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January 2002 Guestbook

Remote User:

Date: 01 Jan 2002

Time: 13:20:04

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I am shocked that there are so many victims of sexual abuse. It is obvious to me that these brothers or sisters have broken the law but I believe that overall Jehovah's Witnesses do not tolerate sex offenders but I can see how through being disfellowshipped and being reinstated (trust) that it could happen again if the person isn't reported to the police. Something does have to be done. There are so many new ones coming in and who really KNOWS them and what they do. The kingdom hall is open to the public and with that you get "surprises". Once a person goes commits a crime such as raping, fondling another , he or she should not be permitted to have authority through privileges to have a 2nd chance without proof of intense counseling through a sexual offender program and even then should not Ever be left alone to promote God's word without compliment by 2 others. I feel for all of you who are and were abused. May you find your own peace and love yourself. LochessEZ@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 05 Jan 2002

Time: 11:55:33

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I admire and applaud courageous demonstrations of honor and integrity, such as this Website, which is doing a valuable service in making the truth known about the Watchtower Society, and the associated religion who have appropriated the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" (a term that I find very difficult to write these days without enclosing it in quotes).

There are many kinds of victims of the Watchtower Society. I was involved with the Witnesses for over 30 years, and feel that the harm done to me, my family, and our interests through that association was immeasurable. Perhaps there were some benefits as well, although on balance, if I could relive those years I would choose to have been free of the mental and spiritual shackles placed on me by the organization. I have been encouraged to tell my personal story, and it will likely appear elsewhere online in the future.

George Henry ghenrymt@hotmail. com

Remote User:

Date: 13 Jan 2002

Time: 14:30:59

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very good website hope we will get the same in Denmark,

Remote User:

Date: 14 Jan 2002

Time: 19:30:39

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There is nothing on your website that I had not already suspected. One real obvious hugh error the watchtower society has made is all the talks, all the articles and there has been no instruction to the "sheep" about how to detect a pedophile, all the signs of a distressed child, and what to do and what a parent can expect from the watchtower or the elders in terms of support, what appropriate questions to expect and what inappropriate questions to not answer. The Society has kept this secret, the policy and procedure is secret. This leaves is open for the elder's to abuse this policy, do what they want - and no one knows better.

My other observation is that the articles about the Catholic Church and "their pedophiles" printed in the Awake 1990 gives the illusion that this problem does not exist in WTS.

I have heard first hand three different "child abuse" stories. Two were elders - one was molesting his own daughter when she was a child and then his granddaughter - he died long before anything was revealed. The other elder molested a newly baptized sister's little boy - never went to the police, man was never disfellowshipped. This elder is now dead. The other was a young sister, 3 kids and found out her "brother" husband was molesting their children - she got the two witness routing even though 2 of the 3 children were old enough to speak out - they had not been molested together. Her husband not only was not disfellowshipped but took up with another young sister with a child. The sister with the three children lost custody of her children; not one witness from her congregation would help her.

These stories have been in the back of my head for awhile now and what I have observed at my local Kingdom Hall. I would never go to them with a problem or concern. When I first got here, I told a brother who I thought was an elder that my husband had "raped me" and that I was distraught, very out of it angry - he had the typical response and asked if I was giving my husband his due. Anyway, I realized right there that this is nowhere for me to get any help spiritually.

You web site is a validation of what I already knew and it does make me heartsick to realize that this organization may not - probably not- have Jehovah's backing or Holy spirit. And I really don't know what to do.

I completely appreciate the courage of everyone who has contributed to the web site.

I am CEM and my e-mail address is cematlake@hotmail. com Thank you again for your intelligence, your integrity and your love for the truth.

Remote User:

Date: 15 Jan 2002

Time: 00:36:29

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I am not, nor would I ever consider being a JW. Frighteningly, my daughter is studying with them, and I fear for my grand daughter. So I am not here to ostracize them. . . but after reading so many comments about the validity of the "attacks" on these little lambs, I have to make some comments. First of all, it is only those of you who have NOT been raped or molested, that can question the honesty or sincerity of those who have shared their horrific experiences of violation! I was molested at age 5 by an uncle, someone who violated many young girls, and who was able to get away with it until his OWN 2 daughters went to the police 15 years ago, when they were teenagers! He denied it until my sisters and I agreed to appear in court to testify against him. . . . I am 50 years old. . . think of all the young girls he was able to violate in all those years, and I personally know of several. This man only got 10 years in prison, because he was only held accountable for his own 2 daughters. I was also raped by my step brother when I was 16, who had also molested me for several years before he raped me. This is a GLOBAL problem! So those of you who question the validity of the words spoken out by these "silent lambs", it isn't just JW girls who were violated. . . we are ALL silent lambs. I know the personal horror, and I know the fear that the perpetrator instills in you to keep you "silent. " It isn't because we don't want to tell, it isn't because we enjoyed our experience. It is because of the terrifying consequences that these evil men threaten you with to keep you from telling their "dirty little secret", not to mention that they also tell you that nobody will believe you anyway! Unless you have lived with the fear, unless you have lived with the torment, unless you have lived with the psychological scars that will never really heal, no matter how much therapy, you have no right to question whether or not these lambs are telling the truth. Only each little lamb knows the depth of their story, the incomprehensible horror, the nightmares, and the true hatred they feel. And without God Almighty in your life, that hatred eats away at you, like a cancer. We each have a story to tell, whether it be a JW victim, or the victim of a family, "friend" or stranger, and it is about time these stories are being told! I praise God in Heaven for this site, and that HE gave Bill the courage to leave the organization and fight for the rights of all the little lambs in the world! And I will say, until you have walked in OUR shoes, been where WE have been, seen what WE have seen, felt what WE have felt, you have no right to question the validity of OUR stories. Let's hear it for the little lambs. . . let us ROAR!!!

winrock2@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 16 Jan 2002

Time: 00:17:35

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yes, there is one JW Awake magazine on child victims of sex molesters requesting that these victims to forgive and forget then keep on working for JW. This made me so sick that these JW bastards thought it was nothing to be sexually molested while being a child. It is a shame that these JW elders usually protect these molesters.

