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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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04:24:29
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I personally was abused by Bill. Which makes me wonder why he is on this crusade. Perhaps, it to cover his own inadequacies. Maybe it's to make it seem like he was never guilty of abuse or that he should turn himself in to the authorities. The abuse cannot truly be defined as sexual molestation but to some it could it was abuse never-the-less. There are others I know who Bill has gotten disfellowshipped and thus ruined their lives too. There was advice he gave that prevented me from getting the necessary education I would need to succeed financially. Also he went along with the attitude of why should I pursue anything in this system of things when it was coming to an end anyway or why have children in the wicked system. If you think I'm lying go ahead and ask him if he ever committed adultery in his heart. Ask him if he thinks he ever ruined anyone's life because he was responsible for disfellowshipping them resulting even in threatening other family members of disfellowshipping if they even said hello to them. Be careful of him, he is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing and a hypocrite himself.

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01 Sep 2002
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07:29:54
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01 Sep 2002
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10:35:38
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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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10:46:38
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To: LR - Barcelona, Spain You say these lambs are "subtly" branded as demonized. My experience was not subtle. I could not be disfellowshipped, as I was never baptized, so instead I was 'disassociated' and anyone seen talking to me was informed that I was demonized. All because I spoke out about what happened to me and refused to take the blame for being abused. I am still branded as demonized, decades later. I have learned to 'wear the brand' with pride. I know that God is with me and loves me. The hateful god who is blindly followed by JW's is not the true God found in scripture. CJV - Ontario, Canada

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
10:49:24
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To the person who said he was 'abused' by Bill. If what you say is true, it is an example of how controlled we are by the WTS. As an elder, he would have to support what the WTS mandated or 'strongly suggested."=== We all know how the WTS feels about higher education. When I was 53, I went back to school as I was divorced and having a hard time supporting myself. Even at my age, remarks were made about me returning to school.===Bottom Line all of this is JUDGEMENTAL.== Usually it takes something dramatic to 'wake JW's up' to the mind control, etc. The child abuse did it for me ...however most JW's I know just won't believe it. Their lives are too encompassed by the WTS and their minds are so controlled and conditioned that they just will not allow themselves to believe it. How can elders who have children accept the WTS policy of protecting molesters? MIND CONTROL!! In fact, HIGH MIND CONTROL. How can we as parents become aware of molestation (our own child or someone else's) and not even think of going to the authorities? MIND CONTROL! I know because I did it. I knew of a young girl being molested by her father and I went to the elders. When they told me that he denied it and I was to not talk about it to anyone or I could be guilty of slander, I shut up. When I look back at it (10 yrs ago) I can not believe I did that. So whatever Bill did as an elder;disfellowshipping, bad advice, etc. was done as a good follower of the WTS. And if you followed his advice, you were doing what you were supposed to be doing as a JW. It took an issue like child abuse to open his eyes, take the blinders off, and examine the WTS policies.=== I hope you have found happiness and peace in your life now. === The above is my opinion about the situation ...I don't even know Bill but I have been a JW for almost 35 yrs. so I think I am qualified to speak on how most JW's think...for the most part they don't...at least about the WTS. jazbug55

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
11:47:11
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If Bill abused you personally why don't you sue him? You won't because you are a liar You have no moral or ethical principles.NO JW does! You are nameless. You are a typical JW a crook in the service of the WT Society. The bread you eat you do not deserve. You are in the service against God and so you are absolutely condemned! RMK

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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12:40:13
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slc when i said you will never find that article. i was referring to the one , about how the wt sends lawyers to court etc . to protect molesters send all the gag orders they put . after they pay money in cases the wt knows they would lose in A COURT OF LAW. CHRISTIAN LOVE JOHN

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
12:59:29
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To no name who accuses B. Bowen of sexual abuse, I may agree with one part of what you said, that he probably was involved in DF'ing people, but the fact is that when it came to the subject of child molestation he took a stand and was DF'd those are facts, the rest of your comments sound to me to be nothing more than Kingdom Hall ankle biting policy Your ability to shut people up to hide your unethical treatment of people does not fly,we are not morons like those you seek...NP

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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13:09:58
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01 Sep 2002
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13:18:07
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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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14:59:14
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Found this on JW.com and thought I would pass the idea on to you guys********************** Great Idea All Of Us Can Do - Easy too! Sep 1, 2002 14:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Every envelope you send out for now into next year for example put "silentlambs.org" and also "freeminds.org" somewhere on it. Edited by - nancee park on 1 September 2002 14:37:21 [ Profile Above ] Re: Great Idea All Of Us Can Do - Easy too! Sep 1, 2002 14:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or silentlambs.org and jehovahs-witness.com. Anyway, the idea is that putting this on the envelopes of letters we just happen to be mailing in to pay our monthly bills etc will cause more people to become aware of the Watchtower Society's abetting pedophilia to the harm of victims.******************************* Just a thought from one of the ones on the JW.com board and I thought it was a great idea.

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:00:52
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OOPS!!!!!!!!!!! Forgot to sign again<sigh> The idea from JW.com was submitted by me---Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx******************wasn't my idea just wanted to past it on. Love Jesika

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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15:26:25
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TORONTO, INDIANA, MICHIGAN ANYONE??? From SILENT LAMBS, 8-30-02: Joe and Barbara Anderson will be representing Silentlambs.org at the Victoria Boer sexual child abuse trial in Toronto, Canada that will begin on Sept. 9th. The Andersons need a place to stay for approximately one night in Toronto during the trial where Barbara will be called to testify against the Watchtower. In addition, if they could find a place to stay somewhere near Northern Indiana or Michigan, on the way from Tennessee to the trial, and a place to stay when they return, it would save Silentlambs motel costs. It takes approximately ten hours for them to drive to South Bend, Indiana, from where they live in Tennessee. They would like to spend their first night somewhere an hour or two closer than South Bend, maybe eight hours into the trip to Toronto. The Anderson's plan on entering Canada through Detroit. At this time, the date for Barbara to testify is unscheduled, but will most likely be during the second week in September, any day from the 13th on. She should know the exact date when the trial opens on Sept. 9th. Hoping to cut down on expenses, the Anderson's only want to stay in Toronto one night and then head back home. --- If anybody wants to contribute toward the Anderson's trip, please contact Silentlambs. Barbara's testimony in behalf of Joe and Barbara Anderson will be representing Silentlambs.org at the Victoria Boer sexual child abuse trial in Toronto, Canada that will begin on Sept. 9th. The Andersons need a place to stay for approximately one night in Toronto during the trial where Barbara will be called to testify against the Watchtower. In addition, if they could find a place to stay somewhere near Northern Indiana or Michigan, on the way from Tennessee to the trial, and a place to stay when they return, it would save Silentlambs motel costs. It takes approximately ten hours for them to drive to South Bend, Indiana, from where they live in Tennessee. They would like to spend their first night somewhere an hour or two closer than South Bend, maybe eight hours into the trip to Toronto. The Anderson's plan on entering Canada through Detroit. At this time, the date for Barbara to testify is unscheduled, but will most likely be during the second week in September, any day from the 13th on. She should know the exact date when the trial opens on Sept. 9th. Hoping to cut down on expenses, the Anderson's only want to stay in Toronto one night and then head back home. If anybody wants to contribute toward the Anderson's trip, please contact Silentlambs. Barbara's testimony in behalf of Vicki Boer should prove to be a "killer" and all interested parties should play close attention. --- silentlambs

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:32:35
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TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES TODAY, TORONTO!!! Here's' the First One. /SLC ----- The Toronto Sun --- http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/29n1.html September 1, 2002 --- Storm in the hall --- Jehovah's Witnesses deny secrecy in dealing with family sexual abusers --- By Brodie Fenlon -- Toronto Sun --- Jehovah's Witnesses vehemently condemn child abuse. But several victims from within the sect have gone public in recent months claiming that "monsters" are hiding behind the church's policy on handling child abuse. --- Critics say the policy favours secrecy and the redemption of the sinner at the expense of victims. --- The policy creates "a pedophile paradise," said Bill Bowen, of Kentucky, a former senior minister with the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society, who left in protest after 43 years. --- "There's a sly, devious evil that's happening ... and Witnesses are not even aware of it," said Bowen, who launched a victim support group in 2000 called Silent Lambs. --- Clive Thomas, spokesman for the Canadian church, said the accusations are unfair. While the church is concerned about the spiritual well-being of abusers, he said, "We care about children. We do not condone or take a soft view of child sexual abuse or any other abuse." --- Bowen said he's already heard from more than 5,000 victims of abuse since he set up his Web site (www.silentlambs.org/). --- The church keeps a database of all members accused of abuse at its world headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y. Bowen said church sources have told him the database holds more than 23,700 names from the U.S., Canada and Europe. The church admits the database exists, but won't give a specific tally, saying only that the number is much lower. --- Some of the victims' stories -- of betrayal and cover ups at the hands of church leaders -- have grabbed headlines in the U.S. and Britain. Bowen said the American church is facing seven lawsuits over the handling of claims of abuse. --- As The Toronto Sun has learned, the Canadian church is not immune to the growing scandal. --- A New Brunswick woman is scheduled to take the stand in a Toronto court next week in her lawsuit against the Canadian branch and two elders over allegations they concealed abuse she suffered when she approached them years later as an adult. The church denies the allegations. --- The Canadian church also keeps a database. Though Thomas wouldn't say how many are on it, he confirmed 12 abusers have been identified in Ontario in the last two years. --- In his book, Father's Touch, Donald D'Haene describes how he was repeatedly sodomized, fondled and abused in what his father called "a game." --- In 1973, a family member shared the secret with an elder in the family's Jehovah's Witness congregation in Alymer. Following church protocol, elders investigated and spoke to the D'Haene children. The questions they asked were "cold, blunt, and matter of fact," D'Haene, 41, recalls in the book. --- His father confessed. The elders announced to the congregation that he was "disfellowshipped," or excommunicated from the church, but no reason was given. D'Haene's mom was also publicly rebuked for failing to come to church leaders. --- No one called police or Children's Aid. --- Donald D'Haene went to police several years later. In 1982, his father was convicted of three counts of gross indecency for what the judge called "indescribably vile acts." --- "Religion doesn't create monsters," D'Haene said. "Monsters use religion." --- Winnipeg's Shirley Hardiman was 11 in 1963 when she says her mom's boyfriend sexually abused her. Her mom reported it to elders of their Montreal congregation. --- "They told my mother to keep it quiet, to send me away," she says. --- Hardiman spent the next five years in foster care until she was reunited with her mother at age 16. Her abuser, who died 10 years ago, was never reprimanded by the church, she said. --- "There's this really strong belief that you can not do or say anything that brings shame on the organization," said Hardiman, 50, who now works as an abuse counsellor. --- Times have changed. Church elders in Canada are required by law to report allegations of sexual abuse to authorities and were ordered by the church in 1988 to comply with the law. --- "We abhor the molestation of children," the church says in a press release. "It is not just a terrible sin but also a crime ... We do not protect any perpetrator of such repugnant acts." --- While secular authorities are notified of allegations, the abuse is also investigated internally by elders, who are considered administrators of God's law. --- Elders are required first to contact church headquarters in Georgetown, where a lawyer instructs them on how to handle the allegations. Two elders are then appointed to investigate. Family members, the victim and the accused are interviewed, sometimes together, and explicit detail is sought. --- If the accused denies the abuse happened, the charge is dropped unless another witness can corroborate the story. --- That rule is based on the Biblical book of Deuteronomy: "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin." --- In effect, the child's accusation is dismissed unless another person saw the abuse or another child comes forward with an allegation against the same church member. --- "We are bound by the scriptures," Thomas said. "But we would still report it to the authorities with only one witness" so the victim gets "the protection of the secular authorities." --- But abuse is seldom reported in jurisdictions where there is no mandatory reporting requirement, Bowen said. --- If the pedophile confesses the sin, he is punished, often by disfellowship. A permanent confidential record is kept by the elders and the Georgetown office is notified. But the congregation is never told of the crime -- only the punishment. --- Family members and the victim are also forbidden from talking about abuse to other congregation members. --- Disfellowship, or excommunication, involves being shunned by the community and family for at least a year. The shunned member is still expected to attend meetings. --- Should a pedophile move to another congregation, elders there are notified and records transferred. --- Thomas said elders must protect the privacy of an accused, especially if he has repented, but are instructed to carefully monitor him and prevent him from being alone with kids. --- Bowen, who was excommunicated last month after being found guilty of "causing divisions," decried the process, noting the cloak of secrecy allows pedophiles to go door to door "witnessing" without anyone but the elders in the know. The requirement of two witnesses is ridiculous in cases of sex abuse, he said. And though elders may be well-meaning, they aren't trained to question or handle victims, he said. --- JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES --- · A Christian sect with 6 million members (110,000 in Canada). --- · Founded in the 1870s as a Bible study group by Pastor Charles Taze Russell. --- · Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas or Easter. They believe Armageddon is imminent and that they will survive. --- · Witnesses believe taking blood into the body through the mouth or veins violates God's law, and thus they shun blood transfusions. --- · They will not swear allegiance to any organization or nation. As a result, Witnesses will not join the armed forces, sing the national anthem, vote in elections or run for public office.

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:35:49
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SECOND NEWSPAPER ARTICLE TODAY !!! - TORONTO!! /SLC ----- Toronto Sun --- http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/04n1.html --- September 1, 2002 --- Woman sues church --- Claims Jehovah's Witnesses hid sex abuse --- By BRODIE FENLON -- Toronto Sun --- A New Brunswick woman claims two Jehovah's Witness elders and the Canadian church hid the sexual abuse she says she suffered at the hands of her father. --- The woman, whose trial begins next Monday in Toronto, is suing the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Canada and two elders of her former congregation in Shelburne, just north of Orangeville, for $700,000. --- The church and elders Brian Cairns and Steve Brown deny any wrongdoing and plan to fight the action in court. --- The 31-year-old stay-at-home mom, whom The Sun won't name, says in her statement of claim that she was sexually abused by her father from age 11 to 14. The abuse was never reported. --- Years later, while working in Toronto as a live-in nanny, the woman claims she suffered from guilt and severe depression. --- She approached the elders in her Jehovah's Witness congregation, who turned for advice to church headquarters in Georgetown. --- INTERNAL HANDLING --- She says in her statement of claim that the main branch advised the case be dealt with internally by the Shelburne congregation and "advised the Toronto congregation three times not to report the abuse to the Children's Aid Society (CAS)." --- In her claim, the woman says that Cairns, Brown and the Watchtower Society: --- · Refused to report suspicions of child sex abuse to the CAS as required by Ontario law. --- · Conspired to hide or bury the charge internally. --- · Told the woman she didn't need psychiatric or psychological counselling as "God's way alone would be beneficial." --- · Forced the woman to confront her abuser and relive the abuse through repeated interrogation that caused her "permanent emotional injury." --- Church spokesman Clive Thomas said that while the church has sympathy for her case, the lawsuit is misdirected. --- "The elders were trying to provide her with spiritual help during a difficult time and the elders feel that she is basically biting the helping hand," he said. --- In their statement of defence, the defendants insist the elders "were instrumental in ensuring the matter was reported" to CAS by the father. No charges were ever laid. --- No one hindered the woman from seeking help from psychologists or psychiatrists, the statement of defence says. --- As well, the church argues the woman never sued her father, and never complained to the elders or church about how her case was handled until the lawsuit was filed in 1998. --- None of the allegations in either the claim or defence have been proven in court. --- 'READY TO FIGHT THEM' --- "I have so much anger ... that I'm ready to fight them until the end," the woman said in an interview with The Sun. --- "They don't realize the damage that they have done to people and to myself," she said. "I don't care if you want to be a Jehovah's Witness. All I'm saying is that the way they deal with child abuse is wrong and it has to be stopped."

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:37:52
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FREE ADVERTISING IDEA for Silent Lambs (Did Jesika post this yet???) ----- On every envelope you mail out (paying your bills or whatever), write on the envelope: www.silentlambs.org!!! ----- Piece of Cake! And gets the word out, too! Great idea, eh? /SLC

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:16:02
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PLEASE WRITE A THANK YOU to the Toronto Sun reporter who did the above two articles! THANKS! /SLC -- Here's his address: Mr. Fenlon: brodie.fenlon@tor.sunpub.com ------ http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/04n1.html [Woman Sues Church] ------- http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/29n1.html [Storm in the Hall]

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:17:45
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ANOTHER NEWSPAPER PRINTS THE ARTICLE! /SLC ----- The same story with a different title ("Woman sues church over sex-abuse stance. Claims conspiracy by Jehovah's Witnesses") also appears in the Ottawa Sun. http://www.canoe.ca/OttawaNews/19s1.html

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:19:49
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AND, AGAIN! A similar article was published in THE WINNIPEG SUN: "Woman sues church; claims abuse hidden" --- /SLC --- http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/09n2.html

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:25:37
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We can keep the SILENT LAMBS CAUSE & ISSUES in the public eye by following up with LETTERS to the EDITORS for the above newspapers. HERE'S AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU CAN SAY (copied from J-W.com)/ SLC ----- Thank them for the time and space they have given this issue, and amplify on the topic of pedophiles being free to engage in the house-to-house work. The public - their readership - has a right to know about this. It's this kind of education about the WTS that's going to cause a public outcry for politicians to take action. ----- So get some Letters to the Editor going!! The more we shout, the more we help every "silent lamb" heal.

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:27:16
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The Catholic Church is in the News again w 2 priests being charged with multiple counts of child molestation, Why is it there ahead of us, Aren't JW'S suppose to be better than The Catholics, We should be able to name at least 4 Elders who are covering up this horrible crime against human kind ,Lets get to work people. LOL polyfiber@yahoo.com

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
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16:51:16
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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
17:15:41
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To the person that claimed to be abused by Bill: We have recently been talking about Libel, which is very akin to what you said. Putting accusations in print that are not substantiated. I personally think that your just trying to muddy the waters. Bill was an Elder, obviously he never has claimed to be perfect. As an Elder he must have strongly believed in what he did in order to stay in that position so long. What happened is what we in society call an epiphany and epiphany is when you have a sudden "putting together of the jig-saw puzzle of life". At that time to continue after KNOWING is wrong, but Bill didn't he stepped down and has worked to call attention to the problem. Another way to think of it is to be say Pro-choice and after seeing your baby on the sonogram to have an "Epiphany" that moves you to change your perspective 180* from what it was. Bill has many to back him up and records to substantiate his crusade. If you feel wronged contact Bill, tell him how you feel. But I think thou protest to much. As for him commenting adultery in his heart I don't know of One PERSON I know that hasn't in that sense of the definition. I know if Sean Connery (actor) came driving up, I've already told my husband bewared I'm gone LOL So that is such a petty thing to accuse him of. You are I believe speaking of his abuse of power, well he wasn't the only elder now was he. At least Bill is trying to do what is right how are those other two or more handling the situation. Put life in perspective and yours before making such a damaging statement Peace, Sheila M

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
17:38:08
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Everyone... Print this information out and distribute this as much as you can, in grocery stores, community bulletin boards, libraries, on cars, etc. Help get the word out! >>>>Child Molesters are Knocking At Your Door The next time a Jehovah's Witness comes to your door you should be aware of the fact that many child molesters are encouraged by this religion to engage in door-to-door evangelizing. Be sure to look for the re-run of the Dateline NBC television show addressing this problem. It concerns the Jehovah's Witnesses and their ludicrous child molestation policy. It has also been publicized in a recent TIME Magazine article too. To learn more about the thousands of sexually abused children in the Jehovah's Witness religion go to: www.silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
18:10:28
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Great idea about the Flyer, and thanks. But when was Silent Lambs ever in TIME magazine? Not that I know of. If so, please let us know when that was, as I missed it. (FYI: SilentLambs WAS in Newsweek, but NOT Time). Thanks/SLC

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
18:24:05
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This site is great for people who wish to let the world know that child abuse seems to have been covered up, and individual witnesses penalized for informing the authorities of the criminal acts. But: If the governing body does a U turn, re-admits Bill bowen and reinstates an innocent man, as he has not broken any of Gods laws, only mans, and all the other witnesses who left because of it are reinstated, then what. Would all the people including Bill return to be active Jehovah's witnesses again, or have the people here lost their faith in the WT society completely. Does the other evidence now take over, and this site has turned into an ex witness social event. I lost my faith in the society, the individual witnesses, but now have my own beliefs and don't believe any religion serves god but that a few individuals find the truth, but stand alone, waiting. Having no faith in organized religion. I created my own site www.antijehovahswitness.com to reveal what i feel are the problems, lies and inaccuracies of a religion i thought was the truth, i know why i have my site. So what will this site turn or evolve into. I also created my site to reveal what i had learnt and where to look to find god again. I don't think if the child abuse situation gets sorted that people here will then be happy. I think not only have lots of people here been silent lambs, but you are also Lost Lambs having lost a religion and not found the substitute and answers you are looking for, so maybe there should be a sister site to this,for people who just want to air their grievances. What do you think any comments can be posted here or sent to my email address webmaster@antijehovahswitness.com thanks Bas.

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
20:47:48
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Hi Lambs: Wanted to check in with you all to let you know my love and prayers are with you in your healing process. I noticed the post here bashing BILL kinda reminds me of when JESUS was questioned. Trying to find fault,when, when none was there. To the TROLLS posting here you do have my sincere sympathy,there was a time when I was likewise brainwashed. The only thing that will help you see the real truth is JEHOVAH GOD. Only HE can open your eyes,if you want the TRUTH. Just to let you know, I have been in a lot of chat rooms, getting the word out especially, in the spiritual ones people are more willing to listen there. My love to you all,may GOD bless. Searchin50@aol.com

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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
22:34:26
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I guess I just need a place to let my feelings out. I usually go to JWD and post my feelings there, but I just feel this is the place to say a few things . I was raised JW and my father was an elder, he was abusive , many beatings, punishments, verbal abuse and mind games to lower my self esteem. My husband thinks that he may have done other forms of abuse that I have yet to admit to myself , but the profile is so clear I can't deny it. I still can't say the words, I have no clear memory , but I can say that something was very wrong in our home. My mother was addicted to prescription drugs and we had a strained relationship since I was a very little girl. I felt she was jealous of me and I tried to make her happy but she seemed to hate me. I often wonder now if she knew something about my dad's obsession with having complete power over my mind and actions. I can not ask her this now, she killed herself when I was 18. She was abused by my dad in a mental way, and abused by the JW organization. She was put in rehab for the drug abuse problem and they disfellowshipped her for smoking, and they never, never, tried to help her about the drugs. They swept it under the rug so dad could stay an elder. I speak the truth, I have no reason to hurt them , my parents, because they are both dead to me now, because of their own actions. I just wonder if Silentlambs has a support group for those who think of suicide because of being disfellowshipped? .Someone told me that my mother was a silentlamb, and I broke down crying admitting that , that was the truth. I was a silentlamb, just for the abuse of the beatings and what I can remember that was done to me as a little girl. I am filled with rage, and I don't know how to make it go away. How do you get over both of your parents abusing you in such ways? I know some will say get on with your life, but I have, I have a wonderful family. I have concluded that this is how I will always feel, it has been 16 yrs since my mom died and it still hurts. I just guess the only way I can deal with this is to help others. Just to be a friend, to listen, to be there for them. I will do anything to stop someone who may feel so alone and sad that they want to take their own life. I feel that if I could help someone, I would be saving my mom , I was so young , 18 , when it happened I didn't see it coming. I just think the WT should stop disfellowshipping people and destroying families and lives. This is not what Jesus would do at all. If anyone ever wants to talk ,,,,, my email is ddb300@hotmail.com ........anytime....

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Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
13:04:02
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WOW!! ddb300@hotmail.com It's is heartwarming to find someone willing to help. Someone who is kind and caring in spite of their our abuse. May you be blessed!

