conduct bible studies at anyone's house. And also it is made aware to others in the congregation that there has been a matter within the congregation that directly involves the children. It is in no way hidden or "covered up!" In fact I am personally aware of a so-called brother who is serving 20-35 years in San Quentin for such abuse. He was not protected at all by the Elders or the congregation. If someone is accused of this, it is taken very seriously, Because of this accusation the accused is still watched very carefully being told he may never be in the presence of children or young people alone or cannot frequent homes that have young ones there. True or not the accusation may be, but the elders take this matter very seriously and recommend the accuser to seek counseling and they follow up on the matter quickly and in a loving way.

I hope I have given you some insight in the changes or growth within the organization. Please look into it a little more, you will be pleased that the congregation and the Brothers from the Society are taking this matter very seriously.

Please e-mail me back, I'd love to talk more. Dana Lundquist Danalundq@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 04 Oct 2001

Time: 03:45:58

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Hello Dana, I noted your post and appreciate your optimism regarding the handling child molestation within the organization. I was much like you in having complete trust in the Society as to handling these matters properly. I was PO in my congregation until 12-31-00 so I am familiar with current information concerning this issue. As a matter of fact when I as an elder had to deal with an actual case of child molestation in my congregation it was only then did I realize how bad WT policy actually was. I had eight conversations with WT service and legal in an effort to have a fellow brother reported who had molested a ten year old multiple times. I was told to "wait on Jehovah". I decided Jehovah did not want me to wait when a person commits a crime against children.

I understand to that many elders do try to do the right thing in dealing with these matters, but if wt legal gets involved they have to do as instructed. It appears from your comments you have not read much of the website. I encourage you to do so as I think it will help you have a clearer picture of this matter. Read the victims page, are all these people lying about being molested as children? I have personally talked to hundreds who give names, congregations, and places. I believe them, while every detail may not be factual, I believe they were molested and hurt by wt policy. The wt you refer to is 1-97 I am very familiar with the article as I conducted the wt study and after doing so felt very good about the new policy. Three months later we elders got a letter in March that stating otherwise. That is, child molesters could continue to serve if it had been a long time ago. That point was not mentioned in the article. If you review the body of elder letter of 6-1-01 written to British congregations you will see it is still wt policy as of 6-01. You may review these letters on my website under wt letters.

You see, it is about telling the truth, I have no axe to grind with the Society, I simple cannot morally and ethically go along with a policy that hurts children. I wrote this to the Society in December of last year. You may read my letter on the website where I outline the full extent of the problem with wt policy. How did the Society respond? They said, "we accept your resignation". I have been associated for 43 years as a JW, close to 20 years as an elder and not one word of counsel was offered to readjust my thinking. Don't you think an old timer like me would at least disserve that?

So once again I encourage you to read the points mentioned and also you might review the sentencing hearing of Erica and Berry where between them, close to forty JW's pleaded for a judge to let the convicted child molester go and a good portion stated they would like the molesters to baby-sit their children. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

As a JW we are taught to stand up for what is right no matter what the odds. I stand for what I believe to be right on this issue and I can prove it. If after reviewing the material suggested you would like to discuss this further I will be glad to discuss it with you. The conversation will be confidential of course.

I encourage any and all to write the Society and ask for them to change WT policy on this matter.

Three things should be adjusted:

1. If your child is molested, go to the police first and report the matter. 2. A child molester should never have any position of authority in the congregation. 3. A child molester should never be allowed to go in the door to door ministry.

Currently none of these are WT policy. Does that seem like to much to ask? I know these things are disturbing, but sometimes you have to get disturbed to get to the truth. For you to write I feel you must be sincere. I hope you find the truth of these matters.

regards, silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 04 Oct 2001

Time: 19:36:53

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I am an ex-jw and live with my own pain of being abused and molested. my father still an elder, the molester, and my family still jws. It was much easier it seemed to discard me as a family member and remove me from the congregation than to bring shame on the organization. I have yet to recover. I am happy to have found this site. Thank You kbs2112slb@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 07 Oct 2001

Time: 02:38:36

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I think this web site is great for people like me who grew up a Wit. I can relate to so many stories that I read here, seeing all first hand growing up. It's comforting knowing that It wasn't all just me. As I was made to believe most of my childhood.