Remote User:

Date: 17 Jan 2002

Time: 10:21:47

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great job

dan (rekless)

Remote User:

Date: 19 Jan 2002

Time: 21:55:19

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my name is mary hites, i was disfellowshipped after i was raped by another ex witness man i had known my whole life. the reason given was because i should not have been alone with him. i was treated as if it were all my own fault. i am not alone in having an experience like this in our congregation. my e mail address is maryhites255@hotmail. com

Remote User:

Date: 20 Jan 2002

Time: 00:49:36

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We will not beat the OLYMPICS NOT EVEN if RANDY WATTERS was leading them all I guarantee IT. . E-MAIL ME YOU SO CHOOSE -- queenapostate@webtv. net ((((hugs to all)))))

Remote User:

Date: 21 Jan 2002

Time: 00:17:58

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MARY HITITES---I am going to say this publicly since your disf. was made public. . . YOU ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR BEING RAPED EVEN IF YOU HAD RAN NAKED IN CIRCLES AROUND the SCHMUCK. . GOD does not blamed you I do not blame you therefore MARY you are not to blame my dear sweet lady not in my books and you can take that to the bank and cash it!!!! queen of apostates, etc. . . . .

Remote User:

Date: 22 Jan 2002

Time: 17:44:31

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I myself was a victim of physical, verbal & sexual abuse and when I went to the elders and to went to my mother and father and nothing was done to any of my abusers. This is sad because I've been the one who has suffered all these years and still to this day it still isn't viewed as a bad thing. Sad because my brother was one of my abusers and he feels he did nothing wrong because he said "that was before he was in the truth". He was old enough to know better and I do hope that people do come forward because believe you me the years of hiding and holding all this in will take a toll on your body and mind. Jehovah will not leave you behind because you are trying to do what is right. My abuse happened in the 70's and to this day I wish they would be held accountable for what they did. I've heard its been too long; I need to let it go; You have your life now and they have theirs don't mess it up for them, etc. I could go on with many more and I know you get the jest. I don't know if this will help anyone. This is part my story. A sad OH teenager that's on the road to to being a thriving adult.

Remote User:

Date: 22 Jan 2002

Time: 22:13:20

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Good web site. I am a USA Anglican and began dating a JEW living in Mexico City. The more I get to know about the Jew's the greater my concern for my (girl) friend. In searching sites concerning Cults I found "Silent Lambs". The girl I'm dating has been so incredibly brainwashed that even though I've completed a 4 year course in the church for the diaconate and another 4 year course from the U. of the South at Sweanee, TN, for the priest hood and general ministry ,,,,, I'm finding myself ill prepared to deal with this woman's distorted beliefs and perceptions. I am currently ordering some research books from Amazon. com but would also welcome feed back from anyone interested in giving it. Sincerely . . . . Kent kentnyce@msn. com

Remote User:

Date: 23 Jan 2002

Time: 17:28:11

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I was robbed of the memory of my molester. Although my family figured out who it was, they didn't tell me till after he'd died. Now I can't close the chapter and am in great conflict. What if he's resurrected and I'm killed off at Armageddon because I can't handle the crap he left and am a huge marijuana user. I died at 6 years of age, I really don't want to die again! I'm studying still, finally came back into the truth after 8 years and it's helping a little. However, this policy of two witnesses and they can't even be different incidents, ridiculous. I asked the sister I'm studying with about this and she said that the policies have changed now and the brothers have learnt from the past. That does not help all the silent lambs who were and still are persecuted for being a survivor. What would the elders prefer? Us to shrivel up, discontinue to function and die, so that their problems fixed. Who cares about the image. We're imperfect, there will always be a scandal. But not like this, it should have never been like this. The children are the future. And the futures looking bleak. Most of us are pretty screwed up. Especially my generation. I'm 24, feel like 84. Ok, I'm done rambling. I just hope anyone reading this can reach out and rely on Jehovah, someone who won't fail you, he is not an imperfect human after all. And I cling to the hope that he's going to wipe out every tear from my eye. Ah, the relief! Thanx for listening. Ramona.

Remote User:

Date: 23 Jan 2002

Time: 17:33:02

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Oh, btw, I forgot, the self-involved chick that I am! This site is great. Finally we may get the change of policy we need. I had no idea it was so rampant in the society, always felt I was the only one. My true brothers and sisters are all the survivors and thrivers out there of the monsters of religion! In all religions, it's inescapable. But remember, Blame the organization, not God!!!!! Ramona.

Remote User:

Date: 23 Jan 2002

Time: 17:43:05

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Oh, btw, I forgot, the self-involved chick that I am! This site is great. Finally we may get the change of policy we need. I had no idea it was so rampant in the society, always felt I was the only one. My true brothers and sisters are all the survivors and thrivers out there of the monsters of religion! In all religions, it's inescapable. But remember, Blame the organization, not God!!!!! Ramona.

Remote User:

Date: 23 Jan 2002

Time: 22:29:34

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My heart goes out to all of you who have endured the horrendous experiences related here. All of you who are speaking out and those still silent are in my prayers. Please remember that God loves you and has nothing to do with your shabby treatment by those who claim to represent 'God's organization'.