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Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
16:47:30
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HELP HELP HELP, CAN YOU HELP??? From B. Bowen: We have arranged for press conferences in the following cities, if you wish to support the effort to get the word out on the march please support those who are doing the conferences. If you can just show up and stand with the group it will help make a stronger statement. You do not have to do anything just be there. If you would like to be part of this please let me know and I will forward the local representatives email to you. We are making history folks, please do not miss this opportunity. The press conference is a 10:30 on Thursday morning. silentlambs --- Kansas City, MO --- Los Angles, CA --- Seattle, WA --- Portland, OR --- Salt Lake City, UT --- Tucson, AZ --- Atlanta, GA --- Dallas, TX --- Orlando, FL --- Louisville, KY (I will be doing the conference in Louisville, so far I am alone, anyone want to come?) --- St Louis, MO --- Dayton, OH

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Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
16:49:03
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EMAIL BILL @ info@silentlambs.org IF you can attend any of the above press conferences in any of those cities, this Thursday, 9/5/02, 10:30 am. He will then email you the person in charge for whichever city.

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Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
16:49:29
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If you've ever wondered how many trees the society uses to get its paper for magazines, unless its all 100% recycled, then go here to work it out. http://www.ecopaperaction.org/wizard/ SAB

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Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
21:06:15
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In my opinion their is no one more dangerous then a person with nothing to loose, This WT shunning has gone to far, It has been reported that shunning a person will help him in some way, can someone please explain to me how this works, or does it do more to Quite some members that have something important to say, In my case I started out speaking out against Child Abuse, For this I have been hurt beyond repair by the wbts, Now I'm mad and I say to you, Watch Your Backs!!!...NP

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Date:
02 Sep 2002
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21:56:44
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jgibson@hamburg.heartland.net: You wrote. "Flee, flee to what....Who else has the teachings of life? Will Jehovah not stand up and settle this matter?" You are quoting the followers of Christ as they assured him that they would stay with him. Do you even notice that you are insinuating the WTS for Christ in your question? You want everyone to think that criticizing this man-made org. is the same as turning one's back on Christ. In your mind this substitution justifies standing back and allowing such travesties to occur. Jehovah will take care of it? You must be kidding. Do you worship a God that doesn't require you to do your best to help? I'll bet you don't even feel a little bit overly-indoctrinated? - Buster

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02 Sep 2002
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22:38:50
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Bill, I'm from Ky also and I applaud you for your stance on child abuse. I've read some of the articles you wrote and it is terrible that a doctrine of devils like the Jehovah's Witness's, would stoup to this. I pray for you all everyday and don't give up no matter what they do. God will bless you for your stand. Mark in Ky.

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03 Sep 2002
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02:43:00
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*********the mole**** to all, i think now i must move on. my words have fallen to deaf ears. I have explained the methods employed regularly the judicial committees formed by the elders. they would not be worthy of courts systems, but they employ great frequency to deal with those not in total agreement with what they say. the family i mentioned were not removed but out right df'd. this site has become trivial to the needs of witnesses who need insight and warning to the dangers of evil that come in with sly intentions, but now slander, abusive words come into this site. i have more info from another letter from brother franz but i will not share it since this site has lost its way.>..............the mole***************

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03 Sep 2002
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06:30:47
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Mole Your presence was appreciated here I wish you'd stay. Nothing and nobody is perfect in this world. Please be patient and stay. If you have to go I wish you God's blessings as you continue to be His instrument in helping those entrapped out to freedom in Jesus Christ. RMK

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03 Sep 2002
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03 Sep 2002
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10:18:55
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THE MOLE: i've appreciated your comments on this site and i agree with the things you've said. as an active JW i can understand how you feel. i'm also concerned with the 'kangaroo courts' imposed on us by the WTS. there's absolutely no accountability at all in the WTS. Keep strong brother. Rich

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03 Sep 2002
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12:26:24
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Mark in KY: Will you be able to go to the Press Conference in Louisville this Thursday 9-5-02 @ 10:30 am and support Bill???? If so, please email him ASAP by writing to: info@silentlambs.org -- I'm sure he would love ya for it, since as of his last notice, he will be doing that Press Conference alone. THANKS!!! --- Mark in KY wrote: Bill, I'm from Ky also and I applaud you for your stance on child abuse...

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03 Sep 2002
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12:33:19
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Poem sent today, Silent lambs THE LAMBS SPEAK OUT They must you see It's now their strongest weaponry Tell it aloud and see them run The end for them has just begun The evil ways you've grown to know Must now be told both high and low These evil men Their time has come Days left for them a shortened sum Rely on faith Rely on God Enjoy his now approving nod The pain you've felt, anxiety Will leave and follow those who flee They're small and weak It's you who's strong Your trust in god will not prove wrong Hold head up high Stand strong with pride It's they who now must seek to hide Don't worry Lambs GODS VENGEANCE ROARS Their wicked souls Will be no more MTB

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03 Sep 2002
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12:34:05
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The above poem was found here at Jehovahs-Witnesses.com, btw.

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Date:
03 Sep 2002
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12:37:30
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Bill, here is another [poem] based on a few words of yours --- A pedophile paradise --- A pedophile paradise. How can that be? Gods organization is pedophile free. We refuse to believe it. We don't want to know. So abuse defenders know where to go. The angry apostates just make up their lies, Pretend to be honest but it's just a disguise. Deserve what they got It's Satan they follow To their debauched level they want us to wallow. To protect the abusers Ignore all their pain That's how we protect our God's name. It's only a few elders who made a mistake So a new policy we will not make. So block up our ears Put our heads in the sand Disfellowship them all, is the Watchtower command. Now listen you brothers Oh hear me you must Do you know who it is, you can trust? The witness policy Allows abusers to go free Lets them take your child to sit on their knee. Please watch them with care Confidentiality a must You'll never know which brother, is the one you can trust. ------ Copyright 2002: Lee Marsh ----- (found this one also at J-W.com -- Great poem!!!)

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03 Sep 2002
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12:40:12
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The Mole has smelled the rats in this guestbook. It is my opinion that he has determined that you guys stink as much as the JW's you are bashing. Who's better than who, the JW's and their kangaroo courts or this kangaroo guestbook? <****Forever your troll***>RJ

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03 Sep 2002
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12:43:33
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DAILY REMINDER: COUNTDOWN!!! ----- We have arranged for press conferences in the following cities, if you wish to support the effort to get the word out on the 9-27-02 March [in NY] please support those who are doing the [press] conferences [this Thursday, 9-5-02, 10:30 am]. If you can just show up and stand with the group it will help make a stronger statement. You do not have to do anything just be there. If you would like to be part of this please let me know and I will forward the local representatives email to you. We are making history folks, please do not miss this opportunity. The press conference is a 10:30 on Thursday morning. The cities are: Kansas City, MO -- Los Angles, CA --Sacramento, CA --- Seattle, WA -- Portland, OR -- Salt Lake City, UT -- Tucson, AZ -- Atlanta, GA -- Dallas, TX -- Orlando, FL -- Panama City, FL --- Louisville, KY (I will be doing the conference in Louisville, so far I am alone, anyone want to come?) -- St Louis, MO Dayton, OH

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03 Sep 2002
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12:43:59
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UPDATE FROM BILL BOWEN as of last night 9-2-02, PM: Many of the spokespersons [at the press conferences] will be abuse survivors. We would certainly welcome anyone who could offer them support. For locations (of the press conferences, Thurs. 9-5-02, 10:30 am) email silentlambs info@silentlambs.org and I will forward [your emails] to those who are handling the press conferences. [I am not publishing online the addresses of the press conferences myself because] Now why would I want to let WT know exactly where we are going to be? --- We picked up Sacramento, CA and Panama City, FL tonight. The Press conferences are going to be Thursday so we have time to get a group together for these cities. silentlambs ----- (Email or call Bill ASAP if you want to be at one of the press conferences!!!!!)

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03 Sep 2002
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12:49:53
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< http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35859&site=3> EXCELLENT READ! GET FIRED UP FOR SILENT LAMBS: Letters between a JW-son and his JW-father over the WTS abuse policies, along with letters to/from the other non-JW son and his JW-aunt/uncle. Excellent comments and reasoning by the two sons to their JW relatives on this matter. The JW-son is involved in the issue and he makes some excellent scriptural points, but his JW-father wants to take the "sit back and wait/watch" approach (bah-humbug!)

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03 Sep 2002
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13:10:51
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HOW CAN YOU HELP??? HERE'S HOW YOU, YES YOU, CAN HELP NOTIFY PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE of the Silent Lambs Press Conferences in your state or any state where there is going to be a Press Conference (see the above list of Cities in the B. Bowen/Silent Lambs post). Go to <http://disc.server.com/Indices/46743.html> which is a "public" list of xJWs. Read thru the list and pick out every name & email address in WHICHEVER STATE you would like to work on (if there is a press conference in that state), and copy/cut/paste this following message in an email, and send it to all of the people in whichever state you choose. We need everyone's help as there is not much time left!!! I am doing Florida, so don't do Florida, but that leaves 10 other states which you can pick from! Thanks/SLC: ----- Cut and paste this in a new email: ----- Dear xJW: I got your name and email address from the public xJWs list here: <http://disc.server.com/Indices/46743.html>. I am writing to let you know about, and ask your support of a very important issue. Are you familiar with Silent Lambs? <www.silentlambs.org> Briefly, the purpose of Silent Lambs is to expose the detrimental policies of the WTS regarding child abuse in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, the cover up of such abuse; the harboring of the molesters/abusers/pedophiles who perpetrated these crimes against women and children JWs, along with supporting the individual silenced lambs who have been harmed by these abusers and from WTS policies. There will be a Silent Lambs March at the World Headquarters of the WTS on 9-27-02 regarding these issues. To get the word out about that March, we are having a press conference this coming Thursday, 9-5-02, at 10:30 am, in __________________ (city/state). Would you please show your support by attending the press conference if you are able? You do not have to do anything but merely stand there and show support. If you can help, please email Mr. Bill Bowen, info@silentlambs.org, and he will provide you with the exact street address of the Press Conference. Even if you are not able to attend in person but would like to learn more about Silent Lambs and/or the 9/27/02 March on HQ, please visit the website: www.silentlambs.org. Thanks you! --- Please forward to anyone you know in your state!

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03 Sep 2002
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13:12:26
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Greetings everyone! Sorry I don't have to to sit and read and reply to emails. Just passing thru the "comments window" to add a few posts. Hope everyone is well! /SLC

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Date:
03 Sep 2002
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14:15:05
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It is interesting to note that Bill will tell the media (at least those who decide to give him the time of day) that there are 5000 accounts that he can corroborate with the anonymous posts made on this site (or those posts that are accompanied only by 2 initials) but only one newspaper reporter showed up to his df'ing. Also, interesting to note that on 02 Sep 2002 16:47:30 he was the only one so far that was scheduled to attend his news conference. I'm sure a couple more will show up by the time 9/9 rolls around, but geez, where are the 5000? Where are the 15 regulars that come here? Mole, where are you??? Oh, wait, he bailed out before the press conferences. Buster, are you going? No? Why not? You're too busy attending dodge the questions school? Sheila, I KNOW you will be there, right? Oh oh wait, you have to work. By the way Sheila, when will YOU have an epiphany? How about you John? Do they even want you there? You may jack everything up, if you blow up and smack someone upside the head with your holy cross bible. I thought you were shunning…. Please go back to shunning pretty please? And SLC? She might forget to show up because she'll be responding to 300 posts that weren't even directed at her, and oversleep. Get real people.

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03 Sep 2002
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15:10:55
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Sheila Carpenter Cclarioncall@aol.com Thank you very much for your excellent website. You are in tune with the heart of God. We are to love what He loves and to hate what He hates.

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03 Sep 2002
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15:13:12
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I REALY HOPE THE WOMAN WINS AND GETS HER 700,000

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Date:
03 Sep 2002
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15:37:46
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Has anyone else written to Oprah lately? Btw, the use your life award is now $100,000. I am going to start signing my posts as Spokane 2 in hopes that others in Spokane will write in. Spokane 2..jazbug55@aol.com

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03 Sep 2002
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LAMBS in EVANGELICALS NOW article, September 2002 Issue, FRONT PAGE ARTICLE: --- JW silent lambs protest --- September 27 2002 is a day the Watchtower Society is likely to remember.--- Protest marchers are due to walk just seven city blocks in Brooklyn, New York to 25 Colombia Heights, the headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses, now considered one of the world's wealthiest religions. --- Compared with most protest marches the participants will be few in number. Some will be JWs or ex-JWs, other people may have no religious affiliation at all. Yet the marchers will be united by a common theme: they will all have experienced or been eye-witnesses of the machinations of the secretive Governing Body running the cult, which, it seems, has allowed Watchtower policy to physically harm and emotionally ruin children. --- Woolly lambs --- Outside the headquarters individuals will speak briefly about the hurt they have either witnessed or personally experienced. It is intended that each individual should carry a small toy woolly lamb, to represent themselves or another person. The event will be unique as, although protest marches among JWs are very rare, protest marches against the Governing Body are totally unheard of. --- The lambs are not just for ornament. They have become a symbol for a rapidly-growing group of people who have suffered at the hands of the Watchtower Society. This group, calling itself 'Silentlambs', was begun by Bill Bowen, a JW of 43 years' standing, 20 of them as an elder. While an elder Bill had become aware that a fellow-elder had abused a child several times. Bill wanted to notify the police, but found the matter was being covered-up in his local Kingdom Hall. Eventually he telephoned the legal desk at the Watchtower headquarters, and was told not to get involved. Stunned and profoundly shocked, he resigned from his eldership and went public. But how to reach out and help those abused ones? --- Bill had no idea where they were or how many might be suffering. So was born the website 'Silentlambs'. Bill may have expected a trickle of emails, but he suddenly found himself inundated. Many months later he still gets emails every day, and has had over 27,000 visitors to the site. --- Silentlambs became for so many hurt souls their first chance to write and tell of their personal grief and pent-up guilt and anger. Some, incapable of speaking openly of their ordeals in the cult, chose to write poems. Again and again the themes were played out in the emails, as abusers were often believed, but the children were branded as liars by disbelieving elders. The correspondence confirmed to Bill that the cover-up mentality was not just a local one, it was endemic in the entire cult. As he expressed it, the movement was a 'paradise for paedophiles'. Since the group began Bill Bowen estimates that he has received around 1,000 stories while another 5,000 people have emailed or contacted him via the internet or by telephone. In May members staged a candle-lit vigil outside the Kingdom Hall in Benton, Kentucky. --- BBC Panorama --- When the BBC's Panorama investigated the problem in mid-July it dealt with cases in the UK and the USA. Following the programme the Silentlambs website logged around 200 emails in the first 24 hours. By the end of July around 50 new cases of abuse had been reported over the net. Interest in the programme can be gauged by the email response of over 1,000 letters to the BBC, the second highest the Panorama programme has ever received. --- The responses to the programme were split 50/50, with JWs in the main stressing there were no serious problems, but others telling a rather different story. Viewing figures indicate this was the most-watched Panorama of the past ten productions. --- Sara Poisson --- Particularly tragic was the story of Sara Poisson. A battered wife, with daughters whom she suspected were being abused by her JW husband, she went to the elders at her Kingdom Hall for help. Rather than dealing with the problem they told her to go home, pray more and be a better wife. As time passed and the evidence of ongoing abuse continued to mount, Sara went again and again to plead for help and protection. Still she was turned away - with the same instructions. As she was totally dominated by the eldership it never occurred to her to seek outside help. --- Eventually, when the school reported substantial bruising on her children, social workers stepped in. The ultimatum was clear: leave your husband or your children go into care. Knowing that to leave him would see her cast out of the local congregation she did just that. This left her homeless, penniless and shunned by all her former JW friends. --- Some time later, Holly, one of the abused daughters, went to the police and told them all that had happened at the hands of her father. It was another four years before the father, Paul Berry, was charged with 17 charges of aggravated sexual assault. Even then, after the testimony of the family to the court, some two dozen JWs came forward to offer character witness for the accused. --- Phone-in --- Following the Panorama presentation the BBC ran a phone-in programme on Radio 5. Again and again individuals called in (often using assumed names) to relate their own experiences of child abuse in the Watchtower cult. Running through the narratives was a theme of guilt and pain combined with an eldership that often seemed not to believe or did not want to believe the facts presented to them. --- The response of the JW movement is that for someone to be found guilty of anything there must have been two witnesses present. This may be well and good, but it must be admitted that paedophiles do not usually operate with bystanders about, unless they are fellow paedophiles. --- It goes without saying that the vast majority of JW parents are loving, kind people who cherish their children and the idea of abuse is total anathema to them. The Watchtower movement is not unique in having this problem. Yet it is also very plain that something is seriously wrong with any organisation that cannot face the reality of what is going on inside it. The Panorama programme noted the reticence of some elders to co-operate with police even when individuals were reported by their victims. --- One officer spoke of elders as being 'criminally negligent' when they failed to pass information to the police. In some cases recorded on the Silentlambs website, Jehovah's Witnesses who reported abusers to the police have been excommunicated from the cult. --- Sorry? --- One thing was very noticeable in the Panorama presentation: the lack of the simple word, 'sorry'. No one from the movement expressed any regrets to the poor traumatised individuals who painfully told their experiences. If we take the material on the Silentlambs website, there are many hundreds of people whose lives have been wrecked and defiled at the hands of evil individuals. What of those elders who have disbelieved suffering children? Can we expect apologies from them? Or does an external sanitised version of the cult come before truth and justice? --- Is it possible that when that little band of sufferers stand outside the Brooklyn headquarters in late September at least someone will come out to them and say 'sorry'. It would be a kindness to do so but the Watchtower has a very long history of not apologising for its errors. It is doubtful if it will do so now. --- Richard E. Cotton --- info@silentlambs.org <http://www.silentlambs.org> --- Copyright Evangelicals Now - September 2002

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To the Troll: Yes John is more than welcome and personally I hope he does smack someone. But YOU WON't be there will you LOL I am going to the one in Kansas City as soon as I get the location in fact if it weren't for some personal issues I would have been the one GIVING the press conference here in Kansas City. SLC comments are always appreciated to any and all posts. Sheila M

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03 Sep 2002
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PLEASE WRITE a THANK YOU to the author, Richard E. Cotton, of the above EVANGELICALS NOW front-page article re: SILENT LAMBS. You can write Mr. Cotton here: editor@e-n.org.uk ----- Thanks/SLC

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03 Sep 2002
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And, BTW, that article can be found here/SLC ----- http://www.e-n.org.uk/JWprotest.htm

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03 Sep 2002
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Mole. On 8/12 I said that you should keep doing what you do; Here, there, where-ever. Thanks for your intellect here at SL. It did NOT go unnoticed. I hope you find success in all you do. I am still trying to accept two thoughts. (1) Ignore the 100 people that do not hear your message it is the one that does that is so sweet. (2) If 100 people hear your message don't become bogged with the one or 2 that refuse to change their position. Both are hurdles for me.- Jayson

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03 Sep 2002
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PRESS CONFERENCE UPDATE, Tues. 9-3-02, 6:39 PM: --- The numbers of CITIES ARE GROWING!!!! Everybody say a prayer! and then Be There!!! Love/SLC ----- From Silent Lambs: If you wish to support abuse survivors across the USA who are conducting press conferences on Thursday of this week please let me know: info@silentlambs.org or 1-877-WT-ABUSE. They are taking a brave stand will you let them stand alone? -- We currently have the following cities in process: -- Tampa, FL -- Orlando, FL -- Panama City, FL -- Atlanta, GA -- Nashville, TN -- Louisville, KY -- ST Louis, MO -- Dallas, TX -- Salt Lake City, UT -- Seattle, WA -- Tucson, AZ -- Portland, OR -- Sacramento, CA -- Los Angles, CA -- Virginia -- Maine. -- silentlambs ----------------- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/active.asp?site=3&page=2>

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03 Sep 2002
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18:52:48
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NEW ARTICLE ABOUT BARBARA ANDERSON!!! READ IT HERE NOW and maybe I'll post it later AFTER I finish reading it! SO FAR SO GOOD! GREAT! Love/SLC. Go here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35937&site=3

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Barbara Anderson's Interview is OUTSTANDING. Don't miss it. I emailed it to a Dallas Morning News reporter who has sent me personal emails regarding other JW molestation stories I have sent him. People EMAIL this story to YOUR LOCAL PRESS. My favorite excerpt: . . . . Although the January 1, 1997 Watchtower stated that a "known" molester "would not qualify for congregation privileges," such as becoming an elder or ministerial servant (deacon), a SECRET LETTER to all bodies of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997, quietly backpedaled: "An individual ‘known' to be a former child molester has reference to the perception of that one in the community [emphasis ours] and in the Christian congregation." . . . . UNKNOWN TO THE FAITHFUL, who had taken the January 1st Watchtower at its word, PEDOPHILES COULD REMAIN in positions of authority, under this don't-ask don't-tell policy, at all levels of the organization. ...... the contents of that letter, leaked on the Internet, REMAIN, to this day, a SECRET TO THE RANK AND FILE.