Jason

Remote User:

Date: 09 Oct 2001

Time: 02:52:33

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It is amazing how people who are to chicken to reveal their identity are so quick to call people liars. Your posts will be removed not because of what you may think of me, but for the simple reason you are calling molestation victims liars. Shame on you and people like you who re victimize those who have been hurt by those they trusted. Insolent stupidity and crass comments about victims will not be tolerated. May Jehovah move you to think about your actions and feel shame for what you are doing. silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 09 Oct 2001

Time: 03:01:33

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Yes your posts were deleted as are all posts that attack victims. The victims come here as a place of refuge and where their stories are believed. In many cases the congregation did the opposite. When you say lies are being told you re victimize those who have had enough victimization from those they trusted. That will not happen here.

May Jehovah move you to feel shame for your actions and stop using harmful language against the silentlambs.

Remote User:

Date: 09 Oct 2001

Time: 03:02:52

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Yes your posts were deleted as are all posts that attack victims. The victims come here as a place of refuge and where their stories are believed. In many cases the congregation did the opposite. When you say lies are being told you re victimize those who have had enough victimization from those they trusted. That will not happen here.

May Jehovah move you to feel shame for your actions and stop using harmful language against the silentlambs.

Remote User:

Date: 09 Oct 2001

Time: 14:58:41

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IM GLAD THEY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED WHAT A CRAZY WAY TO HANDLE THIS PROBLEM

SYBILJERRY INC @AOL. COM

Remote User:

Date: 09 Oct 2001

Time: 17:25:03

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About 4 years I spoke with a bro. in the Writing Dept. about the problem I KEPT ENCOUNTERING FOR YEARS in the congregations (plural!). I was absolutely enraged and fed up with it and sick to death of hearing it one more time and experiencing the repercussions of such an attitude!

I specifically said to this brother that we victims/survivors were vulnerable and were being put AT RISK and in danger by the brothers because of the things they were believing, saying and doing to us.

This very kind brother said to me and these are his EXACT WORDS (and I hope it doesn't get him in trouble): "I agree with you 100%. " He said that they had received many letters from sisters which were 10-15 pages long and that they were too lengthy to pass around to be read. And, he said that NO ONE had ever said what I told him. NO ONE had ever said that what the "friends" were saying and believing was rendering the victims more VULNERABLE and putting the victims AT RISK!

He proceeded to ask me to write what I had told him, and to be sure to include what I said about being made VULNERABLE and put AT RISK, on a "one page letter, signed on that page" and he gave me the exact address to send it to them. He promised me that he would to see to it that those who needed to read it would get a copy. However, he said he could not promise what would happen after that.

A little over a month later I received 2 form letters from the WT Writing Dept. in response. In the second one, which was identical to the first except for some additions, they 'commended the elders' who had hurt me!!!!! Can you imagine how that felt? I was devastated!!!

I had BEGGED the WT, the Society, our "Mother" as they told us they were, to come to our aid, to stand up for us, to cover us and protectively shield us, to be the parents we never had. Instead, they commended the elders who hurt me! This is just a piece of what transpired.

I just a few minutes ago got off the phone with the United Nations. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has been an affiliate in the NGO/DPI section for 10 years. (See www. un. org) They are registered under the subject of HUMAN RIGHTS. I let the UN know that my Human Rights were violated again and again by this organization which is affiliated with them and is supposed to be supporting the work of the UN in the area of Human Rights.

Thank you, Bill, for replying to the one who tried to re victimize us again by saying to that one, "When you say lies are being told you re victimize those who have had enough victimization from those they trusted. That will not happen here. " Thank YOU for doing what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. has absolutely refused to do for us - time and again!!!!! Thank YOU!

I will never be a silentlamb again!! I absolutely refuse!!! And they know it.

Thank you, P

Remote User:

Date: 11 Oct 2001

Time: 18:41:25

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People didn't believe Jesus either.

P.

P. S. - I left out a word on my Oct. 9 post. It was meant to read "About 4 years ago. . . "

Remote User:

Date: 12 Oct 2001

Time: 12:55:18

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This is a message to M Mouse, to the frightened child who hides behind the Disney Icon. If you have any intestinal fortitude you would come out and discuss what your angry about. Instead you hide like many of the victims of the WT have out of FEAR, that's right your as afraid as they all are.

Instead you hit of the SL site like Osama bin Laden and then run the dark hills of the "unknown cyber space" where you FEEL safe and make comments knowing no one can rebuttal you. Don't you feel "All powerful"? You are the cyber terrorist who carries the shame of "INGORANCE" cast on you by your blindness. Come out and discuss things in the open if you dare.