The True God will avenge you and bring this 'organization' into account for aiding and abetting these criminals.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man is destined to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will recompense each one according to his behavior.

I pray you have peace. Lea

Remote User:

Date: 24 Jan 2002

Time: 01:21:36

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I am so sorry for what has happened to all of you. ER I have followed your case because I believe you attended the high school where I worked. YOU must speak out! All children must be protected! These people are really sick. I cannot believe they want you to keep quiet. GOD is with you and GOD bless each and every one of you.

Remote User:

Date: 24 Jan 2002

Time: 14:14:35

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I just sort of wandered in out of curiosity, this is a very disturbing site. It sounds like the JW organization is in dire need of a thorough house-cleansing, keep up the good fight! Patrick

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 00:01:41

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This is a guest book test 1-24-02

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 00:56:18

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Bill. . . I guess having over 27 thousand people view your site, must mean, that there is so much truth in the fact that there were/and are sexual predators within the kingdom hall walls. We respect you so much for coming to the aid of victims and survivors of abuse and for proving to everyone that you are truly a shepherd. . Thank you so much for validating our feelings and giving us a place to feel free to express them without being judged. J. K. (co-survivor) Queens,NY

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 01:46:14

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As someone who deals daily with child abuse victims and their families, I am heartbroken to read your stories. I find it so admirable that you are making changes so that children can be safe in life, to practice their religion, and not believe that they have to grow in fear. Thank you for being brave enough to go against "what is expected" and speak out for these small people. It is people like you, that can truly make the world a better, safer place for our children. Take care and please let me know if I can ever help in any way, Colleen Pacheco, Director, www. soc-um. org, friend7192@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 09:17:59

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I do believe that child abuse and molestation occurs and that thought makes me absolutely sick to my stomach but how could anyone (except Catholics) protect these molesters? I think everyone needs a good education about molestation. Jehovah's Witnesses are the most docile people in the world. I do not believe they knowingly protect child molesters. They share the American way of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 13:05:17

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To be honest, this abuse was on a grander scale than I ever thought it would be. It's amazing to me that it goes on and yet the members higher up the ladder, can find justification for it. My heart goes out to all the victims. I'm hoping you will all find some sort of peace within yourselves and be able to move on and up in the world.

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 20:20:29

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Having been raised a JW & having seen firsthand that it is a precedent, not an anomaly, of the wbts to cover up child abuse, I salute your bravery & conviction. It is an abomination to allow these people in, especially w/ the recidivism rate of sex offenders being in the 95% range. 95%!!! Even when castrated a treatment too good for these monsters) The rate is 60%, a margin still far too high! If they really wanted to put it in "Jehovah's hands" they would follow the federal Mondale statute of 1974 & turn these animals in. But, they put there own "wisdom" above the welfare of children, making them accessories to the abomination of child molestation, & a society that doesn't protect children is destined to fall, & CANNOT be GOD's organization on earth as they rape & allow to be raped, their own children.

Remote User:

Date: 25 Jan 2002

Time: 20:25:10

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The previous post was written by Sam avishai@hotmail. com feel free to contact me.

Remote User:

Date: 27 Jan 2002

Time: 18:47:15

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Your web site is propaganda at its worst. How would you feel if people put an advertisement in your local newspaper: "Have your children been molested by William Bowen?" That is what you are doing when you suggest placing ads that state "Is a pedophile knocking at your door?" It is merely innuendo, designed to associate Jehovah's Witnesses with the worst and most despicable elements of society.

If the situation in the JW organization is really the way you describe it, then why are you advertising it to pedophiles everywhere? All they have to do now, according to your web page, is start attending meetings at the Kingdom Hall or go to a convention of Jehovah's Witnesses. Pedophiles everywhere will be thanking you for the brilliant tip-off! Hope you're proud of yourself!

It's obvious that either you are not very intelligent or your web site is a blatant attempt to persecute and harass the members of the Jehovah's Witness faith.

If you were really concerned about the children, your web site would be devoted to helping children throughout the country who are at risk of sexual molestation, not just to a minority that amounts to less than half of one percent of the population.

Don't forget, God knows the truth, and no amount of clever wording or insinuation will deceive him.

Remote User:

Date: 28 Jan 2002

Time: 13:52:41

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I have some comments to make as to the last entry. First of all, Bill is NOT trying to advertise to Pedophiles that the organization is where they need to head to. What Bill IS trying to do is to EXPOSE the organization AND the pedophiles, further enabling all of us to protect innocent victims and giving survivors a place to come to. . . for friendship, for understanding, for support. . . something the organization should be doing, and IF they have, they have done it rather poorly. Bill SHOULD be proud of himself. . . for taking the BIG step towards helping survivors and potential victim. . . to come forward, to tell their story, to help the healing process to finally begin! What Bill did took great courage, not to mention great faith in God. IF he still belonged to the organization, I believe he would be and probably was an exemplary Elder, one of the few, obviously. And it is my firm belief that what he is doing will be rewarded in Heaven. We will all get our rewards, whether good or bad, at Jesus' second coming, visibly, NOT invisibly as the organization so cunningly teaches those poor little sheep who have no conception of what the TRUTH really is. And I believe that Bill will get a wonderful crown for speaking out and protecting Gods little sheep! But I have to hand it to you, you are right in your last statement. . . God knows the truth, and no amount of clever wording or insinuations will deceive Him. The bible clearly tells us that the TRUTH shall set us free. And that "by their works, you will know them. " The organization is caught, and have done much to protect their financial empire . . . recently breaking off into 4 separate organizations. . . they can run, but they cannot hide. No mountain in the world is big enough or deep enough for them to hide. God knows our hears and our minds. winrock2@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 01:30:32

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I am not a Jehovah's witness, nor was I ever a member of your congregation.