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hey NO NAME; GO ROLL A WT AND STICK IT UP YOUR A BUTT!!!!!!!!!! THAT RIGHT I,LL BE AT THE MARCH IN NEW YORK!!!!!!!!! SO WATCH THE NEWS THAT NIGHT YOU WILL SEE ME AND MANY OTHERS THERE. SO IN THE NEXT WEEK I SEE SOME CRAZIED ZOMBIE .RUNNING FOR ME I,LL KNOQW IT,S YOU .IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE TO HOLD YOU THERE TILL .THE WHITE WAGON COMES TO TAKE YOU TO THE FUNNY FARM.THEN YOU WILL BE IN YOUR PARIDISE AND YOU WILL Have plenty of brain dead ZOMBIES TO JOIN YOUR BELOVED GOD!!!!!!!!!IN FACT I WILL TAKE YOU PERSONNALLY TO THE BRONX NUT HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!JOHN

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MOLE THANK YOU FOR EXPOSING THE JC KANGAROO COURT. MOST REGULAR,S HERE ALREADY HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. I KNOW YOU HAVE OPENED THE EYES OF MANY ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE WT. HERE EVEN IF THEY NEVER POST. YOU HAVE YOUR ANGLE ,AND I SEE IT ,AS YOU HAVE FAMILY IN THE WT. YOU SAID A FAMILY WAS DF,ED IT COULD BE THE BEST THING, THEY MAY TURN THE JESUS. AND BE HAPPIER THAN ALL HERE IN TIME. GOD WILLING!!!!AS FOR ME I WILL BLAST THE WT EVERY CHANCE I GET....BUT I OPEN THEIR EYES MY WAY ,YOU AND OTHERS IN THEIR OWN WAY. THATS THE POINT WHAT YOU MIGHT SAY MAY WORK WITH SOME ,AND WHAT OTHERS SAY WORK WITH OTHERS. NO 2 PEOPLE RESPOND TO THE SAME MESSAGE. THAT,S WHY GOD MADE US ALL DIFFERENT. ANY WAY I LOOK FOWARD TO YOUR NEXT EXPOSURE IF THE WT , WEATHER I TOTALLY AGREE OR NOT...REMEMBER JESUS SAID WHEN YOU DO HIS WORK YOU WILL BE PERSECUTED.....ALWAYS STAND TALL FOR JESUS ....JOHN

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HERE'S the BARBARA ANDERSON ARTICLE IN FULL --- An Unlikely David: Barbara Anderson's struggle to stop predatory pedophiles in the cloistered world of Jehovah's Witnesses --- By Michael Morris --- http://www.toasted-cheese.com/ezine/2-3/morris.htm --- While the Catholic Church is forced to publicly wrestle its demons of pedophilia, Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to acknowledge any similar problems in their midst. Barbara Anderson, a former insider from the uppermost echelons of the secretive sect, has stepped forward to reveal that such problems have been a source of denial, debate and division at the highest levels of the organization for at least a decade. While Witness leaders insist that sexual abuse of children is not tolerated or concealed in their congregations, as a former Jehovah's Witness, and as a parent who recently discovered my own children's molestation within the group, I strongly disagree. --- In the patriarchal world of Jehovah's Witnesses, Barbara Anderson of Normandy, Tenn., a sharp-witted lady from New York, rose to a level of influence that was unheard of for a woman. She assisted in compiling the official history of the group, and wrote articles that serve to instruct the 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, including the 1 million in the United States (though her gender, under Witness rules, would not allow her to read aloud in a Kingdom Hall the very words that she wrote). She regularly rubbed shoulders with members of the Witnesses' elite governing body, a committee that currently consists of 11 men, charged with overseeing the group. --- Anderson was also privy to the many letters and phone calls coming into the group's Brooklyn Heights headquarters from members of the faith, responding to published articles, or inquiring about various topics that had not been addressed in print. This feedback was reviewed in meetings among the writers to shape the content of future publications. For Jehovah's Witnesses, the printed word from headquarters provides a pharisaical canon, an ever-shifting lens through which to see more clearly the word, and will, of God. --- The formerly taboo subject of child sexual abuse was entering the public discourse in the late 1980s and early 90s, and the correspondence coming into headquarters reflected the angst of those who now felt comfortable coming forward with their own recollections of abuse in the insular communities of the Witnesses. These abuse survivors were turning to their congregation elders for guidance, and these elders, too, were writing to headquarters, seeking guidance. --- Parents of most denominations would not hesitate to call police first when sexual abuse of their child is reported. But to the Witnesses, all outsiders –- even police and social workers -- are co-conspirators with Satan, part of the condemned world soon to be destroyed by God. As a Witness, when dealing with any wrongdoing "you go to elders first, and then elders make the decision for where you go [from there]. To bypass the organization would be treason," said Anderson. --- But these same elders "volunteer, and are essentially untrained clergy," according to a Jehovah's Witness spokesman in the Paducah Sun. They attend no seminary, and have no minimum education requirements, beyond basic literacy. They are equipped for nothing more than enforcing organizational guidelines, delivering biblical platitudes and offering a moment of prayer. When encountering a case of child sexual abuse for the first time, their instructions are first to "call the Legal Department" at the group's headquarters. --- The list of mandated reporters of suspected child abuse varies by state. Church spokesmen assert that in those jurisdictions that include clerics as mandatory reporters, the elders are instructed by the Legal Department to make such reports. A recent fax to the BBC in response to a program exposing sexual abuse among the Witnesses noted that "it can be quite a challenge to keep abreast of the reporting requirements, but our Legal Department makes every effort to do so." It should relieve their lawyers to know that The National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information is funded by the US government and tasked with maintaining a web site with just such information, which shows that only 16 states require reporting by clerics. The hand of divine justice apparently is cut short by a lack of supporting legislation in other jurisdictions. --- The assertion that such reports are made by elders when called for by the law has been called into question. Two lawsuits recently lodged against the Witnesses claim that mandatory reporting laws were disregarded, and the abuse continued. In one case, a member is said to have been expelled for making such a report against the advice of the elders, after the elders failed to act. A taped telephone conversation from early 2001, between an elder reporting sexual abuse and headquarters, featured on a recent episode of NBC's Dateline, documented an official from the group advising the elder to "walk away from it," and to "leave it for Jehovah," even though the elder was calling from a state that mandates reporting by clerics. --- Some particularly conscientious elders sought to step outside their restrictive bounds as spiritual counselors in seeking to assist those traumatized by abuse. They were holding sessions that amounted to group therapy with victims of abuse, but this was quickly ended by a March 23, 1992 letter to all bodies of elders in the United States, stating that elders are not to hold such sessions nor "spend time reading secular publications dealing with worldly psychology or psychiatry." --- "Jehovah's Witnesses are a government that operates within all of the governments of the world. I believe that is the big issue here. They want to decide who is guilty or not guilty," said Barbara Anderson. Witnesses are well known for their defiance of secular governments. The Encarta World English Dictionary includes in its definition of Jehovah's Witnesses that the group "rejects secular law where it appears to conflict with the divine." --- So, the investigation of the alleged abuse and the deciding who is guilty or not guilty, falls on the local elders. The burden of proof, barring a confession, is that there must be two members of the faith who can serve as eyewitnesses to the crime, no matter what the infraction. Otherwise, the accused is exonerated and the abused is admonished to treat the accused as innocent in God's eyes and not to repeat the charge to anyone else -– even other potential victims, like younger siblings -- or face expulsion from the congregation and shunning by fellow members, including friends and family. Needless to say, child molesters don't usually seek an audience. So the cycle of abuse continues, while the victim, who summoned the monumental courage to come forward, is now forced back into silence by their spiritual leaders. --- All members are guided by the two principal publications of the group, the Watchtower and Awake! journals. Each had different editors, with differing opinions, in the 90s, which can be problematic for a group that points to its unity of belief as a sign of exclusive divine favor. Awake!, on whose staff Anderson served, often presented the group's softer side, while the Watchtower delivered stern doctrinal dissertations. "They would sometimes contradict each other, especially on societal issues," said Anderson. --- Barbara Anderson and other senior staffers knew that the age and cloistered lives of the governing body gave them no frame of reference to empathize with the plight of the abused and their families. Something more than arbitrary application of ancient edicts was required. --- Stories of the disastrous results of similar policies awaited Anderson on her summer vacation in 1991. The Witnesses choose to apply certain Old Testament rules literally, such as the command that a woman who does not scream during a rape should be considered a fornicator. "I was gravely disturbed hearing accounts of Witness women who were disfellowshipped (expelled and shunned) for not screaming while being raped. To illustrate: A Jehovah's Witness came back to his house unexpectedly while his house was being cleaned by a woman who also was a Witness. The trauma of his raping her at that time was so severe that she completely blocked out the experience until she discovered she was pregnant. It was then she faced what had happened and went to the congregation elders. She accused her spiritual brother of raping her; however, he denied it until tests confirmed he was the father of the child. Then he said it was consensual sex. She denied it. Nonetheless, she was disfellowshipped because she couldn't remember if she screamed during the rape and her attacker said she didn't. So, when I came back from vacation, I went in to see the man in the Writing Department who I was working with and told him what I had heard. To me it was horrendous that this girl was disfellowshipped. She was victimized twice." --- The implications of such policies were clear to Anderson. "I began to see how pedophiles could act easily within the congregations and get away with it," she said. --- Members of the Writing Department began pushing for change. When the October 8, 1991 Awake! on child abuse seemed to reverse earlier feelings against psychotherapy and against "repressed memories," there was widespread confusion. When congregation elders called headquarters for clarification "they [the Service Department, in charge of the elders] did not go along with that," said Anderson. "That article was viewed as a mistake. There was a battle going on at Bethel [headquarters] between these two factions. The man who was the head of the Service Department and the man who was head of the Writing Department -- both members of the governing body -- didn't agree on these things." said Anderson. --- An avalanche of phone calls and letters came in response to the October 8, 1991 Awake!. Even the cloistered governing body became aware of the widespread claims of abuse, not only abuse being perpetrated by lay members, but by church leaders as well. "The governing body knew in '92 that this was a very real problem, that men in authority were molesters, and they were molesting children. The accusations that were coming to them were not merely against average attendee's, but against men in authority, and you couldn't get the Service Department to recognize that. They were having a terrible time," recalls Anderson. --- Barbara Anderson and her husband would leave headquarters at the end of '92, after serving there for ten and a half years. She continued to support the writing staff as an outside researcher until '97. "It was during my last year at headquarters while doing research for a senior Awake! writer that I learned to my horror that the organization had severe problems with sexual child abuse. I knew when I left that it was understood that I would continue to send information in on child abuse. This was to try to influence the governing body to change their policies." --- Anderson was also aware of the implications of such policies for those outside of the organization. Accusations of child molestation, even a known history of criminal child rape, would not preclude a member from engaging in the Witnesses door to door preaching work. "I begged [governing body member and friend] Lloyd Barry, begged him by letter in July of 1993, not to allow molesters to go door to door." said Anderson. Lloyd Barry, now deceased, never responded. Instead, some three and a half years later, speaking of a molester who may have recently been released from prison, the Watchtower of January 1, 1997 states "If he seems to be repentant [to the untrained elders], he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress [and] share in the field ministry [door to door preaching]." --- Neither would a history of child molestation disqualify a member from being appointed as an elder, a leader and exemplar in the congregation. Although the January 1, 1997 Watchtower stated that a "known" molester "would not qualify for congregation privileges," such as becoming an elder or ministerial servant (deacon), a secret letter to all bodies of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997, quietly backpedaled: "An individual ‘known' to be a former child molester has reference to the perception of that one in the community [emphasis ours] and in the Christian congregation." And as for determining whether those already in a position of authority had a history of molestation, the letter directed that "The body of elders should not query individuals." Unknown to the faithful, who had taken the January 1st Watchtower at its word, pedophiles could remain in positions of authority, under this don't-ask don't-tell policy, at all levels of the organization. One is left to wonder who pushed for such a change, what they had to hide, and why the contents of that letter, leaked on the Internet, remain, to this day, a secret to the rank and file. --- "I can't go to my grave knowing what I know." Anderson's struggle for change from within the group ended when a letter from a member of the headquarters staff in early '97 indicated to her that such symbolic changes were in response to a rising tide of litigation, not out of concern for the welfare of children. "I couldn't go to the Kingdom Hall and hear all of the bragging about how wonderful this organization was from the platform, and sit there and listen. I thought "I can't go to my grave knowing what I know." She resolved to continue to push for change from outside the walls of the Kingdom Hall. --- Barbara Anderson came to be among five members disfellowshipped from the group in recent months, following a spate of media attention, for speaking out about rampant sexual abuse and cover-ups among Jehovah's Witnesses. "I had a very, very interesting life as a Jehovah's Witness. My husband and I brought eighty people into this organization," she remembers. While she takes exception to the policies of the leadership that harm children, she holds out hope that the voices that pushed for change in the mid-'90s may prevail. Among those voices are the group's powerful Legal Department, which pushed for a uniform reporting policy among congregations in all 50 states and the District of Columbia -– perhaps to be relieved of the arduous task of keeping track of all those laws -- only to be shot down by the governing body. Anderson also cites a group of elders in Dallas, Texas, which worked with a local mental health facility to tailor care for Jehovah's Witnesses, only to be removed from their positions en masse by the leadership. And there were those elders who sought to bring a little therapy into their shepherding. To be sure, there were kindhearted people easily found in the group. "They are good people. I am not going to say they weren't and they aren't dear people to us," she said. --- Perhaps if these people had succeeded in moving the organization to adopt a call-police-first policy in handling cases of child sexual abuse, just as they advise members to seek the help of a physician when ill, or of a fireman during a fire, there would not have been the chance for children, such as mine, to have been abused, their lives forever changed. Instead, we, like so many others, are left to fight a difficult and emotionally painful legal battle against a coy perpetrator in a position of authority, with the backing of his church. --- In our case, the alleged abuser continues, to this day, to beam piously from the platform and to hold children on his lap during the services at our former suburban Philadelphia congregation, even as criminal and civil actions are pending, to the full knowledge of the local body of elders. --- But it seems the short-sighted preservation of the image of the group has been the priority of the governing body, over the welfare of their flock. Better, they seem to think, to silence the victims, shun the whistle blowers, deny, deny, deny. I recall that Jehovah's Witnesses are expert in itemizing the sins of the Catholic Church, including the harboring of pedophiles. Perhaps now they will have the humility to turn that scrutiny inward, protect the victims in their midst, adopt a call-police-first policy everywhere, and stop allowing a de facto conspiracy of silence to protect pedophiles in their congregations, and on our doorsteps. --- Michael Morris grew up a Jehovah's Witness punk rocker in the suburbs of Philadelphia in the 1980s. He spent several years serving as a full-time preacher in the Witnesses' door-to-door preaching work, unwittingly learning much about life and faith from those whom he presumed to teach. E-mail <mailto:mikepence@yahoo.com> . --- Michael posts at Toasted Cheese as Dances with Cactus. "An Unlikely David" was first posted at What I Tell You Three Times Is True, our non-fiction critique forum.

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BARBARA IS GOING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL WITNESSES AGAINST THE WT . WOW I SPOKE TO HER ONCE ,MRS. ANDERSON KNOWS HER WT . WOW I NEVER SPOKE TO ANY JW AS SHARP AS HER .. BARBARA IS GOING TO SCREW THE WT BIG TIME . IF NOT IN CANADA THAN DOWN THE LINE..THAT,S A PROPHECY!!!!!!!!!!JOHN

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SHEILA; HAPPY TO HERE YOU ARE GOING IN YOUR AREA.. I PROMISE TO BE A GENTELMAN . I WILL MAKE THE SILENT LAMBS PROUD!!!!!!!!I MAY HAVE TO JUMP IN WHEN SOME WT ZOMBIE TRIES TO GET STUPID !!!!!!!!THAT,S ONLY IF THE GIRLS DOM,T GRIND THAT ZOMBIE FACE INTO THE PAVEMENT BEFORE THE GUYS GET THERE!HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS BE HONEST.. WHEN WE GWT TO THE WT NO ONE IS GOING TO COME OUT...JUST REMINDS ME OF A STORY WHEN I WAS A CHILD...WHEN MY UNCLE WOULD COME TO PICK ME UP , HE ALWAY POINTED TO A LADYS WINDOW. HIDING BEHIND THE CURTIANS, WITH DOGS PAWS ON HER SHOULDERS. HE ALLWAYS ASKED ME WHY THE OLD LADY WAS SMILING ??????? I HAVE A FEELING WHEN WE GET TO THE WT..I WILL SEE THAT SAME SMILING FACE STICKING THEIR HEADS OUT THE WINDOWS...AND THATS A TRUE STODY!!!!!!!!!!JOHN

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ED COTTON ; YOUR WORDS SPEAK FOR THEM SELVES....ALL THE LAMBS THANK YOU ....JOHN

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John- you sound like a violent man, not a man of God. You have absolutely no credibility whatsoever, no matter how much credit WT detractors give you. You are a disgrace to all Christians. Jesus preached his message with love not hate or veiled threats like you do. It just goes to show what a mock of a sham of a joke this site has become, with you as it's main spokesman. I suggest you take a step back and look at what example you are setting. I highly doubt Jesus approves what you are doing. No, you are NOT doing the Lord's work.

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Hi I have been reading this site for months. Thank you SLC for helping me find Ray Franz. The reason I started reading this site was because we too have been silentlambs. What I would like now is someone who is serious about looking into the scriptures and finding or verifying the truths that we already know. My faith in Jehovah has never wavered, an apostate I am not. Putting faith in the GB is an act of foolishness. After I found out that they were part of the UN for 10 years, that isn't an ups that is a, as they would put it. Repeated offence for many years. Did we hear any sort of repentance from them as they demand from any other (offender). I am like so many others my life as I know it has been tied up with witness's and because of it I have no friends outside. I am busy as I am raising my grandson, partly thanks to the LOVE OF THE BROTHERS, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But be that as it may. I am trying to look at the rose and not the thorns. jgibson@hamburg.hearland.net PS For all of those who read the posting accusing Bill of abuse. Please read it closely, she never said he was physical with her. She was talking MENTALLY ONLY big difference!!!!!!!!!!!!

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" WE WILL ROCK YOU".....sung by Freddie Mercury of Queen! Jenn

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Hey Everyone!!!!! this is Jan...I just logged on and wanted to say hi!!!!!! Things are getting exiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sir when you address John with overwhelming force you are suspect yourself .I don't agree with the way John expresses himself from time to time but you are using him to deride this page. I suggest to you that you think about this and recognize the validity of our grievances with the WT Society.Do not mix the style of some with the substance of the topic we are discussing here. By the way you did not sign your post.That puts you in the category of WT Borg Zombies. You should understand that the WT is a real enemy to us and the Public and we are certainly trying to kill the Devil. We do not hide it.RMK

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http://jwzone.org Enter the JW ZONE Daily Text for Wednesday, September 4 Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.-- Jas. 4:8. If we live according to God's Word, we receive Jehovah's holy spirit. We cultivate a Christlike personality, characterized by such appealing qualities as mercy and compassion. (Eph. 4:24, 32) God's spirit also produces in us its fruitage--love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, and self-control. (Gal. 5:22, 23) As we harmonize our lives with God's will, we strengthen our relationship with Jehovah. Our conviction grows that he understands and loves us. We learn through experience that he supports us during difficult times. (Ps. 18:18) We discern that he really listens to our prayers. (Ps. 65:2) We come to rely on his guidance, confident that it will benefit us. And we have the wonderful hope that in due time God will bring his faithful ones to perfection and bestow upon them his gift of everlasting life. -- Rom. 6:23. w 7/1/01 14, 15 Excerpt from "Examining the Scriptures Daily 2002". © 2001 WatchTower Bible & Tract Society of PA

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Hey this is the troll man RJ. What is happening in here? Where has all the negativity gone? In case you haven't noticed I have been laying low for a few days. That's because you guys seem to be straightening up and behaving yourselves. You have given me nothing to respond to. See, not all of us trolls are bad afterall.......I'll be watching......<***forever your troll***>RJ

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Harooo, I'm Back, Somebudy send NP Nasty Virus, at fust look like putty pictha frum JW akwaintance,bud win NP opun putty pictha NP no he in twubba,NP say bewah of JW sending gifts desdised as putty picha, can make computa reary sik! an NP think John shude take shiil pew! He make NP nuvas...LOL NP

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Thank you "self proclaiming" TROLL, your blessings mean so much.///// If we have to have the Devil's and the trolls, maybe I should ask God to send us some Angles and earthly helpers. "A little hope God", "and a little help please."

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To: All persons involved with child rape issues within JW's RE: Maintaining Perspective In The Face Of Organizational Failure Perspective: To look through, see clearly. The interrelation in which a subject or its parts are mentally viewed. The capacity to view things in their true relations or relative importance. (Webster's Dictionary) Serious Questions JWs who are aware of Watchtower (WT) leadership's failure in the matter of fixing it's child rape case-handling policies are faced with tough questions: 1. How is it possible that the religious framework that represents the True God Jehovah is insensitive to the plight of children being raped? 2. How can conscientious individuals continue to associate and support such a framework – knowing what they know is happening? Bible accounts provide the key “… all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.” JWs faced with the child rape crisis now raging within the WT organization clearly are in need of some comfort. The endurance part is a hard sell when persons have no hope. To date WT leadership has stripped away all hope in this matter and it doesn't look good for this to change anytime soon. Romans 15:4, alluding to “things that were written aforetime”, not only provides needed hope, but solid answers. A close and meditative consideration of the “things written” is the only way for thinking JWs to answer the above questions and be able to maintain association with JWs and faith that Jehovah can allow this tragedy to be happening. Past Examples The “things written” shows clearly that the True God allows evil and good to exist side by side within the earthly ranks of God's chosen channels. Never has there been a period in ancient times when there were no bad guys along with the good guys. During the period of the kings of Israel God allowed child sacrifice on the high places of false gods. Manasseh and others filled the land with innocent blood. Reformers like Hezekiah were few and far between, and even they had their failings. The case can be made that Hezekiah's much cited “good example” of trusting in God when faced with extermination by Chaldea was only because he had no way out of his jam. Before and after being delivered by God, Hezekiah used statecraft to impress the enemy by showing off the temple riches and even giving the door to the temple away as a bribe. What kind of good example is that? We must not overlook that “all” the things that were written must be there for a very good reason. If we accept those ancient ones as examples of faith, then we accept them with the bad as well. Evidently God does because they are listed as example in the book of Hebrews. Thus, if there is one thing this “instructs”, its that leaders are all every one a mixed bag. That's the lesson – JWs and JW leadership in modern times ARE NO DIFFERENT from ancient ones! They are a mixed bag. Ask: Have JWs and JW leadership been used in a wonderful way to carry out the preaching the good news in all the earth? Is there any other organization that has achieved love amongst themselves as Jesus said would be the case? If there are where are they? A Way Forward Understand clearly the reality happening here. Lock and load mentally to not let the reality push you out. Read the ancient accounts to get a perspective on this mess. Persons can conscientiously stay within the ranks of JWs. As with Elijah and others of old, ones may be hounded and even “killed” via df'ings. As with Elijah's day, God knows the exact headcount of ones who have not “bent the knee to Baal” - by going along with leadership's lead in this awful child rape matter. In Elijah's day it was exactly 7,000. Today it is millions. Like Ahab and Jezebel's case, God will judge the ones perpetrating the rape of children within the modern day organization. Satan doesn't care why a person leaves and/or looses faith in God, just that they leave. This policy has been fomented by Satan himself, exactly the same way as a sex and murder policies were used in ancient times. SG

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RJ, knock it off this isn't a joke. Call yourself a troll not the rest of us JW's. My comments regarding John still stand, I think he is dangerous and a menace to those who don't agree with him. He is vulgar and offensive, yet endearing to most of you in spite of his crude behavior. Jesus would NEVER approve of someone that likes to talk about stuffing things in peoples orifices and suggesting what I think he did when he described the old lady in the window. It's an utter disgrace, and you know it.

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I too am a victim along with 3 other siblings! I now know as an adult, that something should of been done when our situation was reported to the elders in the congregation. After many years we took our molester to court. May all children feel safe from danger!! No longer a silentlamb!! Iris irisclifford@hotmail.com

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If anyone knows of child porn by jehovah's witnesses either being shown or produced by them, please e-mail me @ cosmicjill@planetkc.com. Thanks so much!!!!!!!!

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SG your thoughts are good ones, I have felt much anger and released some of it on this sight, It helped let off some steam that was needed and I don't look down on those that show there anger like I do at times, I realize it is an important step in the healing process, (as long as they don't become violent, this is as bad as sexual abuse in my opinion) but your post really did hit home for me today because I was not comfortable with being angry at the WTS but I was, Your words on standing beside the evil doers make since, I feel there will be a need for someone that has been there and done that,I believe now that the power is being taken out of this Taboo subject and being put in our hands to deal with, if the WTBTS is afraid to stick its neck out its up to its members to share there Experience,Strength, and Hope to these abused lambs,even if it means sitting amongst some of the Evil ones ,I believe after reading your post this is a good that can come out of all of this, it would make Jehovah happy and not destroy the good people and things that happen there. I think that is what we are meant to do now. Has there been any feedback from any of the Asian country's on this subject or is this just an American European problem...NP

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Another great article: http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/2002/09/04.html . . . . . . My Favorite Excerpt . . Unknown to the faithful, who would have taken the Watchtower as gospel, molesters could remain in positions of authority at all levels of the organization. The contents of that letter, though leaked on the Internet, remain a secret to the lay members of the group. It was explained to the elders, said Brown, and it is not a part of our standard way of handling things to always inform every detail of matters to the congregation in general. What is stated there [in the January 1, 1997 Watchtower] and the way its stated there, without the clarification, is certainly what happens most of the time. . . .End of Quote. I'm just curious but doesn't the Governing Body think it is patently dishonest, immoral and unethical to have the congregation study an article and then send out SECRET LETTERS to the Body of Elders? Honestly, my God is not this stupid.

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NP, I want to answer your Asian country question. We have a friend from Korea and he heard about the Dateline story as he often watches American Television in his country. My husband and I had been determined not to mention it to him as he is a very staunch witness. He spent the two years in prison and the whole nine yards. Well, anyway, he hears about the abuse accusations and he totally believes it is true. He didn't tell us why, but apparently there are things that have occurred in Korea to make him believe it's truthfulness.