Remote User:

Date: 16 Oct 2001

Time: 12:59:36

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Being a former JW, I have heard many brothers from the pulpit, downgrade the Catholics for the pedophile priests, downgrade the Baptists for their philandering preachers and tell the flock that if those organizations were blessed by God those actions would not be taking place. Those issues have even been used as service points. I have heard it said that you cannot change a bad organization from the inside. I ask, what is the difference now, the JW's are the molesters not all but many, just like the pedophile priests, not all but many. My heart goes out to the victims because many still don't have closure because they can not blame the organization, they cannot blame because to find fault with Jehovah's Holy Organization would be worse than the sin that has been committed against them. Wrong is wrong and it will be a glorifying day when JW's can shed their fears and see the wrong that is being committed in their midst and act against it regardless of theocratic consequences. May God give all of the victims strength to survive, come forward if possible and start living a life without fear of harm.

GHP

Remote User:

Date: 18 Oct 2001

Time: 14:57:35

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what an excellent website! I don't know of anyone personally who has been abused in my congregation, but I have no doubt that these things are going on. Thank you!

Remote User:

Date: 18 Oct 2001

Time: 15:08:06

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My name is Lyndal Munoz, I am an x-JW since 1997. I would like to know if the Dateline program has already been aired or when will it be. Please answer me at lynbmun@hotmail. com. thank you.

Remote User:

Date: 18 Oct 2001

Time: 16:40:50

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i always thought it was the truth but you make it sound just like all the other churches

Remote User:

Date: 21 Oct 2001

Time: 04:43:36

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I would also like to know if the Dateline show has aired yet (called Silent Lambs) and if not, when?

My best friend was molested by her father who is a wealthy well respected ministerial servant in his congregation. No one ever did anything about what happened - her dad tells everyone that she makes things up all the time. Not only the molestation, but her health problems (a fatal disease - neurofibromentosis) and abuse by her ex-husband. I detest him, and wish that something could be done about this. I am disfellowshipped and happy to be out of the "organization"; my friend mentioned above thankfully never got baptized, and has stopped going to meetings, etc. and is going to a wonderful church and is much happier. I really hope that the JW's are exposed for all to see what kind of a repressive cult they really are.

-Karolyn

kikisdragon@yahoo. com

Remote User:

Date: 21 Oct 2001

Time: 04:43:44

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I would also like to know if the Dateline show has aired yet (called Silent Lambs) and if not, when?

My best friend was molested by her father who is a wealthy well respected ministerial servant in his congregation. No one ever did anything about what happened - her dad tells everyone that she makes things up all the time. Not only the molestation, but her health problems (a fatal disease - neurofibromentosis) and abuse by her ex-husband. I detest him, and wish that something could be done about this. I am disfellowshipped and happy to be out of the "organization"; my friend mentioned above thankfully never got baptized, and has stopped going to meetings, etc. and is going to a wonderful church and is much happier. I really hope that the JW's are exposed for all to see what kind of a repressive cult they really are. -Karolyn kikisdragon@yahoo. com

Remote User:

Date: 23 Oct 2001

Time: 00:16:18

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why don't you have a live chat room where we could speak to each other

Remote User:

Date: 23 Oct 2001

Time: 02:30:38

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Dateline is in the pipeline, the current state of world event are taking precedence which I personally concur with. It will air just be patient, you can be sure all will be notified as soon as I have the go ahead. also we have a chat room, just set a time in advance and invite others to come. click on the chat button to start.

silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 24 Oct 2001

Time: 18:19:32

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I just came across your website -- the following is a poem I wrote years ago while dealing with elders who could not grasp . . . well, if you're here you know. It makes my head hurt to try to articulate it now. Anyway ==

I try without being obscene, But still,

One needs the poetic art of speaking

horrific things, in gentle tone --

to tell her story.

Unblinking brown eyes tell much -- and reading them, you know. But still,

There is the smile below her stare

wistfully aloof

to remind you that, as an adult,

you know nothing of things such as she has been through.