However, I just wanted to let you know I think this work is blessed. Good luck in helping the victims achieve justice and support.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 02:49:08

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" This case is simply about making Jehovah’s Witnesses understand they have the same rules as everyone else. . . "

About time, use this to force across the board changes, allow blood transfusions, organ transplants, holidays, in vitro fertilization, and the conformity to the usual things like a singular ordained minister, divorce, etc. They can probably maintain the prohibition on cigarettes since that's just PC now anyway. Creating a legal precedent should mean an end to many other things within these closed societies and make them more mainstream in accordance with modern societal opinions of what's acceptable and what's not. Perhaps you can soon sue for libel and slander if disfellowshipped for a reason not illegal in the state it happens in.

But also, if you or others feel trapped by your past and your faith cannot bring you through it, perhaps it's time to look for an alternative belief system.

Of course this sort of institutional condoning-through-silence or blame-the-victim isn't acceptable, not for the WTS, the LDS church, or the Roman Catholics, all (considering this site) who have been accused of this sort of backwards thinking. Just be sure the end result and ramifications are what you intend, or you can probably get money from some Protestant ministries to help with the legal bills if the goal's to get rid of the WTS. Some churches have legal funds and spend as much time in courts as anything else.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 03:20:24

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I love your website! And I want to help your cause. I live in an apartment complex that "Witnesses" leave literature in the laundry rooms. There are about 20 sets of washers and dryers in this place! Anyway if you would like I would be glad to leave some of YOUR literature in the very same place that they are leaving THERE'S.

But please let me tell you my story. I grew up attending, and only merely attending, a Mormon church with my mother and sisters, so I can sympathize with you. Both are religious cults of a very similar nature. And as I am not impressed with religion at all because I am an Atheist, the Jehovah Witnesses are of particular interest to me because my mother was one before she joined the Mormons. Of course, the Catholics are having similar problems with covering up their own molestations (religious groups have been responsible for it for years) and its high time someone try and stop them! So if you would like me to help in this way I would be happy to. If you need some other assistance, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Mike Thomas.

PS I'm going to see if I can find the equivalent of your site vis-a-vis Mormons.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 03:34:06

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I have been following this and a couple other "Watchtower" news sights over the past several months. At this point I cannot speak for the individuals by name who have opened up to me in reporting (child) sexually abusive situations by their "brothers", but I am personally acquainted with at least 6 persons. The covering up of domestic violent and sexual assault issues of adult "Witnesses" are by far even more numerous that I am aware of, self included. Be patient for more info from me. It takes time to come out in the open. We need to balance loyalties and many of the victims that I know are still in need of encouragement to do so. I'm from the New England area, USA and I'm sure the victims that I am having personal dealings with have not addressed such yet through your website or any other. I do know though that they have all tried to reach out to the authorities in their congregations, often with negative results.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 03:35:14

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I have been following this and a couple other "Watchtower" news sights over the past several months. At this point I cannot speak for the individuals by name who have opened up to me in reporting (child) sexually abusive situations by their "brothers", but I am personally acquainted with at least 6 persons. The covering up of domestic violent and sexual assault issues of adult "Witnesses" are by far even more numerous that I am aware of, self included. Be patient for more info from me. It takes time to come out in the open. We need to balance loyalties and many of the victims that I know are still in need of encouragement to do so. I'm from the New England area, USA and I'm sure the victims that I am having personal dealings with have not addressed such yet through your website or any other. I do know though that they have all tried to reach out to the authorities in their congregations, often with negative results.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 11:54:43

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There are child molesters (and its subsequent cover-up) in all walks of life, INCLUDING ex-Jehovah's Witnesses (JW), atheists, Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, carpenters, CEOs, Presidents, garbage collectors, business people, etc. Child molestation and its cover-up (as well as many other things) OBVIOUSLY are wrong, regardless of one's walk of life. It is just as wrong for an ex-JW to molest a child as it is for a JW. It would appear that the problem we are trying to solve here is not religious in nature.

It seems to me that the problem we are try to solve is really the reporting of child molestation early on and punishment of the perp, etc. Perhaps an awareness program like ones done on drunk driving (you know, innocent people being killed by a drunk driver--another horrible crime) could be done on TV and a school awareness program could be done like the "no drugs" one. There are many positive ways to get the information out to those being affected. It appears that an obscure web site on the 'Net is not the most effective way to get the message out. It serves its purpose, but if you really want to help people, seems like you would want to help as many as possible. Of course, putting an awareness program together will require a greater investment of time and money than a producing a web site does.

As mentioned above, the nature of the crime (inflicted on children who are too young to know where to turn) will never allow for a perfect solution in this "system of things" (eeewwww, JW phraseology, ohmigod, boo, hiss). Bottom line: this is just more proof that imperfect man cannot effectively rule himself and nobody can prevent CHILD MOLESTATION OR OTHER CRIMES from happening, no matter what walk of life.

I wonder if there's an ex-Baptist (etc) child molester web-site out there--doubt it, just an ex-JW one. Interesting.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 16:13:20

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For those that are interested in unbiased web sites on pedophiles, go to:

www. childlures. com/research/molester. asp. www. childhelpusa. org/ www. klaaskids. org/ www. saferchild. org/domestic. htm www. geocities. com/SouthBeach/2331/missing. html www. duhaime. org/childsex. htm

As is pointed out in the unbiased web sites above, pedophiles are commonly MALES (not Jehovah's Witnesses) and ALL pedophiles attempt to cover up their abuse no matter what walk of life they are from. I'm sure some pedophiles are even named Bill (but that doesn't necessary make you a pedophile, Bill, now does it).