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TONIGHT, WED. 9-4-02, 10 PM NEWS, NASHVILLE, TN, NBC STATION: Barbara Anderson, and JW scandal/cover up!!! If you're in the area, turn on your NBC Channel for the 10 pm news!!! ---/SLC

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cosmicjill@planetkc.com/// I want you to know that I sent your address to the FBI, if you want what you are asking for they can contact you. This is not a game. What if what is claimed to go on here is real. Do you really feel powerful to mock someone who has been violated or beaten? Come on man I know you don't.-

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NEWS TONIGHT! Here's more details: For those in the Nashville, TN viewing range, Brian Lewis is interviewing Barbara Anderson and Joe, that is if he gets home in time, this afternoon. The interview will be shown on the 10 P.M. news tonight, Wednesday, Channel 4, the NBC affiliate, WSMV.

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John's Detractor: It is true that John has ideas that are quite dangerous to those that disagree with him. He is passionate, and I believe he does his own research, first-hand. As for your speech on behalf of Christ's opinions, you're wrong there too chief. Can you imagine how vulgar it seemed to the establishment when Christ went in and tossed the money changers from the temple? Do you think he went in and asked nicely? Was he apologetic and never wavering from trying to reason with them? He kicked butt and got some attention when his cause needed it. Oh yeah, and more than a bit sarcastic when he wanted to be too: "You yourself say it" - to Pontius Pilate! It is so presumptuous of you to speak for Christ. Though you are to be forgiven, 'for you do not know what you are doing.' - Buster

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I just read the Barbara Anderson Report, AWESOME... There can be no question now ,in my mind that somewhere along the line Satan has sent his agents to sit in OUR HOUSE and put in a position to Govern and abuse his true followers, We need to stand up and write letters to the Governing Body asking them to step down and find competent God Fearing Worshipers of Jehovah to oversee this to be done... I would like to nominate Barbara Anderson and I am writing my letter to the WTBTS asking this to be so...Well isn't that the way WTBTS hands injustice to their witnesses, they have everyone write a letter isn't that so...I'm Serious...NP

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Hi JOHN: I loved your story your uncle used to tell you (lady in window with dog paws on her shoulders), and I also liked your application of it. Probably very true, but we all will feel better for doing our part, no matter how heartless the GB continues to act! /SLC

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To Nameless Ghost who said John was not doing the Lord's work. Wouldn't that be a little PRESUMPTUOUS for YOU to decide who is and who is not doing the Lord's work? Are YOU the Lord, btw? If you are the Lord, then, yes, YOU CAN SAY who is and who is not doing your work. Otherwise, I would be careful making such judgments. Do we all wish John did not let a curse word fly now and then? Sure. But everything else he says reminds me of this: "Speak the word of Jehovah WITH BOLDNESS." Maybe the Lord chooses all kinds of people, some BOLD, some more meek. When you get off your self-righteous judgment trip, then we will welcome you. Otherwise, you're a REAL DOWNER HERE. /SLC

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JOIN NOW! The 700 Club! (Oops. That's a typo, I meant): John The 300 Club! Yes, The 300 Club was begun by me, SLC, for any and all regulars who would like to post at least 300 replies to guests here who may not really be writing to you specifically but your heart compels you to write/reply/welcome/comfort, and yes, you even might have to chastise a few now and then. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) LOVE TO EVERYONE!!! /SLC

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Iris Clifford: Please tell us what happened when you took the perp to court. Criminal or civil? Did you include the elders that should have helped but didn't. Do you know of any others that this creep attacked - attack that could/should have been prevented? I hope you got some satisfaction. - Buster

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Reminder to those who don't recall or haven't read: SLC = Definition = Silent Lambs Cheerleader. ----- Cheerleader = Definition: "One who leads the cheering of spectators." Hence, I began posting and making an effort to cheer-on/reply/acknowledge/validate/welcome/ comfort/console/or Just Say Howdy! to everyone who takes the time to visit the Guestbook, and who leaves a comment. ------ Another word for cheerleader (per the dictionary) is adulator = Definition: "To praise or admire excessively." ----- You Better Belief It Too! That's my heart's desire: To PRAISE & ADMIRE EXCESSIVELY SURVIVORS OF ABUSE; to Praise & Admire the SUPPORTERS & ADVOCATES of the Victims/Survivors of Abuse! If you want to be on the cheerleading team, which most of you WONDERFUL PEOPLE already ARE, keep up the GOOD WORK. When we all reach the 300-post mark, we become automatic members of THE 300 CLUB!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) Love ya/SLC!

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SG . . . . . . This is the counterpoint to your commentary . . . . .Years ago some Jehovah's Witnesses in the door to door service rang my doorbell and I eventually studied and was baptized. One of the points they drilled home to me was I needed to leave my current religion because of its wrongdoing. They convinced me that to stay would be guilt by association. And now you are telling me that it is okay to stay part of a religion regardless of what its leadership does? Also you are saying that Jehovah will sort out the wicked from the righteous within the JW's religious organization; therefore I must conclude that he would be willing to do the same for any religion. I have a couple of other problems, you say that true religion should have LOVE among their selves, so my question is: Does that include love for VICTIMS? Would it be okay to destroy the lives of tens of thousands of children and then throw them away by disfellowshipping them if they had problems? Would it be okay to threaten and coerce people like me who complained about the abuse? I have another question: When the bible says all you are BROTHERS, did it mean that it was okay to have a hierarchy of elders that would rule over the lay class with secret instructions received via secret letters and secret meetings? Does the Bible have a SECRET PART that I don't know about? Would it be okay for me and many others to study our watchtowers and think we were being taught by the FDS but in fact they were using double speak and secret documents to hide the truth? You seem to have the Hebrew Scriptures down pat, but let me ask you another question? How hard do you think it was for First Century Christians to leave the Jewish religion? What did it cost them? Weren't they disfellowshipped by the synagogues? Why couldn't they just remain a part of that Pharisaical organization and let God sort it out in the end? I have a few more questions but I'll stop with this one. In my congregation about 90% of the members did not care about the victim, the elders ran a dis-information double speak campaign that would have made Bill Clinton proud and lies were taught. Mr JR Brown and Watchtower Service Dept was very personally involved it this particular mess. So do you think those people are my brothers? My name is Nan, Nancy Naranjo

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:04:13
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NP! LOL! on the "beware of JW sending/gifts." --- And What does "shiil pew" mean??? ?SLC

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:08:59
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TROLL MAN, RJ: How nice of you to visit us again. What you are evidently not grasping, even though I have mentioned this before, is that when there are BIG EVENTS COMING UP/TAKING PLACE having to do with the SIlent Lambs Organization, then everybody gets busy and is taking care of things; hence the # of posts drop down, and everyone is very excited as we have BIG DAYS COMING! Now, once those Events die down again -- and they will in the interim, as occurred more recently after Dateline and before BBC Panorama... and then between Panorama and CNN.... and in between CNN and this NEXT BIG OCCURRENCE.... -- The point I am making is that IN BETWEEN big Silent Lambs Functions, there is a slowdown and people like to discuss SIDE TOPICS having to do with the WTS. When that time comes again -- and it will -- we will give you ADVANCE WARNING so you can disappear for awhile so you will not get sooooooo discouraged and obnoxious about the Side Topics which we also like to discuss. Now, do you understand how the EBB & FLOW of this guestbook works? I hope I have explained it in a way you can comprehendo! LOVE YOU MR. TROLL RJ!!!! LOVE LOVE LOVE IS IN THE AIR!!! SILENT LAMBS ARE A-NUMBER-ONE PEOPLE!!!! /SLC

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04 Sep 2002
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23:13:11
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DUHHHHH! I did not even "GET" the story John's uncle told him about the lady in the window, until just now when I read the NAMELESS Ghost's post. NOW I GET IT! Now I see how John was applying it: THE GB GETTING IT FROM BEHIND. Well, we already know that is TRUE (i.e., Greenlees, Canadian Branch Office; and Chitty, et al.) GB PERVERTS ARE DISGUSTING, so how can you find fault with the discreet way of putting it? Would you rather have us describe in DETAIL what Greenlees and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang did???? /SLC

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04 Sep 2002
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23:15:45
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For a people who like to label themselves "IN THE TRUTH", it has been my personal observation over the years that they run from the truth and cower in their dark holes whenever they hear it. Also whenever they are asked a direct question, they will lie lie LIE, no matter how ludicrous the story they have made up to cover their evil tracks. I have never known anyone to fear the truth like a JW CJV Ontario, Canada

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:17:49
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SORRY I didn't have time to read AND reply to all the posts tonight or the past few days, especially the longer ones I didn't even read tonight. Doing laundry for outfit for the BIG DAY TOMORROW for SILENT LAMBS ACROSS AMERICAN & THE WORLD!!!! I WILL BE THERE!!! Come RAIN (most likely Tropical Depression Eduardo!) or SHINE!!! My laundry is done so I gotta go put it in the dryer and get to bed. Hope to check in late tomorrow or very soon with more news!!! Love ya/SLC

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:42:26
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CENTRAL FLORIDA PEOPLE: If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the Central Florida Area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in the Heart of Orlando!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For info write Zenreese@aol.com, or write info@silentlambs.org, or call 386-295-4545 for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.

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04 Sep 2002
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23:46:05
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ATLANTA, GEORGIA & SURROUND AREA: CENTRAL FLORIDA PEOPLE: If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the Atlanta, GA area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in Atlanta!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For info write obedf@hotmail.com, or write info@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:46:39
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CORRECT VERSION: ATLANTA, GEORGIA & SURROUND AREA: If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the Atlanta, GA area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in Atlanta!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For info write obedf@hotmail.com, or write info@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:49:03
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GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA: If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the Greater LA area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in LA!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For info write info@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:52:05
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SEATTLE, WASHINGTON & SURROUNDING AREA: If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the SEATTLE area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in SEATTLE!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! Contact: Charles L. Eakins: Both Home & Cell 206-706-0797; or Bill Bowen: 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345; or write info@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE for EXACT DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.

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Date:
04 Sep 2002
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23:57:56
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REPORT FROM THE FIELD: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED Sep 5, 2002 00:46 ------ JUST GOT HOME A SHORT WHILE AGO AFTER VISITING A COUPLE OF LOCAL KINGDOM HALLS. YEP, LEFT THEM A "PRESENT" A LITTLE LAMB WITH A NOTE REGARDING THE "SILENCED LAMBS" AND THE SILENT LAMBS WEB SITE. THEY'LL BE THERE TO GREET THE PIONEERS AND PUBLISHERS FOR THEIR EARLY MORNING FIELD SERVICE MEETING. (Posted by SisterAct at J-W.com) ----- GREAT IDEA! WE ALL should do that, maybe the Thursday night before the 9-27-02 March --or -- the Saturday night after the March, so the lambs would be there for their SUNDAY meetings! What do you think my fellow CHEERLEAERS??? (Yes I'm supposed to be IN BED by now!) /SLC THE LAMBS WILL BE DOING THEIR OWN WITNESSING.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:08:51
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Buster, if you recall back on 31 Aug 2002 19:17:34 John said he was doing the Lord's work. It is a DISGRACE to take Jehovah's name in vain as he has done so many times on this site. He alludes to “your god Jehovah” often and follows up with obscene remarks that are sickening. Buster you make me sick even trying to condone such behavior. I don't care how much research he does, I am really upset that anyone DARES to condone his antics. HOW DARE YOU condone his obnoxious behavior with references to what our Lord Jesus did on behalf of Jehovah when he tried to clean his Fathers house!?! This is an absolute outrage and truly sickening to say the least, that you would even offer an explanation for his behavior. You also said the following “As for your speech on behalf of Christ's opinions” WHAT??? I don't have to speak for him, pick up a bible!! What do you mean I'm wrong there? The bible clearly delineates what makes a true follower of Christ, would you say Buster he fits the bill? And to SLC, why don't YOU be careful when YOU make your judgments? I base mine on what is clear as day, and John has made it very clear he is a dangerous individual by the crude obscene language and descriptions he uses. “Speak the word of Jehovah with CRUDENESS, is what John does SLC. Before you quote from the bible make sure you know what you're talking about. I was abused as a child and I think it is a disgrace what is happening here. So now what SLC, am I not welcome here anymore? Are you going to tell me that I am lying? Your comments about the GB were despicable. I expect that from you and from others here. And someone says they're lumping me in with other WT zombies, go ahead if that makes you feel better. I thought that this was a site for anonymous posts. When did that change?

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:18:31
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TAMPA, FL VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:19:39
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PANAMA CITY, FL VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in PANAMA CITY, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:20:40
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NASHVILLE, TN, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in NASHVILLE, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:21:32
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LOUISVILLE, KY, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in LOUISVILLE, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:22:20
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ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in ST. LOUIS, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:23:01
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SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in SALT LAKE CITY, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:23:58
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TUCSON, AZ, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in TUCSON, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:24:34
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PORTLAND, OREGON, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in PORTLAND, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:25:08
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SACRAMENTO, CA, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in SACRAMENTO, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:25:51
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VIRGINIA & MAINE VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in VIRGINIA & MAINE, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:42:51
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WE FIND ANONYMOUS POSTS AN ANNOYANCE because it leaves us NO NAME in which to address the person. IT IS A COURTESY to give yourself a code-name! But since you are basically an annoyance anyway, what do we care? Get with the program. I remain Anonymous but I use a code name as do many of the other regulars here so we can know Who Said What, and when we reply, we know WHO we are replying to by their code name. SEE? How hard is that to understand??? Abused or not, you are still sitting on a very High Pedestal, with a very self-righteous attitude. THAT is what is such a turn off. At least "crude" John is NOT SELF-Righteous, and neither is Buster. -- And another thing, speaking for myself, I think not even using a code name is COWARDLY. For pete's sake, make up a name for yourself. How about SELF-RIGHTEOUS? or Nameless or NO NAME or whatever. Just pick one and USE IT Repeatedly, or would you rather PLAY CHILDISH GAMES by making yourself INVISIBLE so NO ONE CAN REALLY GET TO KNOW YOU???? OK, keep hiding in the corner without a name. Reminds me of that guy who wrote the book: A BOY CALLED "IT." --- That's what his mother called him as she abused him horribly all his life. DO you want us to refer to YOU as "IT"???? ----- The more you provoke John with your condemnations, the more he will lash out. That's the way New Yorkers Are! (joking, John). He has a right to post his anger here, just as you unfortunately have a right to post your DISDAIN OF EVERYONE HERE. WHY DON"T YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE and find a group you REALLY LIKE if all you can do is COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN???? Abused or not, I really feel no empathy for you whatsoever. You've got a cork you know where. ---- As for the GB - THERE IS DOCUMENTED PROOF & FACTS ABOUT GREELEES & CHITTY. GO EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT YOUR LEADERS before you spout off like the naive blinded JW you are. Sheeeeesh! Take off the blinders and START READING! Then come back with your tail between your legs, show some humility and we may -- just may warm up to you. GOODBYE! /SLC

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:50:39
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DALLAS, TEXAS, VISITORS: If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the DALLAS area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in DALLAS!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For exact location and directions, Contact: Bill Bowen: 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345; or write nfo@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE -- or email janderson817@earthlink.net -- or -- Ohsophat63@hotmail.com -- or -- Linthoman@hotmail.com.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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00:51:30
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BTW, NAMELESS "Self-Righteous" NoName Complainer: ARE YOU GOING TO A PRESS CONFERENCE TOMORROW TO SUPPORT SILENT LAMBS? Or are you going to hang around the Guestbook and complain all day? /SLC

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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02:39:41
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Ghost: Somebody needs a sense of humor. Absolutely, John has an occasionally crude way of delivering his message, no question. But he is to the point, well-researched, and sometimes pretty darn funny. He is committed to his cause, and I think that cause is the same 'house clearing' you refer to. And as far as being a qualified follower of Christ - I'd stack him, and most of the posters here, up against any elder that has ever told an abused, crying for help 12-year-old that they need to either shut up or find another witness. By the way, this wide world of ours needs instigators too. Thanks for keeping the repartee lively. - Buster

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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03:54:17
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Remote Looser: (New handle for no name insulters?) Date: 05 Sep 2002 Time: 00:08:51 …”HOW DARE YOU condone his obnoxious behavior with references to what our Lord Jesus did on behalf of Jehovah when he tried to clean his Fathers house.”…. HOW DARE YOU… Jesus did not try. He succeeded then, and succeeds now… He will succeed in our futures. And you questioned and answered yourself I recommend physiological help and medication before this turns into full a full blown mental illness. (Just looking out for ya buddy.) You say you were abused. I am sorry for that. Really, I am. I was too. (Not sexually) but abuse mental or physical sucks! This site is very unique. It is holding the people in command of the WTBS responsible for their direct actions and the policy that they created. They are accountable. What they have said about Mr. Bowen and all the other people called Silent Lambs here is what is obscene. That is the real outrage. This time it is not going to just be swept away. People and the GB are going to have to atone for what they have done and what they are doing. No more will anyone be able to silence a victim of rape, or molestation. No more physical abuse to keep someone in line. No more fearing the loss of love, or companionship because you have drawn the wrath of an earthly man trying to play god. NO MORE! NO MORE! NO MORE FEAR! NO MORE PAIN! At least no more feeling alone. You, We are not alone here. At least we try to give comfort in our own ways. It is like a TV. If you don't like John pass over him. If you like whomsoever say so. But John, Buster, Linda, Jessica, Bill, RMK, SLC, Rich, NP, Nancy, (You are new I think but boy from the heart), Bonnie, Mole, Soapbox and many more all deserve respect. I believe that they are real and all are different in views but they are here and that is believable and therefore that, and they are respectable. –Just my opinion-Jayson-Let the lashings begin……………

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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05:41:26
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Zombie,Zombie I regret your situation. Your brain is not functioning You are the only one that will have to pay for the inexperience that is equal with stupidity. You are wasting your time thinking that you might confuse somebody here or discourage. Our mission is clear. We endeavor to show the world that the GB of JW is a criminal element in our society that must be brought to jusice.RMK

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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09:49:49
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SLC, You want me to go somewhere else if I want to complain about those who take Jehovah's name in vain? You are UNBELIEVABLE!!!! You're calling ME self-righteous? I read some of your posts, stopped right about where you were blowing up at people when they disagree with you. John is at LIBERTY to take Jehovah's name in vain, because no one is stopping him from writing, but Jesus and Jehovah do not give him the RIGHT, OK?? He has acted shamefully and what is more shameful is those who condone his behavior. YOU are vulgar and offensive also, which is why I suspect you take issue with what I said to John. Can you respond respectfully without making references in peoples private areas? Look who is talking about hanging around complaining all day. Now I see why those who disagree see the irony in all of this. Buster – HOUSE CLEANING? ARE YOU FOR REAL?!?!? I can't BELIEVE you think he is imitating Christ. Just because I am extremely upset that this site unfortunately turned out to what I thought it would be when I checked in, and made my comments, I am an instigator? Now I am a loser to Jayson? Did I HAVE to agree with your views in order to not be called a loser? Can you see how insulting the posters here are? RMK or whatever your name is, I'm stupid??? I call it as I see it, hope not to offend but unfortunately it offends. I am truly outraged, what a disgrace to our god Jehovah and his son Jesus, who I can say without a doubt lump verbal abusers with all those who abuse children. That is MY belief, whether you like it or not. And don't try to say I am engaging in the same thing, which is what I suspect you will. I state my observations without calling names. I am guessing you all were disfellowshipped, right? I see what's going on here……. What a waste of my time trying to get John not to be vulgar and use the Lord's name in vain.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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10:34:21
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Nice to know that the JW's can't hide from this one. Go get 'em!

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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10:46:52
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John is a lovable person.When he speaks about Jehovah your god he speaks about the WT as god that has taken the NAME of the Holy ONE of ISRAEL on ITSELF and blasphemes it. He loves Jehovah or Jahve. You however Nameless One do not know who Jehovah is or the relationship between Him and His Son Jesus Christ because the WT made tremendous effort to eliminate that possibility from your conception. It is up to you. If you want to learn than be patient and study. Do not attack anybody whose character you are unable to read.rmk

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
11:14:58
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05 Sep 2002 Time: 09:49:49/////I did not call you a loser. - Jay

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
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11:41:18
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Ghost: An instigator is not necessarily a bad thing. One more word about John - I think many at this site are unoffended by his specific choice of words because we are listening to the message he is conveying. Anyway, enough of all that I hope. I think most here would like to hear your story - only as much as you can share without much pain. And I think you want to tell it too (a bit presumptuous). Did anyone in authority (privilege) help, or fail to help? This is a great chance to disarm and get back to the point. - Buster

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
11:51:17
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RMK are you serious? I don't know who Jehovah is or what his relationship is with his son? The fact that you love John after he seriously takes the Lord's name in vain gives me the creeps. I know EXACTLY who Jehovah is, he is our creator. I know who Jesus is, he is our savior, our redeemer, our Christ. Don't lecture me on who Jehovah or Jesus is. I know what the relationship is between the two, and what I also know is that NO ONE here or ANYWHERE is worthy of even breathing the air that we breathe because of our stupidity. With that said, Jehovah was gracious enough to send his son Jesus to earth and set an example for us all to follow, and was gracious enough to preserve a collection of inspired works that can help us imitate his son Jesus to the best of our ridiculously limited capabilities. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME SO FAR? It is CRYSTAL clear by a careful examination of scriptures that the example Jesus set is seriously compromised here. You can sit there all day claiming that I don't know anything it doesn't bother me in the least bit. What DOES bother me is the fact that you believe someone that is obviously twisting everything to his liking AND MAKING VEILED THREATS is lovable. Stop embarrassing yourself by condoning his despicable behavior. And Jay, did you get amnesia? Do you recall the following: 05 Sep 2002 03:54:17 “Remote Looser: (New handle for no name insulters?)”???? You DID call me a loser. AM I A LOSER? What, because I am fuming that our creators name is being dragged through the mud? I already ran out of words to describe how I feel at being attacked IN SPITE of the fact that I am a victim myself.