Remote User:

Date: 26 Oct 2001

Time: 11:49:29

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about 6 years ago i came out to the elders and told them i was sexually abused by my father. my mom ended up leaving my dad (i was 14 at the time) and i went through long sessions with the elders on this situation. they told me not to go to the police as it would reflect badly onto the congregation. being as headstrong as i am, i did anyways. i was disfellowshipped for that. now my family doesn't speak to me anymore, yet my father was found "repentant" and remained an active member in the congregation. i have heard that by now he is remarried - to a woman with small children nonetheless and that he is a ministerial servant. i found a letter online that was distributed to the elders in every congregation from the watchtower society that states people with a history of pedophilia ARE allowed to go door to door, make comments, be with small children, become elders, etc etc as long as there haven't been accusations against this person in a long time. its quite sad really. email me at cember@email. com if you'd like to see it. i was amazed at the THOUSANDS of people who were in a situation like me. . . its encouraging to see i wasn't alone though! :-)

Remote User:

Date: 26 Oct 2001

Time: 11:49:53

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about 6 years ago i came out to the elders and told them i was sexually abused by my father. my mom ended up leaving my dad (i was 14 at the time) and i went through long sessions with the elders on this situation. they told me not to go to the police as it would reflect badly onto the congregation. being as headstrong as i am, i did anyways. i was disfellowshipped for that. now my family doesn't speak to me anymore, yet my father was found "repentant" and remained an active member in the congregation. i have heard that by now he is remarried - to a woman with small children nonetheless and that he is a ministerial servant. i found a letter online that was distributed to the elders in every congregation from the watchtower society that states people with a history of pedophilia ARE allowed to go door to door, make comments, be with small children, become elders, etc etc as long as there haven't been accusations against this person in a long time. its quite sad really. email me at cember@email. com if you'd like to see it. i was amazed at the THOUSANDS of people who were in a situation like me. . . its encouraging to see i wasn't alone though! :-)

Remote User:

Date: 28 Oct 2001

Time: 13:54:43

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Thank you for this website. . . I accessed it through a link provided in a jahchristian newsletter. I am appalled by the amount of child abuse happening, though thoroughly believe it, as we have had an incidence in our family. Please keep up the good work and keep people informed.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Oct 2001

Time: 14:05:58

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Great work! Can't wait for everything to be out in the open. Nothing ever happened personally to me or my family. But I do recall one young girl being molested. The elders told her mother not to speak about it. So of course, she didn't. I cannot say if this is the reason, but this young girl married at a very young age, had 2 beautiful children and then suffered a severe depression. She left her husband, children and the "truth" and lived an immoral life. Very sad, all of this might be because of Watchtower policy to keep everything covered. I am Canadian and apart from this story have never heard of any other incident. I sincerely hope that the Watchtower changes their reasoning and start helping innocent victims. Because of their hypocrisy on different views, I have been inactive for nearly 2 years, and do not consider myself to be a JW anymore. I am anxious to see my families reaction when Dateline presents this story. Please keep us posted to when this will happen. Meanwhile, I pray that all the victims speak out, this is a first step in their healing process. God bless everyone of them, and no it's not your fault!!!

cridamado@yahoo. ca

Remote User:

Date: 29 Oct 2001

Time: 23:40:14

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I have never been and never will be part of the Watchtower organization. Thankfully I learned about the organization before I was ever approached about it. My ex-boyfriend just rejoined the witnesses after being disfellowshipped for normal teenage behavior. Nothing drastic. I found all of this information and couldn't believe that all of these people follow what is a path to destruction. Just from my ex's talk of his childhood, I soon understood what was going on. And I am so thankful to have gotten information such as yours because I have a 3 year old son and my ex kept asking me if he could take him to his "meetings. " (My son is not his child)The cases of pedophiles is another horror of the Watchtower organization. There is also the fact of the mind-control techniques that keeps members from finding out about these matters. And the fact that the New World Translation (the Jehovah's witnesses bible) is an abomination. The writers omitted scriptures and changed others around to suit their beliefs and doctrines. There are other serious issues about this cult and I have written TV stations in my area and I am going to write my local paper in the opinion section to inform people that they SHOULD look at this information. Thank you so much for speaking out and I pray for healing for those that have been violated and pushed aside because of some greedy old men that claim to be "God's channel of communication". Just remember this. They WILL know the truth and will be judged according to their works. Thank you again for your website. My ex-boyfriend will no longer talk to me because I tried to show him all of the information on the web and he said I was persecuting him. But his complete disgust toward my disciplining tactics of my son should have told me something sooner. He kept saying that my child should sit still and silent at meals and listen to me when I spoke and he kept referring to everyone and everything around him as "negative". I am grateful that I didn't get lured into that web of deceit.

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