Get a grip, and at least present the facts accurately and in an unbiased way--it really detracts from the message and makes your web site appear to be yet another "disgruntled ex-JW" apostate web site.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 19:13:51

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Some who post on this guest book seem to miss the point of the silentlambs website. This is the first support group for Jehovah's Witness victims of child molestation. That remains the basis of why this website was formed to begin with. If you offer a website for victims within a certain group then it would stand to reason you would also offer a solution to the problem. That is the purpose of the questions on the front page. Ask yourself those questions and wonder if any other religion has the same policy. When you find the answer it helps anyone to see adjustments need to be made within the JW community to better protect children. If I had been a catholic for forty years and I knew the internal dynamics of their molestation problems this would be a support group for Catholics. Instead I am a second generation JW and am trying to help protect the children within. I believe this website will help effect the needed adjustments in their behalf. The hundreds of stories and positive comments tend to drown out those who choose not to believe or try to say hundreds of people just made up these stories to make Jehovah's Witnesses look bad. Reality check, Jehovah's Witnesses make themselves look bad when they ignore crime and allow children to be hurt. They also bring reproach on the name of the God whose name they have taken upon themselves to represent. Instead of being angry with me or what my website says, why is there no anger for those who through the use of WT policy protect pedophiles and silence damaged children. If a little of that anger could go in that direction it would certainly serve a better purpose. I encourage all who read this to call the Watchtower organization and demand their policy be adjusted in the interests of children. Three things should be accomplished: 1. If a jw child is molested the parents have the right to call the police first. 2. No pedophile should ever be allowed responsibility in the congregation. 3. No molesters should be allowed to go in the door to door ministry. Their telephone number is 718-560-5600. Call them as I have and respectfully let them know you know about the problem and wish them to change. The child you protect might be your own.

silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 19:54:43

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I just found this site and am filled with so many emotions that I cant begin to sort. I didn't even know that this was here. kellimccain@msn. com

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 21:01:23

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I'm glad I found this web site . there been ladies from the jw visiting my wife while I was at work . I found out they been doing this for the past year. i was totally shock when I stay home one day and they show up at my door. they told me who they was and after hearing the perverted ways they have I ask them to leave and never come back. but I know they sneak over when I'm not at home and I need advice what can I do . I don't want my wife talking to these perverts.

Remote User:

Date: 29 Jan 2002

Time: 21:02:12

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droopy350@yahoo. com

Remote User:

Date: 30 Jan 2002

Time: 16:33:03

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very impressive, there are many forms of abuse within the JW org. , and although this is catered towards sexual abuse, being abused in other ways in the past (I am now an ex-jw), I am able to draw encouragement through this site. I am currently residing in Toronto, Canada. . . please feel free to email me. . .

Remote User:

Date: 30 Jan 2002

Time: 16:37:11

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by the way, my email is michelle@ecmail. ca, I just left the comment regarding different forms of abuse.

Remote User:

Date: 30 Jan 2002

Time: 19:13:24

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Dear Silentlambs:

In reference to your "three things" above:

Your statement in #1 goes without saying. First of all, who is going to stop anybody from calling the police about anything. One, (JW or not), can do whatever one wants whenever they want. If my child was being molested by a "brother" or anybody else for that matter, I would call the police and notify the elders, not necessarily in that order. You make it sound like JWs are being prevented from calling the police when that is an UNTRUE statement. Who would prevent them? I don't have elders shackled to me to make sure that I do or don't do whatever, nobody else does either. I would imagine that there are passive, little "doormat" women in every organization, religious or otherwise, who can't make a responsible decision on their own about how to handle their child being molested by a husband or somebody else. You've got women who allow it to happen and they know about it and they don't report it--stupid doormat women who live in fear and are afraid to take the bull by the horns for whatever reason, real or imagined. They exist everywhere, not just within one religion. If a crime is being committed, why wouldn't the person go directly to police regarding the crime and go to the elders for spiritual help in coping with the atrocity. Elders are not police. Victims and their parents are free to seek help from police or therapists and should not blame the church if they choose not to do so. What MORON would not report abuse of THEIR CHILD to the police. If anyone thinks that the ELDERS are police, they are wrong, they are spiritual counselors and they have many other spiritual responsibilities as well! Parents are encouraged to do whatever they need to do to protect their child. They haven't committed a sin by turning in a Jehovah's Witness to the authorities.

#2 is obvious. Yes, no practicing pedophile, homosexual, murderer, liar, spouse abuser, drunk, adulterer, etc. should be allowed privileges in a religious organization. That should be the case in ALL religions who uphold God's word! But is it? I doubt it. I would imagine that ALL religions have secret sinners of this sort in positions of responsibility--probably up to and including the "reverend". Is it right--NO! Does it happen? Probably. Will there ever be a way, in this system of things, to prevent it from happening--NO!!! Only God's kingdom can do away with all of the imperfections of this system of things. Think about it, what were God's chosen people doing, while Moses was on the mountain taking down the commandments from God? Look it up in the Bible if you don't know. If God's chosen people had serious problems when they reported directly to Jehovah, what makes you think that JWs or any other religion would not have problems. It's called living in the last days, 2 Tim 3:1-5. It's an imperfect world and there's no way to fix everything without God's kingdom, especially when you have perverts like Satan running around like a lion seeking to devour someone.

Do JW elders ever screw up? Of course, once in a while, in a small minority cases, elders screw up. Who ever said elders are perfect all the time. They are no more perfect that you are, Bill. Obviously, they are striving to set a good example but are they all-knowing, making right decisions at all times? Not possible. I don't know anybody who can claim that, not even you, Bill. I'm sure you've made some bad decisions in your life that in hindsight you regret. We all have.