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
13:24:46
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05 Sep 2002 Time: 11:51:17 (1) The "Remote looser" was a question. So, again only you decide if you are. What I think does not matter. If you are attacking out of your own hurt then you deserve understanding sympathy. You may not see it or understand it but it has been given to you. Look for the best in the posts without spite and you will see that the anger is not at you, not at the religious body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The outrage is at over 100 years of punishing true God loving people by a small band of earthly men working hard to maintain power that is exclusive to God. The teachings of Christ is not about crushing the spirit of your own kind or anyone else. If you can not see that by now you do not want to. If I have offended you then I am sorry for that my mission is to not infirm. If others here offend you then I am sorry for them too. Unfortunate many here seem to intend to infirm. Look past them. Heck, look past me if you need to. Help the lambs, they are what matter to me. I don't care if you hate me as long as you will help those asking for help. You have no name which makes it harder to see you as a person. That is your choice I have no power to change that, you do. But if you want to be better accepted you must have the courage to make yourself a person and not a remote user. You can heal here if you wish. You can leave here if you wish. Many quotes of the Bible are given here. Remember there are 1000's of God's people and they are in so many institutions out in the world. They are everywhere. God is everywhere. If you limit your scope to the WTBS point of view you are very limited but I am sure that there are people there that can help you if you need it. If not then maybe God is telling you to become that helping person. No matter what it is your choice. You asked if I think that if you do not accept my point of view are you a looser. You decide; It does not matter what I think it only matters what you think. If I do not accept the WTBS and the GB feelings (beliefs) on all matters do you think that I am a looser? If Christ had been told by the Religious establishment to accept their views what would he have said? What would his disciples have said? If we are so mislead to speak out for the crimes that are being and have been shunned by the GB, if this is so outrageous to God then we will fail. But, if God is using us to make change in the GB or the WTBS to make it in harmony with the teaching of Christ then do you want to be in the way? The GB has been wrong many many times about many many things in the past, maybe just maybe they are wrong here. (What do you think? Could they be wrong?) And yes maybe just maybe John is a disciple of Christ. Only he decides that. Not you not me and not the GB.-Jayson

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Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
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Nameless, you are not a victim and you do not know JEHOVAH. You prove that every time you open your mouth. You have knowledge of some scriptures from NWT and the standard lies from the WT and Awake magazines but you lack biblical knowledge and have NO UNDERSTANDING. For example: You don't know that you are claiming perfection for yourself and demand the same from others.But Jesus did not die for you the perfect Nameless. John and myself and others are not perfect but the Lord died for us imperfect people. Jesus was a company to beggars prostitutes and thieves and it was not embarrassing or shameful for him to give them hope cure them eat with them and remove their sin. It is below your dignity to talk to some of us. So you judge us as a typical Pharisee Who gave you that right? As I said before You are not to blame as much as those who keep you enslaved. Indeed as you just proved again you do not know your Creator yet nor his Son not to mention the Holy Spirit! He is only a thing to you and your Slave masters the WBTS.(Even the title is so ridiculous - Masonery.Bizzare! John is acceptable to everybody here but you make yourself abhorrent to us and the LORD. I hope you understand that in right context.rmk

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To Iris---welcome and good for you. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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Buster - An elder's son abused me. It was not the elder. I don't remember if he was baptized or not. It was long ago. I do remember the son denying everything. Am I angry with the body of elders? NO. Are my parents angry, NO. Why aren't we angry? Well, people are imperfect, and we cannot hold the elders accountable for what happens to children. Yes I still carry a scar, from the abuse not from the JW's. I've been around the block and back, and would be someone COMPLETELY different person if I wasn't a JW. Believe me when I say that, it wouldn't be pretty dealing with me as a wordly person. It took me a while to realize that out of all religions, JW are the ones that STICK TO THEIR GUNS and follow the bible for better, or for what some mistakenly view as worse. This is EXACTLY what bothers most here. It's easy to discard Jehovah's point of view on serious sins if you're not a JW, such as immorality, but not easy if you are. That's because there IS NO LEEWAY. There is no room for adultery, divorce, fornication, loose conduct, vulgar language, etc., etc., but what do you see of those who are not a JW's? LOOK AROUND!! And what happens if a JW commits a sin and does not repent? They get what's coming and well deserved, as outlined in the scriptures. When disfellowshipped, it's easier for some to wickedly make it their life's devotion to destroy the very religion that taught them the truth, and complain about how their family does not talk to them, as opposed to repenting. WHAT A COP OUT!!! Now you're crying because your supposedly brainwashed family doesn't want anything to do with you, FOR GOOD REASON! MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE THE NAMECALLING!!!!!! I am sick to my stomach to see how much hatred is going on here. I am even sicker that TLC or whatever has no empathy towards me for the simple and OBVIOUS reason that I am not on the same wagon she is. DO I HAVE TO BE? I think not. I call the bluffs, and when I see people taking the Lords name in vain which is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS HERE I TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!!!! Forgive me for losing it but I can't believe what is going on here. Here's a prophecy for you, watch all the names I will be called because what I say will rub those who this applies to the wrong way. UNBELIEVABLE!!! WHAT DOES NAME CALLING ACCOMPLISH?!?!?! What a disgusting display of bad manners. The lack of love and compassion and consideration for abuse victims is appalling to say the least. Do you honestly expect ANYONE that is impartial to listen to your message? Why are you trying SO HARD for people that I encounter door to door to assume that I'm a child abuser? I HAVE KIDS!!! That is SO DAMAGING! That is EVIL!!! All I have is love for kids, but you want my community to believe that I am a child abuser because I am a JW?? SICK!!!!! TWISTED!!!! Tell me, ISN'T THAT ONE OF YOUR GOALS? You think I'm going to stop preaching because I'll be afraid if you ever accomplish your evil goals? ILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT I AM NOT AFRAID OF MAN. I carry the name Jehovah with me and whatever happens happens. I'll let Jehovah decide what to do with me and in the meantime, I'll continue to preach a message of hope and peace and not one of hate. SLC\TLC YOU ARE SO PETTY THAT THE FACT THAT I DON'T USE A HANDLE WILL COMPEL YOU TO CALL ME NAMES. WHAT A JOKE!!! Jayson – I have been given the love and compassion I needed a LOOOOONG time ago, back when Bill Bowen used to sit on Judicial committees. You have absolutely no idea what the love I receive from the elders and congregations I have had the pleasure to be associated with. I compare it with the supposed love that is offered here and I wonder how you can make the statements you make in spite of the FILTH and GARBAGE that litters this place. Again, how do you have THE NERVE to compare what is being done here with what our Lord Christ was sent here to earth by Jehovah to do? And YOU'RE STILL BELIEVING THAT JESUS IS WOULD USE AN ABUSIVE PERSON TO DO HIS WORK?!?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING? RMK – Why do you equate my indignation of name calling and using our Lords name in vain to me claiming I am perfect? John and others use obscene language and disgusting descriptions of what they would like to see in people's rear ends. Do YOU think they are doing the Lord's work? You have absolutely no credibility when you refuse to see WHAT IS OBVIOUS. It really bothers you doesn't it when I say not to use the Lords name in vain. And calling me a liar? Are you suggesting that I made up the abuse that happened to me because I don't agree with the perversions that are on display here? This is really sickening, what a gross attempt to validate the abusive and threatening tones that rule most posts here.

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DALLAS PRESS CONFERENCE::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Ok, well we had 7people total to support the silent lambs. It was me,Valis, my roommate, country girl, and 3others from Oklahoma. We had 2 reports show. One was a talk radio station, and another was from a TV station---no camera though. The reporter from channel 8 is wanting us to do a documentary type thing. He wants us to keep in contact with him and email him info and he took all of our names and #'s. Before the conference started I passed out flyers right in front of the KH. A guy across the street came out to get a newspaper and I ran over and said "Well since you live right across the street from them you might want to know this," then I smiled and told him to have a nice day--LOL. We were holding up signs and everyone driving by couldn't ignore us---it was great!!!!! OH DID I FORGET TO MENTION THE JW's SHOWED UP??????????????????--LMAO One lady drove up in a mini-van and I had already placed the lamb on the front door (it faces the street--this KH is at a MAJOR intersection in Dallas and in a very snooty part of town) and I had also put a sign by the door--Valis has pics of it. Well, she went up to the door and the next thing we know we see the sign and the lamb in the middle of the driveway. She threw them on the ground and got back in her car. Well, she pulls up and actually stopped to talk to us. Well, I approached the door and she asked why we were there and I started to tell her and she told me we were in the wrong place--so I corrected her and told her we were definitely in the right place. She asked if we were JW's and I told her I was df. I thought for sure she would drive away but she stayed and kept talking to me and one of the ones from Oklahoma. There was a women in the back seat holding an infant and she started asking me ?'s too. She seemed very interested in what I had to say---I think it was the women's daughter in the back seat. Anyways the women in the front seat said we were causing the congregations problems by being there and she was going to call an elder (can you see me shaking LOL) so I told her to please do so---elders don't scare me--LOL. Well, about 10min later another car pulls up and a man gets out of the car. He told me I left my stuff(he was standing by the front door pointing at the lamb and sign). So, I told him I left it for him. He is on the cell phone the whole time and the woman in the car gets out and starts pulling the signs we had placed in the ground (we were going to leave them there). She looked pissed off as hell--LOL. Some of the signs said "Watchtower supports child abusers", "Jehovah's Witnesses support pedophiles", "Support silent lambs", etc. Well, before we they got the chance to throw us off the property(LOL) we all got together at a Mexican restaurant down the street---It was REALLY hot out and we needed to get something to drink. I passed out every single flyer I had and I am going to do it again cause it made me feel really good. That's all folks and Valis will be posting pics later, I don't know if he took pics when the dubs showed up---boy I hope so!!!! Love, Jesika

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THE Dallas press conference was posted on JW.com and I wanted to post it here too. Love Jesika Thoman

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This is for you, Nameless.... You think what you read here on this site is so perverted and sickening, I wonder what perversion in your heart keeps bringing you back? I will tell you what true perversion is: It is when elders tell the parents of a raped 5 year old girl that as she is no longer a virgin, she is forever unacceptable to Jehovah. It is when elders tell a beaten, battered wife that no matter what her husband tells her to do, she must submit to his rule as he is Jehovah's servant. This woman was beaten for refusing to give sexual services to her husband's friends so she was beaten almost to death. I could go on and on, but I would not want to be guilty of 'titillating' you. CJV, Ont. Can

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It is just about time to dsf the Nameless. He is one of the wolfs and senseless! My previous word to him is the last one.rmk

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Hey, awesome idea to leave a silent lamb at some local Kingdom halls after/before the walk.. or both times? With their presence alone the silent lambs won't be so silent...:) Keep up the awesome work everyone, striving to keep the Truth Alive~Thank you, thank you, thank you... Hugs, Kathy

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this comment is for the mole.. i hope you don't leave. i came to this site when the news came out in dateline and i seen your past writings and current. i am and will be upset at our loss with you gone. the brothers in placerville now want me removed as you predict if i spoke out, now the come each week asking questions even sending a C.O. to my house. you were right, he tested my faith and didn't hear my concerns. i refused to go out in service not feeling good preaching about something not sitting in my heart right. now they told me in our last meeting that I'm not following the commandment of christ. ....the brother that i mentioned who is an elder still sits on the body of elders. i told all his dui's, cheating on his wife, and assaults he committed but to no avail it meant nothing and he still df's those who oppose him. mole sorry you are discouraged but if you read this come back with more info.....to the mole from a friend....brother in placerville, ashly w....

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I left this cult and all of it's hypocrites 15 years ago. It was the best thing I could have ever done. I thank my almighty creator for the good and protection it gave me during the early years of my life, but my God reveal their evil ways and I had to leave. Your website is the best! I hope more people read it. Jehovah's Witness do not want their members to find the truth because they would leave this organization for good it they did.

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I left this cult and all of it's hypocrites 15 years ago. It was the best thing I could have ever done. I thank my almighty creator for the good and protection it gave me during the early years of my life, but my God reveal their evil ways and I had to leave. Your website is the best! I hope more people read it. Jehovah's Witness do not want their members to find the truth because they would leave this organization for good it they did. I met some genuine loving people. But I met some of the most evil immoral people of my life in that organization who have never been punished by that group and remain in good standing. If you have love for yourself and our creator do not become a Jehovah's Witness. They will use. And You will waste your life living the goals of someone else.' Nancy Jackson LAThing@aol.com

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I left this cult and all of it's hypocrites 15 years ago. It was the best thing I could have ever done. I thank my almighty creator for the good and protection it gave me during the early years of my life, but my God reveal their evil ways and I had to leave. Your website is the best! I hope more people read it. Jehovah's Witness do not want their members to find the truth because they would leave this organization for good it they did. I met some genuine loving people. But I met some of the most evil immoral people of my life in that organization who have never been punished by that group and remain in good standing. If you have love for yourself and our creator do not become a Jehovah's Witness. They will use. And You will waste your life living the goals of someone else.' Nancy Jackson LAThingNancy@aol.com

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Thank you for bringing that which was in darkness out to light. Your courage and sacrifice will be one that will be remembered by all, most of all by Jehovah God himself. Hold your heads up high on Sept. 27th, and let the world see the dirty little secrets the Watchtower hides! May Jah bless your efforts in helping the littlest of His flock.

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NANCY NARANJO; NEXT TO PERFECT ,why didn't the jews just wait on god. because their leaders like the gb were full of them selves.and like the fools in proverbs. refused reproof and were happy in their folly!!and like prov. 4;19 in their darkness they don,t see why they stumble ...jw defender ever read that verse . it,s next to jw,s favorite for when they screw up???????? I've been confronting wt-ites in the field and , told by more than 95% that the wt never prophecies the end of the world!! is this what they teach you in the king-DUM hall!!!to LIE TO HOUSE HOLDERS????????? JW DEFENDER WHY DON,T YOU MAKE EVEN A BIGGER FOOL OF YOURSELF!!!!AND QUESTION SOME OF THE GREAT POSTS WE BEEN READING..YOU NEVER HAD THE NERVE TO ANSWER ANY OF THE EXCELENT QUESTIONS ,LEFT HERE FOR YOU EXPOSING THE WT . YOU ONLY WANT TO SAY I,M MEAN,VIOLENT, ETC. WHEN YOU ACT REASONABLE I WILL TREAT YOU THE SAME. !!

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I DIDN,T SIGN ,SORRY I still have only one name and i don,t answer my own posts.... P>S> a lot of great new lambs around lately!!!freedom in christ for all........john

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SLC; that's right the only thing i see is LOVE HERE.I LOVE MY FELLOW MAN AND HATE PEOPLE WHO SCREW THE MEEKER ONES IN THIS WORLD..I DON,T need to only speak about the silent lambs, i tell all the lord has shown me. but I COME HERE FOR THE LAMBS AND RIGHTISHNESS FOR ALL...I EVEN LOVE NO NAME. ONE DAY WHEN HE GROWS UP , IN HIS PRAYERS HE WILL THANK ALL HERE FOR THE LESSONS HE HAS LEARNED....I HAVE A FEELING IT,S NOT AS FAR AWAY AS MANY THINK!!!!!!!!CHRISTIAn love ,,,,john

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talking about LOVE !!!!!WERE,S OUR GIRL "SOAPBOX" HOPE she gets her soap box back sooooooon!!!!!!!!i think i speak for all here!!!!!!!!!!!!no signature required.....

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SLC;;;OHHO HO OH HO HO!!!!!!!!!OH YOU CHITTY ,CHITTY "BANG-BANG" WE LOVE YOU (JWS)---HI lo any way you go CHITTY-CHITTY ----"BANG!-BANG!" WE (jws) FOLLOW YOU (fds) la ,LA,LA ,LAla . i still have the LP RECORD ......WHO CAN FORGET THE GREAT BOOM! BOOM1 THAT CAME OUT OF CHITTY,S EXHAUST AS THE MUSIC CAME TO AN END!!!!!!!! GO AHEAD JW DEFENDERS TELL ME I,M SATAN , FOR POSTING THE "truth" your gods sprit directed leader chosen over every man on earth .to give the proper spiritual food at the proper time IS A HOMO!!!!!!!!!!JOHN

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This I believe is the purpose of this web site, As I see it, Correct me if I am wrong; 1) To Give a place were sex abused X-JW's or JW's can come for understanding and hopefully closure (this Can and does Include other forms of WT Abuse) 2) To Have a place were Changes To the GB's insane policy on reporting child abuse can be organized and carried out. 3) To vent our anger to those who would have a policy that would punish the Lamb and Embrace the perpetrators. We want to feel free to report abuse to the Police Without Guilt that we are bringing reproach on the WTBTS to do so. Impossible. We think not. Because of this God Given Mission were Kickin' Butt and Taking Names.. Our Kids & Future Kids are counting on us, We must succeed...NP

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Dear William... In your story you never mentioned whether or not you still believe the Witnesses have the TRUTH or not. Has the veil been lifted? I too was a JW for 28 years, I am now 45. I have found freedom in Christ.I pray you have also. Love...Robin Dyess

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I was going to reply to Nameless but after I read his/her posts carefully I decided it was a complete waste of time. nan

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to bro in Placerville, i too have had problems in my hall, it sounded like you have written many times here. what dates have you written? I'm interested to know what happened. i have read moles short messages and was enlighten this last month, i will read more on mole the more months i go back. i wont let the brothers in my hall bully me into doing something I'm not comfortable with. i live in auburn california with my two children and it scares me that i have been with this group for over five years now and seen some things that really bring to question if this group is being lead by holy spirit. if creeps can rape and hurt children and no apology given it is time to rethink my religion.. thanks placerville. mole i don't know you but glad i read your stuff so far.-------tracy w. in auburn

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Many years ago, when I was still stinging under the lash of these elders who had cast me out of their presence and back to a husband who used and severely abused me, I set out to teach each one of them the error of their ways. I had already learned more about the Bible than I had ever had the chance to learn under the tutelage of the JW's.I had spent 6 months with nothing but a copy of Strong's Concordance and the King James Bible.The first to meet with me was my own father.(or at least the man who raised me) I reminded him that the old law had been abolished by Christ and he quite agreed. I then asked him which of the ten commandments we no longer have to keep? Oh, he says, we still keep them all. REALLY!! THEN WHY DON'T YOU KEEP THE SABBATH? His jaw dropped and he tried to tell me that he does keep it, but I pointed out that GOD'S sabbath is on the 7th day, not the 1st. "Oh, well, time has been lost" he floundered. Once time was lost, when the Israelites were in Egypt, but God used the miracle of the manna after he got them out into the desert. They got the message or starved for a day.( Nehemiah 9, notably verse 14) The Sabbath was a sign between God and Isreal...a perpetual covenant. (Exodus 31:16) I then pointed out the huge # of bible prophesies about how God will mete out his wrath in the End Time BECAUSE YE HAVE DEFILED MY SABBATH. So, I ask again, why do you not keep the Sabbath? He got a sick headache and went home without answering me. Next, an uncle . of course I waited a decent length of time, so they'd forget. Uncle offered to have a Bible study with me. I eagerly agreed that I would enjoy a BIBLE study. A time was set up, and Uncle showed up with one of his stupid little books. "What is this," I ask in feigned innocence. "This is the book we will be studying," says he. NOW JUST HOLD ON HERE! YOU PROMISED ME A BIBLE STUDY, NOT A BOOK STUDY! YOU LIED YOUR WAY INTO MY HOME IN HOPES OF DUPING ME INTO SOMETHING I NEVER WOULD HAVE AGREED TO!! GET OUT, LIAR!! Oh but that felt GOOD! No wonder they began to call me "demonized"!! I laid low for several months, then one day I hopped into a taxi that happened to be driven by one of my tormenting elders!! God must have put that one into my hands because what happened next was priceless!! He never even looked at me, so he never knew it was me until it was too late. Lying on the seat beside him, was an open copy of a Penthouse magazine!! He had been reading it when I approached the car, and put it down to drive me to my destination. So, just as we arrived, I casually asked, "WHEN DID THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY BEGIN TO PRINT PORNOGRAPHY?" He snapped out of his trance in one hell of a hurry! He looked like I had just BRANDED HIM WITH A HOT IRON. I got out of the cab, and went to pay the man for my taxi fare, but he burned rubber out of there, so the ride was free. I stood there laughing, waving the money at him as he sped off. Later, that same elder accused my younger brother of having sex with me. I guess he thought it would take some of the heat off him to spread a lie about me. I just laughed, but my brother was pretty hurt . Anyhow, just thought you'd enjoy my experience at payback. CJV Ont, Can

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Harvey, You and I go way back. Our families have been friends for years. I am currently disfellowshipped and have been wanting to talk to you for a long time. I am truly sorry about what your daughter experienced. I am not enclosing my name (my parents are elderly and I don't want to cause them any pain) you can contact me at kmykr@aol.com. I am not contacting you as an ex-jw or a bitter person, just as an old friend. If you think back to lots of snow in MO and sliding down hills when we were teenagers I think you may remember who I am. Hope to here from you.

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Hi, I'm a College Student. My girlfriend and I have been following your cause for quite awhile. We agree that pedophiles need to be reported to the proper author ties and do hope all of you find some type of closure to all of this. I'm studying to go into some type of social work(I might change) while my girlfriend would like to pursue journalism (good luck). We have some questions and would like to get some thoughts about them. I hope some of you will be so kind to help us. I think we have missed something. We understand the situation and some of the stories are very touching. Let's say that the Watchtower higher-ups did decide to change the policy, Is there any guarantee that all Jehovah's Witnesses will follow it? The reason for the question:We have noticed that rules and even the simplest rules have been made throughout the centuries and do people in general ever follow them? My Girlfriend had a Jehovah Witnesses pamphlet showing how many members they have present. You can make the rules but all of them are not going to follow it. We also heard in the news that there were going to be a lawsuit against these higher-ups for creating these laws. Would that be kind of a gray area so to speak since these higher-ups wasn't the ones that actually molested the victims? Like I stated there might be some things that we have missed. If that could be cleared up we would appreciate it. We both hope all the victims will find some type of closure to this awful situation. Sincerely, College Student and Another College Student

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To Nameless, You are right many here ar DA or Df'd. I have a question for you. How old do you feel a person has to be to get married? That is to make the right decision since they will be spending the rest of their life with someone? 18? 20? 25? How come it is then that the organization let me at 12 make a decision (getting Baptized) that will affect them the rest of their life? At that age you only know what your parents have taught you and you want to please them. Was I at 12 mature enough to know the magnitude of my decision? I had never even studied other religions, had not had much experience at all with the real world and had been living in the protective "bubble". I chose to leave on my own accord when I was 17 because of issues I was facing at home. No I was not your normal teenager. Straight A's, aux. pioneered all summer, held regular talks and was a 'model' for all young girls at our hall. My mother was a regular pioneer and my step father a PO. I would be a totally different person had I not been raised a jw and I am thankful I was. I look at things differently know and keep my eyes open wider. However, why should I be judged for a decision I made when I was 12, a baby, and did not know any better. I have made my peace with God and have a very good life. I am 30 with a wonderful family. The funny thing is I am the happiest one out of my brothers & sisters (there were 6 of us) and I am the only one who left. I have have more than one of them secretly tell me they have doubts and one even stopped praying and cried when I encouraged her to do it saying "What would everyone say knowing my df'd sister is the one who made me feel good enough to pray again?" My point is, many of us are being judged in a wrong way. I have studied my bible repented for my wrong doings and am sure I will meet God in heaven one day. Hopefully you will see if you pray hard and look deep that finding a religion that is "close" to the bible isn't good enough. "The kingdom of god is in YOU" not a kingdom hall. Jenn

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hello my name is ISAIAS GOMES . I LIVE IN PORTUGAL END I LIKE VERY MACTH .

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To College Students: These higher ups as you call then HAVE actually molested the little ones. By their policy of protecting the molesters, they sacrifice more and more little ones every day. Perhaps you should READ the rest of the sites here before you judge that which you do not know. Those who tell are effectively and efficiently SHUT UP so that the next victim will be taken unaware. You do not know what you are speaking about. Educate yourself, my college student friend. When your eyes have opened, come back and let us know. CJV Ont, Can

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Last night, I saw a piece on the local news about "silentlambs." I immediately called my best friend, and we cried and cried. Having been raised as JW's, we can relate to the pain so many are feeling on this issue. I can name at least 5 girls, myself included, who were abused in our congregation. What is sad is that it is the main reason I and the others left the organization. Had we not been told to that it was our fault for various reasons, we'd probably all still be members. Through several years of counseling, I and my best friend have dealt with it. Some were not so fortunate. We all deal with the scars every day, my faith has been shook to its core. Elders are not professionals, they are JW ministers, having no formal education beyond what the society has taught them to do on these matters. I wish parents of victims would realize that. A "wordly" professional counselor is better than an untrained, unprofessional elder. AM, Seattle, WA amtmhj@hotmail.com

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TO: College Student and Another College Student .RE . Like I stated there might be some things that we have missed. . . There is a major point that you have missed. It is the effect of shunning on the life of Jehovah's Witness. I can understand that for a person would is not a member this would be difficult or impossible to understand. As an experiment, tomorrow pretend that EVERY person who is your friend or is a family member acts like you do not exist. Tomorrow your own mother WILL NOT speak to you, your sister will NOT take your phone calls, if you meet your best friend at the grocery store she will look right thru you. NO ONE loves you, NO one cares, you are all alone. Now pretend you know about or have been a victim of sexual abuse and if you tell the POLICE or the other members you WILL be punished. This is a quiet unwritten policy but it uses the effect of PEER PRESSURE and SHUNNING to achieve the results. Now go to this OFFICIAL WATCHTOWER site and read about disfellowshipping. They are very proud of their policy. Pretend every word applies to YOU because you want to tell the TRUTH about a Child molester in your hall. http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/311131isdn.htm . . . Read this http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1988/4/15/article_01.htm . . . And then with this background information come back and ask me some questions regarding policy chances. Sincerely, Nan (Nancy Naranjo)

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As a semi-active JW....in the past 3 mo. I have gone from active to semi-active...I too disagree with allowing 12 yr.olds to get baptized. How in the world do they know what they want to dedicate their lives to? As a parent, I wouldn't allow my 12 yr. old to be baptized. I think some parents feel that if they get baptized early then it will keep them from straying but actually what usually happens is when they reach their teens, they do something to get df'd, then you have to deal with that issue. But it looks good for the cong. and the organization to have 'another one baptized.' And it makes parents feel that their child will now be spared during Armageddon AND they have done a good job of teaching their child the 'truth' because he/she is now BAPTIZED...wrong motives, people, wrong motives, and our children pay the price. Well, I'll get off my 'soapbox' and let the real 'soapbox' stand up. :)) Spokane 2 jazbug55@aol

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I am still driving to the library to do my work - they give me an hour only, so the last couple of trips I did not get on line at all .....do not know how to retrieve email. The good news is I will have a computer next week at home - insurance paid for me spilling the wine - I feel guilty!!! I have been out collecting lambs at garage sales last weekend - I have one for John - a musical lamb that plays Jesus Loves Me....I hope you are all okay! I worry and think about Linda, Loris, Bonnielyn, Cheerleader and of course John - and everyone else - I will have big catch up - to do. Work is too stressful and I am taking a week off to try and regroup. Mediacom gave me an address to pick up my email - I am going to try, but I haven't picked up my email in two weeks. Love, Claudine aka soapbox.

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06 Sep 2002
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TO. . . AM, Seattle, WA and other survivors. You have suffered so much and you have been silent to protect THEM so NOW if you can do it . . . . . . . …..speak up …..email editors ……TO EVERYONE ELSE>>>>>LET'S MARCH SEPT 27th … . . . … Silence and shame protected the Catholic Church and one of its dirtiest secrets for years. And church officials made the right assumption: If you can't see it, no one will believe it is happening and, more importantly, victims who are shamed and controlled will be quiet, silenced by a sense of complicity and sin. What if all those alleged male sexual assault survivors who went on “60 Minutes” and “20/20” had their faces covered with a gray dot? What if no newspapers or magazines had been willing to publish their names? How much credibility or validity or power can you have when you have no face and no name? Would the public have believed these things had happened if faces had not been attached to the charges? http://www.artvoice.com/august15_august21_2002/pages/coverstory.html

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06 Sep 2002
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Please get in touch with me. I had been abused since I was 8 years old. Mostly sexually. It makes me want to cry for those who are still being abused. Honestly, I thought it was just me. I have pretty much been away from it in my adult years. My Mom remained a JW until she died in March. You can't imagine how it feels to find a site like this. I no longer feel alone. dancingmoonlite@aol.com

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06 Sep 2002
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To CJV Ont Can>>>>> YOU GO GIRL!!!!!! I've been sitting here reading your posts, and I'm floored! I'm so proud of you for roaring!!! You hang in there, it's gonna get better! We will not be silenced ever again, and DAMN it feels good!!! Linda Thoman

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06 Sep 2002
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To Claudine....Just wanted to reply to your post. I'm doing just fine, no need to worry about me. This Lamb has grown CLAWS! I'm roaring as loud as any LION could! Jesika, me, and several others had a blast the other night making up the signs for the press conference here in Dallas and preparing the flyers being distributed, etc. I've been copying these flyers and have been putting them out everywhere I go! You should see my car!!!! I have the flyer taped on my side windows for everyone to read, wherever I go. I also made up another one that says, Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Pedophiles, that is right next to the other ones. Lots of people have stayed right along with me while driving to read it, and I've seen people reading them while my car is parked, etc. See, this girl is roaring!!! I've been talking today with a reporter for the Dallas Morning News, and she's been visiting this site and compiling her information for the article/piece they plan to do soon. So you see, I'm doing just fine. hehehehe Linda Thoman

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06 Sep 2002
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Hey JAYSON! How's it going? I finally had a chance to check the guestbook and just thought I'd say hello. Hi John, Hi Claudine, Hi John, Hi "country girl", and everyone else I know here. "I feel good, na na na na na na na"!!! LOL (James Brown for you youngins) Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com

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06 Sep 2002
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< WOW!!!!!> 9 people attended the Dallas press conference. What a turnout! The propaganda machine is really rolling hard for you guys now. Just think, 9 people in a city of what, 2 or 3 Million? That has got to work out to at least a .0000000001% Ratio!!! With all the press conferences around the US that big Billy had planned, I bet you at least 50 showed up! Keep up the good work at exposing the evil JW's. Now I know what the "silent" part in silent lambs means. It means that in the big picture such a minority of complainers with a chip on their shoulders really don't have much of a voice, you are and will be silenced even further!Stay tuned for details. <***Trollman***> RJ

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06 Sep 2002
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WOW!!!JESIKA; SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A GREAT DAY .WITNESSING FOR GOD AND EXPOSING A FALSE CHRIST.. WOW!!! THE JW,S GOT PISSED OFF!!!!!WHAT HAPPENED . TO THE FRUITS OF THE SPRIT!!!!!JW,S LOVE TO DISH IT OUT. FUNNY HOW THEY CAN,T TAKE IT!!!!!!!!! wow!!!!you have just given most here real joy in their hearts!!!!i can,t put i words how proud i am of ya'll ..get ready all the jw defenders are going to bash you......john

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06 Sep 2002
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Does anyone know for a fact that the WBTS has changed its policy on reporting child abuse to now reporting it to the Police, if so I would like to read the letter instructing the Elders to do so, I need to see it in writing if it does in fact exist,or if this is smoke and mirrors from Brown. Has anyone found this letter, I know Elders will not change there policy unless it is sent to them in writing...NP

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06 Sep 2002
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RJ, I was going to explain to you in simple terms but basically my only thought is your an ass and I believe probably a pervert or you would understand the seriousness of pedophilia and the harm a pedophile does to a child. If only one voice speaks to let others know then that is great. This subject has been taboo to long and hidden. Pull your head out and begin to feel for others Sheila M

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06 Sep 2002
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To Jeskika, Claudine and the new ones that have posted: You guys are so great for speaking up stay strong Peace Sheila

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06 Sep 2002
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06 Sep 2002
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When I was driving home the other day I noticed a group of union workers picketing a local factory. They were complaining about low wages and supposed bad work conditions. I read many of their sign which told of their complaints against the company. Some said "we work for a sweatshop" others said "I'd rather be homeless than work for peanuts" I though to myself...man it must be really bad there. When I got home I turned on the news and there was a story about this particular unions cause. The reporter stated how the workers wanted a raise from 16.00 to 18.00 an hour. Then I said what!!! 16.00 an hour for working in an air conditioned factory with full health benefits! I make $14.40 an hour with benefits and I was tickled to death with it. I then found myself not feeling so sorry for them and feeling more sorry for myself. When driving by the protesters they would rant and rave, flash their signs, yell at passing cars etc. I then though about how silly this made them look. What a bunch of wackos! After actually hearing the truth about their conditions at work it made me laugh at them. Their crazy antics of marching and holding up signs etc. only made them a laughing stock of passerby. What is the moral of this story? Well you see my dear friends you are the wackos! You think that by holding up signs and prancing around with stuffed animals you are helping your cause. What you don't realize is that when people see such antics they just simply think you are another dissatisfied wacko! It does nothing to further your cause. It does just the opposite. So keep planning your marches with stuffed animals, keep making homemade signs that look really professional, keep shouting at passerby and picking fights with people you don't even know and then maybe the next time a press conference is call in Dallas maybe 10 people will show up instead of 9. <***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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06 Sep 2002
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16:48:54
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Sheila the only ass in here is none other than yourself! I have accomplished my purpose. Think about it! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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06 Sep 2002
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16:53:50
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I have just read some of the stories on the Abused Lambs and Battered Lambs - they are heartbreaking - I feel for every single one of you and my heart goes out to you. The "brothers" act a bit like the Freemasons or the gentlemen's club portrayed in The Stepford Wives films and that is how they expect women to behave (like Stepford Wives). I read an article written in the Awake or Watchtower which said that we have smaller brains than men - ha ha very funny - I am a member of Mensa with an IQ of 133 - I wonder how many brothers (with larger brains) can beat that!!! After all, most "brothers" hold down pretty menial jobs in worldly terms. Also, if it wasn't for the sisters JWs would be down three-quarters on their numbers! Jan, UK

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06 Sep 2002
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16:56:50
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Sheila the only ass in here is none other than yourself! I have accomplished my purpose. Think about it! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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06 Sep 2002
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By the way Sheila since you are so good at making accusations directed at me i.e.,"you are probably a pervert" Are you a lesbian? Have a good weekend end Shelia! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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06 Sep 2002
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cjv love how you find it so easy to make lairs out of jw,s and make them go into full zombie mode!!! i find it doing the lords work, to watch jw,s stumble ,and break the commandment not to lie!!!!!the only WAY to protect a false god is to lie!!!!it is taught non stop in the kingDUM HALL!!!!!NO NAME I WROTE YOU A BEAUTIFUL POST ,BUT I LOST IT ON MY COMPUTER!!I HAVE NEVER USED THE TRUE GOD,S NAME IN VAIN...YOUR GOD IS A DIFFERENT STORY!!!!MY GOD SPEAKS TO ME ONLY THROUGH HIS INSPIRED WORD!!!!YOUR GOD SPEAKS TO YOU FROM BROOKLYN!!!IN EVER CHANGING BELIEFS!!!MY GOD DON,T CHANGE, OR TACK IN THE WIND. HIS WORD IS SET IN STONE. GOD DOESN,T HAVE NEW LIGHT. THE TRUE GOD DON,T SEND CHILD MOLESTERS PUSHING WT SLAVERY DOOR TO DOOR...THE TRUE GOD DON,T TELL VICTIMS IF THEY GO TO THE GOD APOINTED LAW OF THE LAND. THAT HE WILL DESTROY THEM...IT,S JUST THE OPPISITE. OYU SAY YOU WERE ABUSED, I WONDER HOW MANY OTHERS THIS GREAT JW ABUSED!!!!EVERY TIME YOU POST IT,S YOU WHOP IS USING THE TRUE GOD,S NAME I VAIN. BY SAYING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE WT. WHEN JW,S DO THAT THEY ARE IN FACT MAKING THE WT THEIR GOD!!!!!!I TRUELY THINK YOU SEE THE WT IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE. I THINK MANY HERE CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE...THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS DIED TO FREE ALL, HE DIED FOR OUR SINS BECAUSE GOD LOVED US ALL HE WANTS ALL TO BE WITH HIM FOREVER.WE ARE ALL SONS OF ABRAHAM .ALL YOU NEED IS THE NEVER CHANGING ONE. NOT SOME CHURCH OR HOUSE OF WORSHIP. SET UP BY MAN...IT,S SO VERY SIMPLE WHEN ONE TRUELY REACHES SPRITUAL MATURITY IT BECOMES VERY PLAIN....I KNOW I,M ALL READY SAVED. IT,S A FREE GIFT. THE GOSPEL SAYS SO!!!!I KNOW I SIN BUT THERE,S ONLY ONE WHO DIED FOR ME!!AND IT,S JESUS I WILL NOT FOLLOW ANY OTHER MAN!!!THE WT DOES NOTHING BUT DRAG PEOPLE DOWN WITH THEIR YOKE OF RULES AND GUILT TRIPS. ON THE OTHER HAND JESUS UP LIFTS ALL IN FAITH AND JOY IN HIS SACRAFICE IN DEATH . PLEASE JUST READ A BIBLE (NOT THE NWT) THAT,S WHY IT WAS PRINTED. TO BRING ALL TO GOD , THERE IS NO OTHER BOOK REQUIRED...JOHN

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06 Sep 2002
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17:38:52
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Who feeds you people and where do you get all of this time? Go out, get a job, get a life! losers...

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06 Sep 2002
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CJV YOU ARE RIGHT .COLLEGE STUDENT NEEDS MORE JW EDUCATION. IT,S HARD TO EXPLAIN TO WORLDLY PEOPLE. I THINK THE SOFT TOUCH WORKSN BETTER WITH SO CALLED WORLDLY ONES. AS WE EXPLAIN MORE AND MORE. IT'S NOT HARD TO GET THROUGH TO THEM, AS THEY HAVE OPEN MINDS. AND ARE NOT UNDER MIND CONTROL. ALL WE NEED IS TO STATE THE FACTS TO THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL IN TIME THEY WILL GET THE PICTURE....SAVE THE BASHING FOR MIND CONTROLED ZOMBIES!!!!!JOHN

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06 Sep 2002
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18:53:15
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RJ Your illustration of workers picketing for higher wages is inappropriate illogical and frankly just very stupid. There is no doubt as far as I can see that you are one of the serving DOGS of the WT Criminals. You sound like a complete Moron.RMK

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06 Sep 2002
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TROLL MAN, I have a hard time understanding your objectives. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It seems to be---THANK GOODNESS no one knows what is happening in the congregations. You continually point out the lack of media concern, you make fun of Connie Chung's name (which I assume is prejudice against Asians) today you are busily poking fun at the Press Conferences. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . So, Troll man, let's examine the facts: There are 281.4 million Americans according to the 2000 census. There are 64 million Catholics. So more than 1 in five American's are Catholic and if I recall correctly it has taken almost 20 years for the Catholic Church to receive much coverage on the Sex Abuse Scandal. Who is next on the list of large religions: Southern Baptist Convention, United Methodist Church, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Church of God in Christ, you won't find Jehovah's Witnesses until number 24. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jehovah's Witnesses make up less than 1 in 281 Americans. Now that might keep them busy in field service but it doesn't spell a lot of media interest. However, since May 28 and Dateline's airing there has been a major press story approximately every 10 days. Today the Seattle area in particular received plenty of press. It might be good to remember that the Louisville Courier-Journal had the courage to break the McCarthy Era Tyranny. But back to YOUR OBJECTIVES: It isn't protecting the children, it isn't a desire for justice, and it is simply a malicious mocking attack on the victims. Keep it up, it shows the world what kind of people Jehovah's Witnesses are deep inside. And if you need a name to rant and rave at------------use mine: Nancy Naranjo

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06 Sep 2002
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RJ' You accomplished nothing here. Just wasted your time. the page is functioning just fine. We continue pursuing the WT Criminals with more passion and efficiency than ever before. The Silent Lambs are pursuing WT GB with their claims through Courts and the WT is loosing money and prestige if they ever had any. It is going to be much worse before God gives it the final blow. God is not with you and the WT Society is condemned by Jehovah since before the creation of the world as a False Prophet. You accomplished nothing except showed us that we must continue to protect those that were hurt and prevent hurting those that do not know who you are yet.rmk

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06 Sep 2002
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RJ- (No hidden meaning I hope that you can read this and accept it at face value.) I have learned much from yours and other posts. After being so ruthlessly attacked by the JW's in my family it has been hard to regain my spiritual equilibrium...“Blessings in Disguise.” by Emily Matthews…..The world is full of miracles to those who recognize them, but we have to look the right way since God sometimes will disguise them. He shines his light in places where we'd least expect Him to, And often does the opposite of what we think He'll do….He has a way of bringing out the best within the worst. The moment we stop worrying and chose to put him first, and if we do He'll pull us through and help us find the door. That very thing we'd been looking for. Sometimes things are hard to understand, but I believe that your faith will see you through. Please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you.-Jayson

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06 Sep 2002
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RJ ; WHAT ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE MINUMIUM WAGE.THE WT ALWAYS PRINTS HOW PEOPLE ARE SLAVES OR INDENTURED SERVENTS TO A MASTER. HOW MUCH DOES A BETHALITE GET A MONTH I KNOW FOR FACT UP TILL 10 YRS AGO IT WAS $14 A MONTH THEN THE GB GOT NEW LIGHT . THE SLAVES GOT A RAISE TO $20 ha HAHA I KNOW THEY GET FREE ROOM AND BROAD. WHAT DOES THAT COST THE WT.I HAVE GOTTEN ROOM AND BOARD LAST YR. FOR $100 A WEEK . IN THE REAL WORLD WITH TAXS AND ALL. I WOULD SAY IT COST THE WT $50 A WEEK TO ROOM AND BOARD BETHELITES.AND NOW I HERE THEY GET $100 A MONTH.... NOW LETS DO THE MATH 40-50 A WEEK IN A HOT NOISEY SWEATSHOP!!PLUS MANATORY FIELD SERV. IN ALL PARTS OF NEW YORK. WHAT IS IT 2-3- DAYS A WEEK ANDF THEY HAVE TO PAY THERE OWN TRANSIT FARES..... AT LEAST 10 -$20 A WEEK!!!!WITH REQUIRED FIELD SERV. AND WORK IN THE FACTORY YOU ARE TALKING AT LEAST 60 HRS A WEEK TIMES THAT 4 A MONTH YOU GET @240 A MONTH ...AT $100 PAY PLUS @$200 FOR ROOM AND BOARD IS $300 DIVIDE THAT BY 240 HOURS A MONTH AND YOU GET A GRAND TOTAL!!!!!!!!!!!OF ??????????$1.25 AN HOUR!!!!!!!!!!!CHANGE THE NUMBERS AROUND AND YOU CAN,T DO BETTER THAN $2.00 AN HOUR. AGAIN I CAN ALSO FIND .75 CENTS AN HOUR. FOR AN ORG. THAT IS NO PART OF THIS WORLD AND MAKES BILLIONS A YEAR ON WALL STREET AND MILLIONS A WEEK OFF THEIR MAGIZINES, AND CHARGES LOCAL KINGDUM HALLS INTREST ON THE LOANS TO BUILD NEW KINGDUM HALLS ETC. AND TELL THE BROTHERS TO DIG DEEP AND FILL THE CONTRABUTION BOXES .AT ASSEMBLIES AND HALLS ETC. I HAVE HEARD THIS MANY TIMES WITH MY OWN EARS..... HOW CAN THE WT PRINT HOW PEOPLE IN SOUTH AMERICA ARE GETTING SCREWED FOR ONLY GETTING PAYED A DOLLAR AN HOUR. FOR SOME BIG COMPANY , WHEN THE WT DOES THE SAME IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE LAWS AGAINST SLAVERY !!!!!!!!!! GO AHEAD RJ AND NOW HOW THEY ARE VOLENTEERS FOR YOUR MONEY HUNGRY INCORPORATION- I MEAN GOD ORG. IN BROOKLYN THE WT SCREWED MORE PEOPLE THEN .....ENRON CORP,,,,,I,M ALL OVER YOU LIKE A CHEAP JW SUIT THE WT MAKES YOU WEAR TO TRY TO MAKE YOU LOOK RESPECTABLE... ..........TRY TO BULL ALL HERE WITH ONE OF YOUR BRAIN DEAD ANSWERS TO THIS!!!!!!!!!GROW UP AND BE A MAN??????????JOHN

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To John and especially to College Students...It is true that I reacted with anger instead of love when I answered your post. I am sorry. Of course it is so hard for others to understand the impossible situation we are put in. Freedom is speech is so fundamental, especially in North America. For us, that freedom did not exist. We were cut off, and considered dead. (Dead men & women tell no lies. They don't tell the truth either. You can't hear the voices of the dead) The very ones who should have been loving us would not even see us if they passed us on the street.We didn't know anyone else, because we had been cut off from the world while in the church. So we truly were alone. The true God stayed with me, and sent angels to bear me up, and I eventually came to know how truly BLESSED I am to be among the 'dead', for in death I have found eternal life with my Saviour, Jesus Christ. This does not mean I don't still get angry when I think of other girls (and boys) who are even now going through the hell that I did at the hands of JW's. Anyway, I apologize for my outburst, and hope you will not give up in your search for truth in all things. Thank you John for gently pointing out my error. Love to all...even Trollman. CJV Ont Can

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WAIT A MINUTE*************ALL SILENT LAMBS HERE &&&&&&&&&& NO NAME @@@@@@@@@@HAS FOUND US ALL OUT ?????? WE ARE NOW ALL HOMOSEXUALS ...AND WE 'RE MOLESTING CHILDREN .....IN FACT THIS SITE IS TO CONSEAL HOW WE PROTECT EACH OTHER IN OUR RAPE OF JW'S ...NO NAME YOU ARE TOOOOO!!!!SMART FOR US?????JOHN

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06 Sep 2002
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Linda- I am doing good. And thank you very much for asking.-Jayson

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06 Sep 2002
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RJ, No I don't think I am, at least my husband of 20 years seems more than happy with me. TSK TSK Did I get to close to your real problem>....To answer your question logically someone that is lesbian or gay has a sexual orientation it does not make them a pervert or in clinical terms dear RJ(AKA ASS) a pedophile. Again you have no concept of the reality of the situation, only ignorant asses would laugh at people exercising their RIGHT IN AMERICA to pick it or protest. So again you have proven that your have your head placed somewhere where it's very dark and the light of intelligent thought can't get in. As I said your an ass RJ and you keep proving my point Sheila M

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John, Hey do you think RJ is mad because he only make $14.40 an hour, hmmm must be an unskilled laborer. LOL Funny I'm going to school to further my education but I haven't worked for under $15.00 for YEARS and I am in my late thirties. Hmmm May BEEEEEE he is mad because the fast food industry doesn't appreciate him LOL Well, John Trolls never learn huh LOL I told my husband RJ thinks I'm a lesbian LOL He is laughing his butt off .... Tolls in Tolkien get turned to stone I wonder what will happen to our Troll LOL Sheila M

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Remote user 14:38:52 Hmm Well most of us work and for myself and my hubby we own our own business, he has finished his first novel and I am attending school working on a novel myself. So hmmm we seem to have a life but take time for venting the anger that is still there from over a zillion years in a cult. GEE, would your rather we drank or drugged our way into oblivion or come here to try to vent and heal??? Peace Sheila M