You state that no molesters should be allowed to go in the door to door ministry. To my knowledge, privileges such as going door-to-door, etc. , would be removed from such ones. All of the "body of elder" letters you posted on your site attest to this fact.

Not only that, but as everyone knows, JWs go door to door with at least one other person, nobody goes to the door alone. And how is somebody going to molest a child on a doorstep anyway?

As far as the elders in a religious organization reporting something told to them in confidence, I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this:

"The mere fact that one individual knows that a third party is or could be dangerous to others does not make that individual responsible for controlling the third party," the Supreme Judicial Court ruled. "There is no duty to announce to people that 'John Brown' is a child abuser. " If the court had ruled otherwise, it "would basically discourage people from going to their ministers and getting help. " If people could not count on confidentiality when they go and confess to a Catholic priest, there's going be quite a chilling effect on religion.

ALL victims need help, Bill, not that you will ever be able to do that all by yourself. Unfortunately, you come across as having a vendetta against JWs, instead of coming across as wanting to help children.

Wait a minute, that's it, I get it now--under the guise of wanting to help children, you really do have a vendetta against Jehovah's Witnesses. And what better forum than the Internet to exhibit your wares, where this kind of propaganda thrives. The press loves nothing more than to report something bad about Jehovah's Witnesses--you obviously used this to your advantage.

Information can be slanted any which way to suit the one delivering the information--the media does it all the time. Smart ones do their research, however, to find out if what they are being told is REALLY true. The truth is out there but certainly not with silentlambs. This is a classic example of a disgruntled JW slanting the truth because he has a bone to pick supposedly about JWs covering up child molestation. (Isn't a Catholic child molester just as bad? Of course, we are all VERY familiar with the child molestation cover up by the Catholic church, among other things. ) http://www. courttv. com/news/2002/0124/priest_ap. html http://www. courttv. com/trials/geoghan/background_ctv. html

So you had a bad experience, big deal. Injustice prevails. Is injustice pleasant--no! Does it exist--obviously! Has everyone experienced it in one form or another--yes! The questions is: Are you a victim or a survivor? I consider myself to be a survivor. Since I have survived I have chosen not dwell on the injustice forever. What purpose does that serve--it only feeds self-pity and wanting pity from others--there's more to life than that. Of course, I realize that there are a few people who thrive on wallowing in self-pity for the attention is garners. For me personally, I simply look forward to the day when all injustices will be done away with.

Remote User:

Date: 30 Jan 2002

Time: 20:55:26

Comments:

I don't know who you are. . . you didn't bother to leave a name. . . you must be so proud. . . you must be a JW, and if you are, you really shouldn't be visiting an 'apostate' website anyway! You know, you hit the nail right on the head with your statement: Information can be slanted any which way to suit the one delivering the message. . . you should know. . . the JW's are PRO'S at it! And you are right. . . the smart ones do their research, which Bill did, obviously. . . having been in the organization 43 years, and an elder. . . he certainly has some insight. . . and insight into the secrecy and deliberate cover-ups that have been taking place for many years. This is why he chose to speak out and protect the innocent. Don't you think its about time somebody did? He was an elder in good standing. He had nothing to be disgruntled about, except the lack of protection for young children. You see, he has an "insiders" view, which you don't. So you are only speaking from opinion, NOT fact. And again, "the smart ones do their research, to find out if what they are being told is really true". . . again, the sad fact that you are unaware of or refuse to see is that JW's are NOT allowed to read anything written by an apostate. Well if you did your research, you would find that most all the EX JW's who have found the courage to "jump ship" and write about the lies the watchtower tells their brainwashed followers, you would see for yourself, through research, all apostates CAN'T be wrong. Do yourself a favor, pick up "Crisis of Conscience" by Ray Franz. . . you want to search the truth. . . go to someone who was in the SECRET governing body of the organization. See physical proof of what goes on behind closed doors! Until you have been there, until you have been a victim, and maybe you have, then deep down you know the truth, you just choose to see if from a very narrow minded side. Bill has a lot of support, and I am sure he doesn't need me to jump to his defense, he seems to hold his own there. But he is to be admired, respected, appreciated and loved for what he is doing. And I know that he had to search his heart and soul to make the choice he did to help support and protect the children. And I know that he is doing this with God as his Heavenly Father and advisor. . . and what better place to get advice and encouragement than from the Father, Himself. With God as his biggest supporter, he can do nothing but succeed in his endeavor in helping the little lambs. . . let's hear it for Bill, let's hear it for the lambs! winrock2@aol. com

Remote User:

Date: 31 Jan 2002

Time: 06:40:09

Comments:

The "two witnesses" principle is biblical. The Elders and Governing Body cannot pick and choose which principles to apply and which ones to skip. The principle also protects those who are accused but are innocent. The same thing goes on in courtrooms. I don't think they or courts can rightly be accused of protecting child molesters if there are not enough witnesses or evidence - even if the person IS guilty. Courtroom judges often know a person is guilty as sin but sometimes by law cannot find that person legally guilty due to the lack of witnesses and/or evidence. The same is true using biblical law and the elders are bound to it.

The "two witnesses" principle is Jehovah's principle and is there for very good reason. Courts also demand evidence that is more than one person's word against the other - oftentimes before a hearing is ever held.

However, I don't believe the "two witnesses" need to witness the same event - just the same behavior. For example, if I were a repentant adulterer, I may not be disfellowshipped the first time, but what if I did it again? Would it make a difference if I argued that the new case should be considered without reference to the first just because it was with a different woman? Ludicrous! In fact, the second adultery is proof that the person wasn't truly repentant after the first time and the person will almost assuredly be DF'd because of the added proof ("witness". )

Also, I believe that evidence can be the second "witness. " Admittedly, evidence is hard to come by years after the fact. But if the event just happened then by all means report it to the police and get a medical exam to gather that evidence. A crime has occurred!

Although individual elders may sometimes ask that the police not get involved (in single "witness" cases) due to their own desire "to protect Jehovah's name," I don't believe that is the official policy in cases where gross sin has allegedly occurred that also breaks the law of the land (Murder, Rape, Sexual Abuse against Children, and other crimes against society. ) The fact is that if these crimes took place then Jehovah's name has already been reproached - reporting it to the civil authorities does not add more reproach but will eventually have the opposite effect.

My wife was sexually abused as a child and I see the tremendous suffering that she endures and how it has even affected my life and our children's lives as a result. If anyone reading this or their family has suffered similarly then my heart goes out to you - I can understand some of your feelings. It is evil and those doing it should and in fact will be punished for it as Jeremiah 30:11 says "to the proper degree. " Jehovah doesn't need "two witnesses" since he knows all things. The bible says at Malachi 3:5 that Jehovah will be become a "speedy witness. . . against those swearing falsely. " This applies to the child abuser as well as anyone wrongly covering up for the abuser.

I am not an elder nor do I think that is relevant. Right is right and exposing the truth can only be a good thing. However, let us make sure we really do speak truth. The Bible says 'God's word is truth though every man be found a liar. ' So He is the final authority. I can trust that He'll resolve all issues and set all matters straight. I hope you can too. Of course, that does not rule out doing what we can to resolve issues on our own.

Remote User:

Date: 31 Jan 2002

Time: 11:04:09

Comments:

Little do the general public know of the sacrifice and courage it takes to stand alone for what you know is right. Stand alone, that sums it up because those loyal to this cult will turn on you even though they know you are right. It disrupts the faith, the dream and casts a nagging doubt on the earthly god (the Organization) they look up to for salvation into the "new world". I am done with it! Good work, you have my support.

Remote User:

Date: 31 Jan 2002

Time: 11:56:20

Comments:

I have a real problem with these people always wanting NOT to bring reproach upon YHWH. What do they think they are doing by letting these young ones suffer for years, in some cases hating YHWH for allowing one of His supposed leaders to hurt them. And what do they think they are doing when the truth finally comes out? Can't they even begin to comprehend that YHWH would be more upset at what is taking place and nobody is doing anything about it? I am really tired of hearing or reading about the reproach upon YHWH! HE knows what is going on, as do the accused. And YHWY says that our sins will find us out. So please, stop trying to hide what is going on, using the excuse that it will bring reproach upon YHWY, you aren't brining reproach upon Him. You are bringing reproach upon a "dirty" organization that makes a false claim that they are HIS organization. If it were HIS organization, he would never have allowed this to go on. He would have separated the sheep from the goats. But Satan has a lot of power, and that power is used exclusively in the Watchtower Cult.

Remote User:

Date: 31 Jan 2002

Time: 14:33:32

Comments:

1. Report matter to the police first. What does the Watchtower say? Note the 97 WT on direction for reporting what is bad:

w97 8/15 26-30 Why Report What Is Bad? Appreciating the Value of Reproof Among Jehovah’s people, however, there is a different attitude toward reproof. Godly men and women deeply appreciate the arrangement Jehovah has made to help erring ones inside the Christian congregation. They recognize such discipline as an expression of his loving-kindness. —Hebrews 12:6-11.

What is that arrangement? Is it going to the police when a crime is committed?

In our day too, Jehovah’s servants can become involved in serious wrongdoing, even those who have been faithful for many years. Recognizing that the elders can assist, most take the initiative to approach them for help. (James 5:13-16) But sometimes a wrongdoer may try to cover up his sin, as did King David. What should we do if we come to know about serious wrongdoing in the congregation?

Whose Responsibility Is It?

When elders learn about serious wrongdoing, they approach the individual involved to give needed help and correction. It is the elders’ responsibility to judge such ones inside the Christian congregation. Keeping a close watch on its spiritual condition, they assist and admonish anyone who is taking an unwise or wrong step. —1 Corinthians 5:12, 13; 2 Timothy 4:2; 1 Peter 5:1, 2.

So does this just apply to slander of moral crimes committed by adults that break bible law? Notice the scripture used to define wrongdoing.


But what if you are not an elder and you come to know about some serious wrongdoing on the part of another Christian? Guidelines are found in the Law that Jehovah gave to the nation of Israel. The Law stated that if a person was a witness to apostate acts, sedition, murder, or certain other serious crimes, it was his responsibility to report it and to testify to what he knew. Leviticus 5:1 states: “Now in case a soul sins in that he has heard public cursing and he is a witness or he has seen it or has come to know of it, if he does not report it, then he must answer for his error. ”—Compare Deuteronomy 13:6-8; Esther 6:2; Proverbs 29:24.

Though not under the Mosaic Law, Christians today can be guided by the principles behind it. (Psalm 19:7, 8) So if you learn about the serious wrongdoing of a fellow Christian, what should you do?

Where are we given the right here to call the police? Not one word offered. So who do you go to? See below.

Handling the Matter First of all, it is important that there is valid reason to believe that serious wrongdoing has really occurred. “Do not become a witness against your fellowman without grounds,” stated the wise man. “Then you would have to be foolish with your lips. ”—Proverbs 24:28.