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i couldn't help but repost this again. it was so lovely of true heart. Hey mole, this was great. a gift from tracy wallace of auburn. I was in love with an older man and my family threaten to shun me if i dated him. TJS of sacto if you see this hi. mole this is beautiful, everyone read this! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***Requiem of a jehovah's witness family***** In the past years it has come to a boiling point for all our family of certain things that exist and will permeate all facets of our lives even more so than now. As things progress our family has digressed to a nature that cannot be labeled but only explained. As the years pass and the Matriarch of the family grows older our families last and only adhesive will soon be gone. It is my fear as one of the only of two in our family who can pass on our legacy, will dissipate as soon as our beloved mother and my Grandma leaves us. I grieve everyday of what I see as a so called family especially labeled as a True Christian family to come to so much defiance and lying that it can only be described as sickening. Many complain and has chosen sides of a battle field no one knows the boundaries or the war. Is what I say wrong or do we as people, family, and true Christians see the glass walls we have chosen? As the oldest grandson but also the last son of Grandma as she feels, She has nothing to offer me such as material things only the wealth of loving me for whom I am as a person and to give counsel in her own loving way. Whether I take it or not she tells me it's my free choice and using the wisdom she has taught me to make my way while all along all of you have lived your lives and ignored her going against the very scripture you preach door to door. But what I have seen of the family has grieved me so, to the point to right this letter to all members of our family. I shall try to stay objective and stay true, so forgive me if I have offend you but all must know and read what I have to say and make your own conclusion. First the taking of sides not knowing the whole facts, Little Mikey's wedding the most important day of his life, NOT one of our family MEMBERS ever used their free choice of conscience of will. Was it not Aunt Carmen and Uncle Mike who suggested to everyone not to show and made such a scandal of it to embarrass the family itself? Why were members in her family who are Jehovah's Witnesses attend and give gifts and excepted Little Mikey as a brother and family member? Even I was under threat and was accused of being rebellious if I attend. What is interesting is that Mikey was not disfellowshipped? So why where told not to attend his wedding because his wife was worldly? I thought if you borrowed some money you paid it back whether or not you're worldly or a Jehovah's Witness. Any worldly person knows that, yet we posses the mental capabilities to forget so quickly and ask for money only to give the song and dance of why you cant pay yet in your same breath you accuse those in the Kingdom Hall spiritually weak if they use the same excuses not to pay back. My dad has the power to take away a home and yet he holds back in fear of only one thing, keeping his family and friends close. So why deprive of him of his friends and family. Once an agreement is signed that's it, right? I have always liked Ashley and felt some mutual bond with him so its nothing personal, but the fact is the fact, if you owe and signed the dotted lines your ass is in the sling. Now here is the kicker. We have an elder in our mist that was seen with another woman and was drunk at a bar. This elder asks an individual who walked in hours later to cover his story or get an ass kicking. Is it true? I was threatened when he came to my home. I want to know does this elder and so-called brother of the faith have the love to pay back the $2,000.00 loan for his bail for the D.U.I. or can he say not? But he can accuse and point a finger to wrong doers within his eyesight and no one will question his motives for doing so. Is it the boy who cried wolf in Uncle Dan's case when he yells apostate to his brother? Should we keep the pitchforks and torches ready each night for the crucifixion? We are civilized, yet we act no better then Spanish inquisitors of 1600's. Uncle your words and actions are your own damnation. Keep your accusation for your own grave none of the living care. Another thing, I was told that my daughter is being corrupted for using E-net and E-mail and it is the work of Satan. Yes, this is what I was told and headhunters came to my home investigating such allegations. Are we now to cower when something new comes out? Fear of the new brings questionings, to be labeled apostate if your small minds don't understand. Do I live in Salem in fear of being accused of a witch? Uncle could send his minions to do his bidding to search out guilt, so then it must be that we are guilty first? Is it not we are innocent first? Well, what can we say, get the stake and nails, we will moan after the fact, right? Your actions as a family for doing nothing are proof enough of the vile and septic mentality in which we glory ourselves as Jehovah's slaves. My family is the a good example of being a false Lover of Christ teachings. Family unity now is further away than before. Can we say in 10 or 20 years from now that any of us or family members will even now each other, or are we condemned to walk past each other not knowing who the other is. Are we to drive away our blood for strangers who come and go throughout our lives? All we have is but us, Jehovah blessed families who where unified not divided. Uncle Sammy and I are the only ones to pass on our names. I have begged the family at the gatherings I attended and subtly asked where did Grandpa's stuff go. What hurts the most is that those who have it won't share it. Even one of our family members evicted from his home didn't call anyone to come and get grandpa's yard tools. Yet it was left to go to the dump. This was the family love that our organization taught then it would be better to be a catholic, what's the difference from one liar to another? Sam and me have but our stories to tell and nothing to show. While all of you where gone, it was Sammy, Grandpa and me who would go together and do things. Yet family members took stuff not thinking of that proud legacy he left for our name. None of you appreciated his love, sweat and blood he put into his land or you would have seen it as an investment not a rattrap. Telling grandma to burn down the house and get the insurance money. Shame on you for the words told to Grandma during her grief. I remember it all or has all of you purposely hidden it deep within. Another example of christian honesty and love isn't it? When Grandma dies we will all drift away, I have Aunt Rose's strong will and Uncle Dan's power to fight and won many victories, but I miss my Aunt Margie, she was compassionate and understanding. She would be so disappointed in all of you for she strived in family unity not the chaos we have now. She may not have approved of my life's past but she would have not judged me either knowing that it is up to a much higher power to do, not Danny or some unknown elder. When Grandma goes, are you so sure you will see her again? Is it loud public praises that will save you? Is it that you got 100 hours in service or that you never missed a talk? Is it not love that Christ commanded that supercedes any law? Now already Lines have been drawn for the next wedding or family event, on who's coming and who is not speaking with whom. Can we as a family maintain some unity no matter what differences each of us has? We are so small that we cannot even get together to find out how the other is doing or are regulations of men much deeper than love of your sister or brother because a member is on public reproof or married to a worldly woman? Is it really so hard to come down from your mountain to visit your mother, give a kind gesture, a simple visit to a forgotten family member? Attempts to cheat one another are the most humorist act I've seen yet, and we are family. I sometimes think it's better to deal with a worldly person. We have used have in our family cheaters that would probably put car salesman out of business. Jeez, no one gets a break. I love my God Jehovah and praise only him and his son so I speak not against him but only of those who cannot fulfill the simplest of deeds, respect of your mother. If you are bad then I dare you to hold any position in the organization whether you are female or male, in this way you can say I'm better than the stranger and the Jew. Can you be honest or love without conditions and regulation of men? Who of you ignore Christ teachings and Jehovah's examples of loving your parent, because if you do you have already failed. The organization has so much power to control even the one christ commanded to love, " love your father and mother and show them respect." I have no intention to hurt anyone so I apologize. In a hundred years whose going to care anyway, so this letter will probably be thrown into the trash, but at the least I said something. So if my own cousins can be tossed away like refuse, family members lie to keep their position to judge and excuses on why you cannot love Grandma then don't criticize anyone or a group, which includes me. Please my family; pull the rafter out of your own eye. Gossip is worse than any cut of the sword. I have great pride in all of Grandpa's achievements, they show character in which none of us have; yet I will strive to be like him and persevere. I have no shame to speak of him as a great man and I remember him walking with Sarge down the long back driveway. I will always think of him under the grapes peeling the cactus on his old brown stool. I only hope to live as long as he. Remember when he cried alone and many walked in on him and laughed at the old man? I sat with him in those days. So now I watch grandma and my son sits next to me. Sadly to say my only family is no more than bickering strangers and haters using the name of Jehovah to achieve their own selfish desire, Not even making the effort to see Grandma and drive down the hill and stay for even a day is what I see and this for goes for those cousins out there also. None of you even make the effort to come down and see her, not even once in a while. She is too old to drive and many have driven her up to the hills but should it not be the son or daughter to visit the mother? Is it so much to stay the day with her, in her own home? Don't write your hate mail or send headhunters to neither my home, nor a call. Love Grandma now! That is your commandment not from any man but from God himself, she is to be looked after and come first in your busy lives. Crocodile tears won't mean a thing when she has past on. It's the tears and laughs you share with her now are what mean the most. Your actions speak louder than any word you can tell me.Just do......your nephew................... This letter is true and shows what real problems exist in a divided family who are all members of the same organization....it is of my opinion as long member that the organization is losing its power of us and many now seek their own way....................The MOLE... I hope all of you understand the true problems facing our religion. It not worth debating with someone who doesn't understand or someone just babbling nonsense..as i wrote and stated I cannot tell anyone why Ray Franz told me personally but a police state is what he likened my organization now, its true, my own family are out to get their own living in the ranks of something like a fascist political group,,,, what good for the goose may not be good for the gander in our religious thinking...This letter was mailed to all twenty family members which are Witnesses....Ray is doing well...good luck to you all in seeking for the truth....THE MOLE

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sheila ; rj is a what you called him. rj ; you are such a devote member of the wt. and the preaching work the wt does??????i'll start a fund drive!!!to send you to how about IRAQ, IRAN ,SOMALIA,LIBYA, MAYBE THE PHILLIPINES JUNGLE. YOU CAN PREACH YOUR GOD'S WORD HERE , JUST LIKE IT SAYS IN THE WT HOW GREAT IT IS TO CONVERT THESE DEVILISH ONES TO THE WT. I WILL DONATE THE FIRST $500 FOR THIS CAUSE. !!!!!!!!!!RJ PACK YOUR BAGS IT WILL NOT BE LONG TILL WE GET YOU A PLANE TICKET!!!!HOW ABOUTY CUBA???? NOT FAR AWAY , ARE YOU READY TO BE PERICUTED FOR YOUR GOD?????THE MONEY IS HERE!!!!!!!JOHN

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CJV YOU DIDN,T MAKE AN ERROR !!!!YOU WERE BEING HONEST!!!THAT'S WHAT THE KINGDOM IS ALL ABOUT..GOD LOVES HONESTY...HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU 5 MINUTES TO REASON A SIMPLE QUESTION OUT!!!!UN LIKE THE WT IT TAKES THE GB 20-40-50 100 YEARS TO REASON OUT SIMPLE PROBLEMS. AND I NEVER HEARD YOU SAY YOU ARE GOD'S EARTHLY CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION FOR ALL MAN KIND!!!!!!!!!AND YOU FIGURED IT OUT IN SECONDS!!!!ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY REASONABLE PERSON ASK????????????????WHAT SPRIT IS DIRECTING THE LEADERS OF THE WATCHTOWER???????????FREEDOM IN CHRIST TO ALL....JOHN

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RJ- You have made more posts than I can back track and count. Almost a 1/2 dozen today alone. For you to come back here so much there must be more bothering you than just the JWD knee-jerk defense otherwise, you would have said F.O. and been done with us. How can I help you? What do you want? If you wish to continue trading barbs you can, You have the choice of doing that. If you wish to talk about what is on your mind or your soul I am listening.- A Friend- Jayson...

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Sheila- Do you mind me asking what your husband' novel is about? What is the Title? Is it published yet ? I promise to buy a copy. I think that is sooooo cool! I would love to be published. I hope you meet your goal of writing your own novel.-Jayson

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How do I go about having my name removed from Jeh. witnesses

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To the question >>How do I go about getting my name removed from JW's<< It's real easy!! Just publicly walk up to an elder, any elder and tell him you support the silentlambs. Tell him why. Tell him the Watchtower society is full of liars and fornicators and murderers. TELL HIM THE TRUTH!! I guarantee you, they'll not want you back.CJV Ont Can

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Hey everyone...this is Linda Thoman again. I have a suggestion...With all the JW's posting nonsense on the board, how about everyone just simply ignore those posts and not respond at all. It's obvious these posts are meant to upset everyone, so why give them the time of day? Let them come into this "apostate" site against their own rules, let them rant and rave and call us all liars, what does it matter really? Let their ignorance stand on it's own. If someone posts a reasonable question without the accusations attached, then reply with kindness and tact. But this constant bantering back and forth serves no purpose. We are here for the thousands of Silentlambs who need our help and support and words of encouragement. Please make notice of those who posts requests for help and email them immediately and offer assistance, regardless of whether they are now adults or not. There may be children who post and need help quick! So, let's stick to the reason why we're here, let's help the JW victims, and stop the name calling, bantering back and forth and lets help however we can. Put flyers on your car windows advertising this site; put flyers out everywhere you go; download Bill's posters and Tri-folders and distribute them everywhere you go. We must get the word out. JW's are doing everything they can to keep it all hushed up, so we have to work that much harder to counter their efforts. Please people...........stick to the focus. Linda

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Hey everyone...this is Linda Thoman again. I have a suggestion...With all the JW's posting nonsense on the board, how about everyone just simply ignore those posts and not respond at all. It's obvious these posts are meant to upset everyone, so why give them the time of day? Let them come into this "apostate" site against their own rules, let them rant and rave and call us all liars, what does it matter really? Let their ignorance stand on it's own. If someone posts a reasonable question without the accusations attached, then reply with kindness and tact. But this constant bantering back and forth serves no purpose. We are here for the thousands of Silentlambs who need our help and support and words of encouragement. Please make notice of those who posts requests for help and email them immediately and offer assistance, regardless of whether they are now adults or not. There may be children who post and need help quick! So, let's stick to the reason why we're here, let's help the JW victims, and stop the name calling, bantering back and forth and lets help however we can. Put flyers on your car windows advertising this site; put flyers out everywhere you go; download Bill's posters and Tri-folders and distribute them everywhere you go. We must get the word out. JW's are doing everything they can to keep it all hushed up, so we have to work that much harder to counter their efforts. Please people...........stick to the focus. Linda

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Hey everyone...this is Linda Thoman again. I have a suggestion...With all the JW's posting nonsense on the board, how about everyone just simply ignore those posts and not respond at all. It's obvious these posts are meant to upset everyone, so why give them the time of day? Let them come into this "apostate" site against their own rules, let them rant and rave and call us all liars, what does it matter really? Let their ignorance stand on it's own. If someone posts a reasonable question without the accusations attached, then reply with kindness and tact. But this constant bantering back and forth serves no purpose. We are here for the thousands of Silentlambs who need our help and support and words of encouragement. Please make notice of those who posts requests for help and email them immediately and offer assistance, regardless of whether they are now adults or not. There may be children who post and need help quick! So, let's stick to the reason why we're here, let's help the JW victims, and stop the name calling, bantering back and forth and lets help however we can. Put flyers on your car windows advertising this site; put flyers out everywhere you go; download Bill's posters and Tri-folders and distribute them everywhere you go. We must get the word out. JW's are doing everything they can to keep it all hushed up, so we have to work that much harder to counter their efforts. Please people...........stick to the focus. Linda

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Read this from JWD http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36161&site=3 . . . Let's help the Anderson's if we can

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Jayson; The genre of my hubby's novel is fantasy(i.e.,: swords, dragons, magic). The funny thing is there is a cult that parallels the witnesses in it it's funny because he wrote it without really realizing that was a way he was expressing his anger LOL The title tentatively is Thunder Riders Burden. As for my book, I'm not sure at what point I will be willing to take the criticism for my writing. For me my writing is very personal and to have others hack and slash YIKES Thanks for asking, Sheila M PS If you write get Stephen Kings "On Writing" it is so helpful

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Sheila M- Thanks! and Thanks again for the tip on King's book. If you choose to write I know you can do it :)- Jay

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Seems like the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing body not only protect paedophiles, but are no longer neutral having shares in weapons of war! http://www.watchtowernews.org/randcam.htm The Watchtower's Investments in Warfare Technology Amazing, UN membership, protecting paedophiles and this, another reason to doubt this organization represents God in any way. Of course if your a JW who never believes any thing, don't read this message. SAB

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http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Jehovahs-Transfusion.html I think it is important to know that this girl died and another family that was once in tact is now in shambles. Good job GB. I'm sure that it is all propaganda and "lashing" grieving individuals that say the WT religiously empowered puts pressure on anyone or any family that does not do what the MAN tells them too. No all that is given is? Nope, That is why the words "I am sorry for the loss of your daughter that you love so much" is completely void. That is why the Father is attacked by the WT group. Yep, no love, no understanding, no compassion, and I am not sorry. That is the way of the WT. And they wonder why I am completely discussed by their actions. They wonder I never joined. And they wonder why I won't be quite. They just don't get it.-Sorry to rant but this hurts-Jayson

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great to know fellow bro's & sis are doing Jehovah's will by sending viruses to my email address. being a believer in "what comes around, goes around", i'm sure the love they've shown will rebound back on them. Rich

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The man father of a teenager that just died in Calgary is devastated by the WT. Now he declared war on the WT. We should help him somehow. We should find more effective ways to fight them. rmk

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This article was printed in 1999 October in a college news letter called New Thinkers Newsletter from a former college student who is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. This letter was verified with a phone discussion. Names and dates where deleted purposely to avoid legal action against New Thinkers Newsletter. The girl named J. was afraid of being shunned if this secret came out about her hall. *** I remember not long ago in my hall , there was an incident that shocked everyone and no one said anything . It is my belief and still is, that everyone was afraid to speak up in fear of reprisals. A young man in the south area of Sacramento was found molesting young boys that he was in care of. The parent were very upset and went to the Elders of our hall to complain. It was a horrible scandal that literally shook everyone's pillars. I personally thought he was going to prison for his actions. The young mans parents begged the Elders not to turn him into the police and the young man cried and begged also. With pleading tears the Elders said they would see into the matter. To my knowledge the children's parent was about to inform the police but the Elders told her that it was unscriptural to call the law and that is was a matter for the hall to deal with not outside authorities. They gave the scripture about how it is wrong to sue one another in the same faith. Basically, I think they wanted to hush the matter so that reproach wouldn't fall on their congregation. The young man received a demotion and a public reproving. I was shocked, We are suppose to be in subjection to God's laws and to man's law. This was clearly breaking man's law not reporting the matter to the authorities. It was quietly put aside. One of the Elders in our hall gave a talk to the congregation about gossip and subtle threats about discussing things that were of a judicial matter. Fear instilled in the hearts kept everyone silent. This was the most horrible thing I have heard in years. The children's parent was dismayed at the whole situation and I asked why she didn't do it anyway and call the police, she said she was afraid of being accused of not obeying Gods words and being called an apostate. So the police were never called and the children will have to live with this ugly memory forever. The Elders swept it under the carpet and no one spoke openly about it again. Six months later M.S. the young man was given back his former position as a ministerial servant and declared he was repentant. This is why I wrote this letter to tell everyone, and to make things worse I just found out that the Organization will send him to New York as a Bethelite. I am sick to my stomach that he is being rewarded for his actions. J. of south Sacramento *** This letter was published and distributed to the police and to all colleges campuses in northern California beside watch groups like SilentLambs. Good luck Bill.. New Thinkers Newsletter 2002

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hey all found this one too. wow ..really deep. hey slc, hi someone in texas, what's up buster? it bro in lodi again. what is with all the yelling here? found this one deep in the pit of discord. *****the mole*******To all witnesses: I never thought I was in a right wing group, I still don't believe that I am. However, some of the statements are true. I too have had some questions about being a Jehovah's Witness. I was born into the situation and known no other. I have never known any other religion and my parents kept me very isolated from others who were considered worldly (pagans). I believe that we do good, but the attitude by most people is apathy so it has been a struggle for us. It is true most in our group believe everything that is written in our Watchtower Magazine, but that goes for any Religion who publishes anything. I have seen the wrongs; however, this is by no means an expose'of my congregation nor of the others I know of personally. I remember the 1975 period when my parents didn't believe that the world was going to end and my fathers disfellowshipping. I also remember the 1980-83 shake up of our Society which is still very vivid in my mind. Yet my mom wanted to return to our kingdom hall anyway because all her family are members of the Jehovah's Witnesses'; nevertheless, it took years for her to get excepted back into our religion, and my father, he rather not have anything to do with the religion or any other religion as far as he is concerned. I will admit that I am a baptized member of the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and I will tell my experience and the truth of what I seen. This is in no way meant to hurt all those I love by writing this response . There are couple of incidents I will mention but I will keep the names hidden so as too refrain from harming the innocent. Here is one more that has to be mentioned. Awhile back in West Sacramento, there is a so called Brother of the faith who committed statutory rape. The mother was very upset and intended phone the police but again she was told to show forgiveness and love. I was told they also gave the same scripture about Christians suing one another. She threatened to do it any way's but was told not too. She said to all of us that she was told by the Elders that if she did, she would be rebelling against gods authority. The law was broken we said, but she said if she did phone the police she would get in trouble. These examples are true to the best of knowledge and it grieves me very much. Now I see why Brother Franz said in his book " It is Christ we should focus on, not some human organization, that our attention and interest should focus, for carefully concealed in him are all are treasures". He may be disfellowshipped but he has made an impact on all Jehovah's Witnesses. His book has passed through many of our hands but he is correct in saying that " drastic actions taken toward those person accused of apostasy were unjustified and repugnant". I can not reject my faith and do say that the previous letter was nothing more than bashing my religion. But I know of those who knew Brother Franz and they discussed all those issues I have just written about. I have heard the he is a very kind and a loving man who does love god. We all need martyrs for what is right and if Ray Franz is right he will be remembered for ever like the others in our past who loved truth. My dad wants nothing to do with my religion and said he doesn't really care to return. As I briefly mentioned before he was disfellowshipped in 1976 when I was very little. He worked over 40 hours a week and didn't have time to go door to door. I remember the Elders of our old hall talking to him constantly about the need for field service. My dad said he would lose his job or his house if he did what they suggested. It got to the point where he grit his teeth every time they showed up. He told my mom that they suggested he quit his job and spend more time going door to door preaching. He was dumfounded at their comments and it was backed up with the reasoning that the world would end soon. I remember so many who lost there jobs because of this kind of thinking. Many were kicked out for apostasy for not obeying these men. My dad says now, where are these fools who told me to quit, the world didn't end in 1976, only there control over him did. He was disfellowshipped in 1976 for not being reasonable and not being humble. I heard the way they spoke to my dad and it was like a quiet serpent with soft words and a superior attitude, like they knew gods thoughts. My mom cried for days because she knew they had already intended to remove my dad. He stood up for his rights and appealed their decision. To no avail it was announced a week before my birthday that he was disfellowshipped. Our world changed at that moment for us. My dad is very successful in his job and now has more free time than ever and ready to retire. He says if he would have done what they said we would have all suffered greatly. He is humored when he sees or hears of these men when we are at our assembly because they didn't get their end of the world and are broke still working at low paying jobs without the possibility retiring. I have heard that out of the five who prosecuted him only one remains in authority. From the five, one was disfellowshipped for what ever reasons, one gave up the religion entirely, one died, and the last stepped down from his position. Hearing this gave my dad some release of the thoughts that he was bad in some way for standing up for himself. My mom is a different story but it is the same ending . My mom has been a member since her birth also. She cannot remember any other association or any religion in her family. My family members are all baptized and have been associated with this organization for years. My mom used to be a pioneer ( full time Preaching) for years. She went to New York and worked for awhile there and traveled around the US for a couple of years as a pioneer. I remember her telling us how she was so excited to do all this and who she knew . Names and people she talked too seemed endless and many were very high up in our organization. In 1980 when the shake up began in our organization, my mom cried to hear that some of her friends were removed. Once again she was devastated. Some of those people helped her through her crisis and helped her remained active despite my dads feelings. She continued without a word preaching and telling everyone about our harmony and love for one another. A year had past and she said to a few that it was awful what had happened and how can she say we have harmony when we didn't. I remember more clearly now what mom my went through now that I'm older. I heard the ugly rumors about my moms friends and so did my mom. She defended herself and her friends only to be put in a head hunt situation. I know for a fact she encouraged her friends over the phone to stay faithful and not to do bad. She was lectured week after week that her faith in our organization was weak and possibly apostate. She was crushed to hear this. I remember the toll it took on her health then. She had done nothing wrong in her conscience or her heart she said. My mom was removed in 1983. Our family shunned us, even me. Years passed and my mom was reinstated in 1992. She was able to see her family and my grandma. MY grandfather died a year before and we were not invited because both my parents were disfellowshipped. I to got baptized in 1992 and it made my mom happy. My reasons are mine on why I did get baptized;however, I know this, I will be more cautious and not fall prey to wild thinking or throw my life away preaching. I seen the best of both worlds and I will be like my dad, I also will have the devotion like my mother to those I love and care about. It scares me personally to see people suffer needlessly like that girl on the Dateline interview. It shakes me up on how disgusting it is to cover up legal matters and let others be abused; therefore, I believe that my god Jehovah will destroy these people, and I do believe in him without question. I will not listen to any mans foolishness on what they believe god thinks or what they think he wants. Our hearts he will search out, not bible zealots who feel they are better than anyone else. I have my regrets for not doing what I had to do, only to subject myself to ignorant men. I promise not ever to do to my children what was done to me in my past. I will not deprive them the need to release nor to communicate or to express themselves as I was hindered. I think my life could have been much more than it is now. I have a weak High school education because at that time when I was in high school the J.W. organization did discourage any extra curricular activity and college prep courses. I whole heartedly believe that this effected my life style today and to regretfully say I have no skills. My children will play baseball, do Karate, and Play with the neighbor kids. All these things are part of growing up and to hinder them is evil. I was told I couldn't do these things when I was young and I told my mom how I hated not doing anything productive at school in my early days. Her reply was that she was sorry for me not going to college and if she had to do all of over again, she would have let me expand my horizons. She said those were the times then and all higher education was discouraged, if she would have known what she knows now, it wouldn't have happened. I could have been somebody great or better equipped to do good by now. I struggle to survive while those younger than me have the upper management jobs and I'm stuck with some low wage, taking orders from some pee-on. The impact of the Elders carries much weight but the need for the many is control or a sense of purpose. We have good times along with the bad, but a limit should be on how much control over ones mind should be. Our conscience is a gift from god and should not be exploited. I think religion is good in some ways and to have it removed would crush hope. Hope keeps mankind from destroying one another. If the world is to end, I know in my heart I will live to see my dream of being in a paradise. False prophecy I ignore, but love and kindness keeps me going. I believe that God exist and mankind needs teachings that exert love. Avoid those men in cheap suit's with their ideas of God. It is god who we will answer too not to some organization. Keep on searching for the real truth not be polluted in false doctrine and the corrupt ideas of men. For Jehovah is to be sought out not hidden in a building in New York.....*****the mole****