You may decide to go directly to the elders. It is not wrong to do so. Usually, however, the most loving course is to approach the person involved. Perhaps the facts are not as they appear to be. Or perhaps the situation is already being handled by the elders. Calmly discuss the matter with the person. If there remains reason to believe that a serious wrong has been committed, encourage him or her to approach the elders for help, and explain the wisdom of doing so. Do not talk to others about the matter, for that would be gossip. If the person does not report to the elders within a reasonable period of time, then you should. One or two elders will then discuss the matter with the accused. The elders need to “search and investigate and inquire thoroughly” to see if wrong has been done. If it has, they will handle the case according to Scriptural guidelines. —Deuteronomy 13:12-14.

Who investigates the crime first? THE ELDERS! Yet still no mention of going to the police. Then if there are only one witness what do you have to do? Report it to police then? See Below.

At least two witnesses are required to establish a charge of wrongdoing. (John 8:17; Hebrews 10:28) If the person denies the charge and your testimony is the only one, the matter will be left in Jehovah’s hands. (1 Timothy 5:19, 24, 25) This is done in the knowledge that all things are “openly exposed” to Jehovah and that if the person is guilty, eventually his sins will “catch up” with him. —Hebrews 4:13; Numbers 32:23.

There you have it the basis of discouraging victims to go to the police. They are clearly instructed to leave it in Jehovah’s hands. That means do nothing. Can you warn any other parents whose children may be in harms way? See Below.


But suppose the person does deny the charge and you are the only witness against him. Could you now be open to a countercharge of slander? No, not unless you have gossiped to those not involved in the matter. It is not slanderous to report conditions affecting a congregation to those having authority and responsibility to oversee and correct matters. It is, in fact, in line with our desire always to do what is correct and loyal. —Compare Luke 1:74, 75.

So if you gossip and tell others about your child being molested you could be charged with slander and expelled from the congregation. What is the reason why? See Below.


Maintaining Holiness in the Congregation One reason for reporting wrongdoing is that it works to preserve the cleanness of the congregation. Jehovah is a clean God, a holy God. He requires all those who worship him to be spiritually and morally clean. His inspired Word admonishes: “As obedient children, quit being fashioned according to the desires you formerly had in your ignorance, but, in accord with the Holy One who called you, do you also become holy yourselves in all your conduct, because it is written: ‘You must be holy, because I am holy. ’” (1 Peter 1:14-16) Individuals who practice uncleanness or wrongdoing can bring defilement and Jehovah’s disfavor upon an entire congregation unless action is taken to correct or remove them. —Compare Joshua, chapter 7.

The congregation does their own dirty laundry and keeps outsiders uninformed. This is the basis of how the congregation operates. Jehovah’s Witnesses are NOT free to go to the police. They are required to OBEY the direction of the elders. If they do not they are disfellowshipped. Thus Watchtower Policy requires a child molestation victim to go to the ELDERS FIRST and this is the error of WT policy.

2. A pedophile should never hold a position of responsibility within the congregation.

The 1-1-97 Watchtower seemed to indicate this would be the policy for Jehovah’s Witnesses, yet in just three short months a letter was sent (along with more to follow) to Bodies of Elders that changed that policy. The 97 letter stated:

“It may be possible that some who were guilty of child molestation were or are now serving as elders, ministerial servants, or regular or special pioneers. Others may have been guilty of child molestation before they were baptized. The bodies of elders should not query individuals. ”

This statement made provision for pedophile to continue to serve. That was further collaborated by the 6-1-01 letter to Bodies of Elders in England which states:

“There is one exception to the above direction: The elders may have written to the branch office and given full details about a former child abuser who is currently serving as an elder or ministerial servant. In such a case, if the branch office has decided that he can be appointed or continue serving in a position of trust because the sin occurred many years ago and because he has lived an exemplary life since then, his name should not appear on the List, nor is it necessary to pass on information about the brother’s past sin if he moves to another congregation unless contrary instructions have been given by the branch. ”


Child Molesters are clearly given positions of responsibility within the congregation at the direction of WT Policy. Time passing should be no factor for a pedophile.


3. Child molesters should never be allowed to participate in the door to door ministry.

Is this WT policy? Please note the 1-1-97 Watchtower which initially established molester policy. What would a child molester who is newly released from prison be required to do to show his repentance? See Below.


w97 1/1 29 Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked ”Depending on the law of the land where he lives, the molester may well have to serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State…’If he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service. . ”

A newly released child molester is required by WT Policy to call at the homes of the unknowing public. THAT IS WT POLICY!

This information shows without doubt something is terribly wrong in this matter. This “Policy” presents a danger to children within the organization as well as those who are met in the door to door work. If the Governing Body really wishes to be a “faithful slave” they should move at ONCE to correct this mistake and protect the children.

silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 31 Jan 2002

Time: 15:43:48

Comments:

Thanks for such a terrific web-site. It must be a source of great solace for the victims to be able to communicate through your site. I would very much appreciate if you could keep us all posted as to when a possible DATELINE story may take place. thanks again F. Webster Vancouver, Canada

Remote User:

Date: 31 Jan 2002

Time: 16:47:45

Comments:

Hey Dad. . . . . . . . . . . look where I am! Are you scared? you hid behind Moms god for a long time. . . and now what! (if he could only hear this for real. . . . I know he's feeling it though. ) Thanks for the stage. baaaa no BAAAAAAAA ~wendy Emanuel- yeh like the circuit overseer! why2kyourmom@hotmail. com

Remote User:

Date: 01 Feb. 2002

Time: 03:05:18

Comments:

wouldn't you know it. There's always someone who desires to make a smart remark and not want a rebuttal by leaving no calling card. You say you value truth. Here is a simple Truth for you. Jesus said in the "Holy Word", I am the Way, Truth and the Life, and ONLY way to the Father. Now comes the WTBTS saying They are the ONLY channel of communication to God. Who do you believe, The Holy Word of God, or the WTBTS????????

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