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hi again..this is another for you sister in auburn...brother in placerville stay strong and fight the good fight! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********the mole************“True love and peace within the Organization; let's remain under God's rule with faith.” These words where spoken at the last district assembly of Jehovah's Witness in July of 1999. Do they speak the truth or with fork tongues? Beware all members of the Organization; the time I warned you about have begun; they are out to find you. With a smiles and cheer they come into your home to sneer. They sit in your home and listen to your every word and test every comment to see if your worthy of their man mad blessings and give their evaluation of what they feel how spiritual you are not knowing only God himself can only see these things. Can they really see the love within a person or is of their own perspective they what should be in their own eyes. Their doomsday Prophets has spoken again. In so many words they have declared that the year 2000 will be the coming of Christ; however, they are a little smarter than before when they prophesied in 1975 and 1984 that the end would come. So by not putting anything in print they have plausible deniability if it doesn't come as expected. What is so humorous is that many Brothers and Sisters during one of our afternoon breaks at the assembly gave a long and detail synopsis of how the world is coming to an end in the year 2000 and how his family is preparing for it. I laughed heartily while listening to one of our member's go on and on how they are so faithful and how Jehovah will save them in the time of need. Can anyone be haughtier than this; does this sound like the Pharisees? The real question to ask is will the organization stop or discourage such talk? A well-known and reputable speaker within the Society declared this at our convention and so I thought this needed to be said and I quote, “ The time has come when those inside our organization will cool off and betray our brotherhood, … the time is near and the weeding out has begun. The end of the times as declared by the apostles and Jesus is now!” If these words are true than 98% of the world's population is dead with no hope of salvation through Christ, so all peoples of the world must conform to the ideas of the Jehovah's Witness' that salvation must come through their organization. There is NO scripture in the Bible that declared salvation through an organization, it says though it's through Christ alone. Are they to makes us believe they alone have this power? Why would a God of love and peace destroy the innocent along with the evil? The Jehovah's Witness' proclaim they have covered the world with their worldwide teaching and that those who didn't listen will be destroyed, the Mormons are declaring the same message, which is correct? Also are this showing true love and a good example to others around them who are looking for the rule truth about God and his Son? Another thing is that they have an excuse for every crime they commit and act of abhorred brutality they do, the cover ups would reach the sky but will they admit it; but no, it is all good because Jehovah god will only forgive them and no one else. Beware all; they have started their witch-hunt to look for apostates within their own organization. Its looks like they are ready to atrophied as a group of people. Not only do they have enemies on the outside but also on the inside. Many faithful members are now ready to dig in and wait for the fight as I am doing now. Any person in any congregation can now accuse someone of a wrongdoing and remain hidden while the cost to defend one self is enormous to the accused. Does this sound familiar in our Christian past? So now we wait for the new inquisition and burning at the stake just like before when the Pope said all those questioning their authority is to be sought out and purged for their sins. Along with others who are still members, including me are watching with a careful eye; we are waiting for the headhunt to begin and see how their book-burning club seeks out betrayers in their own ranks. One fact is the Elders will come to your home telling you they are there for encouragement while the whole time they are searching through your house and judging you with their soft words as they question ones on irrelevant subjects. The congregation meetings soon after the district assemblies began to create lectures of apostate teachings and those who speak out against the Organization. Here is one talk that I took notes on that shocked not only me but those who are the old members as well. I quote, ” Let anyone who has an opinion or voice not in harmony with the Society and the Anointed be removed. We should all sing in chorus like the angles in heaven… Those who believe they are individuals be reminded they are rebelling against God.” My question is what God or God's are they talking about? If Jehovah created us to be individuals with free will than whom are they talking about, or is it they believe God was in error in the Holy Scriptures? The shunning destroying families will be the horrid crime that would even offend Christ himself. If one cannot question the authority system that our hierarchy has created than we as people are no more than thoughtless robots in a Nazi regime. For a group of people supposedly to obey the scriptures they don't seem too follow to closely. In Jude verse 22 say's “Continue showing mercy to those who have doubts”. Do you think they do this simple act of mercy? It's a good question they should not only ask themselves but as whole group. I have this comment directed to the President of the Jehovah's Witness' Organization and that is, “ you have substituted the oneness of God for the diversity which cannot be resolved into one. Through this you have created the torment of incomprehension, and the mutilation of the created world of thought, the essence and law of which is diversity. How can you be true to your nature when you attempt to make one (your personal thoughts of God) out of many? I tell you this, what you do to the Angels, Christ and most of all Jehovah himself, that which evil what you preach will befall you also.” This scripture says it all and so I will quote it from our Organization own Bible. 1 Corinthians 4:3-5, “ Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by you or by a human tribunal. Even I do not examine myself. For I am not conscious of anything against myself; yet this does not prove me righteous, but he that examine me is Jehovah. Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.” Will the Witness' follow the written word from their own source or will they have an excuse similar to those Puritans who burned witches for Gods sake? We must resist with all our might the conspiracy to limit and narrow our perception, masquerading tendentious religious dogma as absolute truths. Witnesses want to really know the truth then how come the Organization doesn't admit that its way of conducting the congregation is similar to that of Valentinian Gnosticism in the first century. Congregation members give talks (preach) to the laity, the women also go on stage, not directly preaching to the audience but to another on the stage (podium), same thing. Preaching from door to door to other Christians declaring the imperfections of their faith that they alone have the good news of salvation, and their ideas of the struggle of light and darkness found only in the Jehovah's Witness' doctrine, etc, etc, etc. Can they really believe the rest of the world doesn't see this? This is why they and the Mormons seek the dregs of life to fill their seats not as Christ did for salvation but for the need of power and money. They are like public braggarts boasting of their enrollment not of those poor they saved from disaster or distress. The many that love and give freely of themselves now have to regulate whom they associate with. During the concluding session of the same assembly in July one of the last speakers insisted on avoiding bad association and the weak; however, isn't this contrary to scripture also? In John 7:24 states these actions clearly by saying,” Stop judging from the outward appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” My question to the Society is how can you have a double standard? If Jesus said to go for the lost sheep and leave behind the other ninety-nine, then where does one draw the line on who is weak? If the weak are in need of help but shunned are the Elders no better than the men Christ himself condemned as evil serpents and so Christ sat with prostitutes and beggars. Will the Elders wash my feet as Christ our leader did? Is there such a humble man in our Organization? Each person in our Kingdom Halls is so preoccupied with making a good appearance they have lost the truth on why the first century congregation formed. If anyone has noticed while attending our meetings many of the members are no more than empty shells, regurgitating the same useless babble so not is different. Image is not everything it's the wholeness one can exert with love and kindness is the fine works spoken of in Galatians 5:22-3; therefore, its not a showy display but helping the poor and weak in which the grace of God blesses people. I will keep attending and reporting. Stay on the watch, you may also be next to be questioned about your inner feelings and standing in the congregation. Beware to all of you. Sincerely, *********The Mole*********

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Date:
07 Sep 2002
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hi again..this is another for you sister in auburn...brother in placerville stay strong and fight the good fight! this is the lodi brother what is going on everyone , i have been reading the last months stuff. it seems we attacked so some firecrackers. fresh blood is good. hi all>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********the mole************“True love and peace within the Organization; let's remain under God's rule with faith.” These words where spoken at the last district assembly of Jehovah's Witness in July of 1999. Do they speak the truth or with fork tongues? Beware all members of the Organization; the time I warned you about have begun; they are out to find you. With a smiles and cheer they come into your home to sneer. They sit in your home and listen to your every word and test every comment to see if your worthy of their man mad blessings and give their evaluation of what they feel how spiritual you are not knowing only God himself can only see these things. Can they really see the love within a person or is of their own perspective they what should be in their own eyes. Their doomsday Prophets has spoken again. In so many words they have declared that the year 2000 will be the coming of Christ; however, they are a little smarter than before when they prophesied in 1975 and 1984 that the end would come. So by not putting anything in print they have plausible deniability if it doesn't come as expected. What is so humorous is that many Brothers and Sisters during one of our afternoon breaks at the assembly gave a long and detail synopsis of how the world is coming to an end in the year 2000 and how his family is preparing for it. I laughed heartily while listening to one of our member's go on and on how they are so faithful and how Jehovah will save them in the time of need. Can anyone be haughtier than this; does this sound like the Pharisees? The real question to ask is will the organization stop or discourage such talk? A well-known and reputable speaker within the Society declared this at our convention and so I thought this needed to be said and I quote, “ The time has come when those inside our organization will cool off and betray our brotherhood, … the time is near and the weeding out has begun. The end of the times as declared by the apostles and Jesus is now!” If these words are true than 98% of the world's population is dead with no hope of salvation through Christ, so all peoples of the world must conform to the ideas of the Jehovah's Witness' that salvation must come through their organization. There is NO scripture in the Bible that declared salvation through an organization, it says though it's through Christ alone. Are they to makes us believe they alone have this power? Why would a God of love and peace destroy the innocent along with the evil? The Jehovah's Witness' proclaim they have covered the world with their worldwide teaching and that those who didn't listen will be destroyed, the Mormons are declaring the same message, which is correct? Also are this showing true love and a good example to others around them who are looking for the rule truth about God and his Son? Another thing is that they have an excuse for every crime they commit and act of abhorred brutality they do, the cover ups would reach the sky but will they admit it; but no, it is all good because Jehovah god will only forgive them and no one else. Beware all; they have started their witch-hunt to look for apostates within their own organization. Its looks like they are ready to atrophied as a group of people. Not only do they have enemies on the outside but also on the inside. Many faithful members are now ready to dig in and wait for the fight as I am doing now. Any person in any congregation can now accuse someone of a wrongdoing and remain hidden while the cost to defend one self is enormous to the accused. Does this sound familiar in our Christian past? So now we wait for the new inquisition and burning at the stake just like before when the Pope said all those questioning their authority is to be sought out and purged for their sins. Along with others who are still members, including me are watching with a careful eye; we are waiting for the headhunt to begin and see how their book-burning club seeks out betrayers in their own ranks. One fact is the Elders will come to your home telling you they are there for encouragement while the whole time they are searching through your house and judging you with their soft words as they question ones on irrelevant subjects. The congregation meetings soon after the district assemblies began to create lectures of apostate teachings and those who speak out against the Organization. Here is one talk that I took notes on that shocked not only me but those who are the old members as well. I quote, ” Let anyone who has an opinion or voice not in harmony with the Society and the Anointed be removed. We should all sing in chorus like the angles in heaven… Those who believe they are individuals be reminded they are rebelling against God.” My question is what God or God's are they talking about? If Jehovah created us to be individuals with free will than whom are they talking about, or is it they believe God was in error in the Holy Scriptures? The shunning destroying families will be the horrid crime that would even offend Christ himself. If one cannot question the authority system that our hierarchy has created than we as people are no more than thoughtless robots in a Nazi regime. For a group of people supposedly to obey the scriptures they don't seem too follow to closely. In Jude verse 22 say's “Continue showing mercy to those who have doubts”. Do you think they do this simple act of mercy? It's a good question they should not only ask themselves but as whole group. I have this comment directed to the President of the Jehovah's Witness' Organization and that is, “ you have substituted the oneness of God for the diversity which cannot be resolved into one. Through this you have created the torment of incomprehension, and the mutilation of the created world of thought, the essence and law of which is diversity. How can you be true to your nature when you attempt to make one (your personal thoughts of God) out of many? I tell you this, what you do to the Angels, Christ and most of all Jehovah himself, that which evil what you preach will befall you also.” This scripture says it all and so I will quote it from our Organization own Bible. 1 Corinthians 4:3-5, “ Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by you or by a human tribunal. Even I do not examine myself. For I am not conscious of anything against myself; yet this does not prove me righteous, but he that examine me is Jehovah. Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.” Will the Witness' follow the written word from their own source or will they have an excuse similar to those Puritans who burned witches for Gods sake? We must resist with all our might the conspiracy to limit and narrow our perception, masquerading tendentious religious dogma as absolute truths. Witnesses want to really know the truth then how come the Organization doesn't admit that its way of conducting the congregation is similar to that of Valentinian Gnosticism in the first century. Congregation members give talks (preach) to the laity, the women also go on stage, not directly preaching to the audience but to another on the stage (podium), same thing. Preaching from door to door to other Christians declaring the imperfections of their faith that they alone have the good news of salvation, and their ideas of the struggle of light and darkness found only in the Jehovah's Witness' doctrine, etc, etc, etc. Can they really believe the rest of the world doesn't see this? This is why they and the Mormons seek the dregs of life to fill their seats not as Christ did for salvation but for the need of power and money. They are like public braggarts boasting of their enrollment not of those poor they saved from disaster or distress. The many that love and give freely of themselves now have to regulate whom they associate with. During the concluding session of the same assembly in July one of the last speakers insisted on avoiding bad association and the weak; however, isn't this contrary to scripture also? In John 7:24 states these actions clearly by saying,” Stop judging from the outward appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” My question to the Society is how can you have a double standard? If Jesus said to go for the lost sheep and leave behind the other ninety-nine, then where does one draw the line on who is weak? If the weak are in need of help but shunned are the Elders no better than the men Christ himself condemned as evil serpents and so Christ sat with prostitutes and beggars. Will the Elders wash my feet as Christ our leader did? Is there such a humble man in our Organization? Each person in our Kingdom Halls is so preoccupied with making a good appearance they have lost the truth on why the first century congregation formed. If anyone has noticed while attending our meetings many of the members are no more than empty shells, regurgitating the same useless babble so not is different. Image is not everything it's the wholeness one can exert with love and kindness is the fine works spoken of in Galatians 5:22-3; therefore, its not a showy display but helping the poor and weak in which the grace of God blesses people. I will keep attending and reporting. Stay on the watch, you may also be next to be questioned about your inner feelings and standing in the congregation. Beware to all of you. Sincerely, *********The Mole*********

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Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
17:01:21
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Mole, you really care! How comely that you are back! How encouraging that you see things correctly. My hope is restored. There must be a number of people like you there. They are not stupid they must see that something is wrong. How do we become more effective in helping the sincere ones to freedom? God be with you Mole. Always looking forward to some news from you.rmk

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
01:46:19
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I feel I must be honest, I grow weary of the over expounded bible thumping scholars on this site who do what they accuse there Quote unQuote JW opponents of doing. Being Abusive, that's right, the Endless Page after page of Bible Theorizing and policy debating is in my opinion more Religious Abuse, I get more mind numbing hogwash on this site in one sitting than I would a hole month of sitting in a KH, at least there I am not isolating myself an turning into some sort of moronic Bible relic. Don"t get me wrong, this Child Abuse and Spouse Battering are important subjects and need to be addressed but this Whose the smartest bible scholar on the planet game that goes on here is reminiscent of some street curb alcoholics ramblings and does nothing more than sidestep what is trying to be accomplished here, maybe that is your purpose to try and discourage people, shy sheep if you will from posting here because they can't get a word in edgways. And I will use some names... No I won't, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE I was appalled to read some posts from obvious new posters spilling there hearts out in a small faint voice, just to be talked over to the greedy ego feeding, language confusing nazi's that frequent this page and never have anything encouraging to say to any of the lambs here, I am personally tired of all the grandstanding that goes on here and doubt that it has anything to do with healing abuse issues. This is my perspective anyway...NP

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
05:51:41
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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
07:17:40
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NP-- I have to agree with you and I believe that there are many others out there that feel the same. This site was set up for those who have been abused first by the molesters then by the people who are to look after the well-being of the sheep in their care. Bad habits are hard to break for some who have left the organization and for those that have an ax to grind with the Watchtower. there are other forums out there for that purpose, they need to take full advantage of them and leave this site to the true Silent Lambs. The best advice that I could give to anyone is to report criminal activity to the law enforcement in your area, don't leave it in the hands of people that can't or won't help you. In my opinion it serves no purpose to argue doctrine, leave the past behind (I know that is hard to do, especially if you have been abused by this religion) and enjoy the rest of you life. CM

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
07:34:54
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I hate these posters who post large messages taking up tonnes of space!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't you create a website and post it there like i do? Deepest sympathy to the father of the girl who died of Leukemia. I hope a website is created so donations can be given to help him. bas www.antijehovahswitness.com

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
10:43:19
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i followed the story of the girl in canada with cancer.and how the wt stepped in to fight the father, break up the family, etc., etc., how many times has the wt printed that we must follow our own conscience. i think the father did that. the wt tried to play god and step in . the wt is a baby HITLER!!!!THE WT TREATS IT,S MEMBERS, THE SAME AS THE PHAROAH'S TREATED THE JEW SLAVES. STORY'S LIKE THESE MAKE ME SICK!!!JW,S HAVE NO HUMAN RIGHT UNDER THE WHIP OF THE WATCHTOWER !!!!!!!!!!JUST AS GOD DESTROYED THE TOWER OF BABAL. SO WILL GOD DESTROY THE MODERN WATCHTOWER OF BABALING BULL CRAP....JOHN

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
10:49:32
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This whole religion is based on "don't challenge the Watchtower on any subject" because they are Gods organization. Any type of investigation into this religion is useful to help people see that it is not the final authority. It is nothing more than a few older peoples opinions. I welcome all challenges to their authority.

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
13:19:32
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Well many have talked the talk, are you willing to walk the walk? Below is program anyone can do in your local community. We would like to see every Kingdom Hall presented with a stuffed lamb and press statement before the march in Brooklyn on the 27th. How about all the Kingdom Halls in your area? Follow the instructions below, email me if you want one sent to you directly. This can certainly help bring larger publicity to the march and if you are unable to attend, it offers something you can do locally to support silentlambs. This is a part of history that will be remembered for years to come, please do not miss this opportunity to be part of it. silentlambs Instructions: This is the announcement press packet for the local Kingdom Hall press release. The top page goes out two days in advance to all media in your local area. TV, Radio, Newspaper, etc.. Call and get fax or email along with who the religion reporters are. Send this to news room fax or assignment desk to their attention. Put a local telephone number and name as a contact person above my name. Call the local reporters and tell them you are going to deliver the lamb, which Kingdoms Halls along with when and where. The next two pages are to press conference statements are simply delivered with the lamb and stuck on the front door handle. Do all the Kingdom Halls in your area. When reporters arrive, why not stand under the local through? If JWs order you off the property make them do it in front of the reporter. Then explain this is much the same as child rape victims are treated within the congregation. Then simply go to the sidewalk or by the sign in front of the Kingdom Hall and offer to answer any questions about the purpose of the march and why we are delivering lambs to Kingdom Halls. Give the reporter a copy of what you are leaving at the Kingdom Hall. Mid morning is a good time as typically no one is there and if you are asked to leave then the press will get it on film. Do not be angry or abrasive to any JWs you may meet, be kind and cordial to any requests. If confronted by elders you might try to mention this is about protecting children from child abuse and do they mind if you make a few brief comments to the press statement? If they say no then ask them where you could stand, put them on the spot. Remember sidewalks are public property and can be used as a last resort. Kingdom Hall signs are often located near the sidewalk, stand as close as possible if a reporter wants to talk to you. If you are having supporters with you have them make up posters that say-silentlambs-protect children-stop child molesters-end the silence-or words to that effect. Answer any questions and then ask if they want to follow you to the next Kingdom Hall. Answer questions as you would for a representative for the silentlambs organization. Say at silentlambs we do this or that try to include the name in the sentence. Also say the words Jehovah's Witnesses as much as possible. Say leadership when you refer to the governing body. Wait for reporters to arrive speak briefly with them and tell them what you are going to do. Lead them to the drive through and place a stuffed lamb on the front door. If JWs are there hand it to them and say it is a gift from silentlambs and you want them to pass it on to the elders. If they refuse just sit it by the front door. Remember let them lose their cool but you keep yours. I do not think there will be JWs around but be prepared just in case. After delivering the lamb give the reporters a copy of the statement left on the front door and ask if they have any questions. Be sure and highlight the purpose of the march in and the indictment of the governing body for hurting children. Remember this is your opportunity to so something to be proud of; you're speaking up for children. Your efforts will protect children that have yet to be born. Sex Abuse Victims and Advocates Deliver Stuffed Animal to Local Jehovah's Witnesses Churches across America Announce Nationwide First Ever March for Jehovah's Witness Child Rape Victims New Support Group Seeks Investigation of Church Hierarchy WHAT: At cities across America local Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses will be visited by representatives for silentlambs to deliver a stuffed lamb as a symbol of innocence lost, also adults molested as kids by Jehovah's Witnesses and advocates will deliver a formal request from the silentlambs organization for a church hearing to investigate possible criminal cover-ups by the denominations leadership for Jehovah's Witnesses the Governing Body. They will deliver a copy of a press release delivered to Kingdom Halls at 16 major cites across the US last week. The release announces a national march for molestation victims at Jehovah's Witnesses home office in Brooklyn, scheduled on September 27th. WHEN: (fill in dates, times and places here, you can list the sequentially-example-10:30am-11:00am- see locations below. WHO: (give your name and whether you are an abuse survivor or advocate, if you do not wish to use your name that is fine just say abuse survivor or advocate for children that will be delivering the information) WHERE: Give the details of where each Kingdom Hall is located as in this example)Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall, Directions: From Interstate 65: Take exit 125 onto Gene Snyder Freeway west. Go ten miles to 31W (). Turn left at traffic light toward . Go 1.4 miles to (Moby Dick fish place on the right), turn right, go one mile to , then turn left. Kingdom hall is 2/10 of a mile on the right. DETAILS: This is a continuation of the first public event ever for child rape victims of Jehovah's Witnesses. According to William H. Bowen founder of silentlambs, We allege that Watchtower has established a child abuse policy that has ignored abuse survivors, protected child molesters and disfellowshipped those who have tried to support them. This will be a public statement that leadership for Jehovah s Witnesses (Governing Body) must stop hurting children. Silentlambs is formerly requesting the church to establish a tribunal to prosecute the Governing Body for their crimes against children. Contact: (put your contact information here, use mine below) www.silentlambs.org, William H. Bowen: 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345 silentlambs, inc. PUBLIC AIRS OFFICE For Immediate Release We are here to speak out for victims of child rape who have been silenced and now know they have a right to speak out. We call them silentlambs. The house of worship situated in your local community is directed by a group of 11 men who hold legislative, executive, and judicial power over a world-wide religious order known as Jehovah's Witnesses. These men, who are known as a Governing Body (leadership) for 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses world-wide, have chosen to defend an indefensible regulation that has led and continues to lead to unimaginable damage to children who have suffered or who are now suffering sexual abuse. Today we are here to announce the first ever nation-wide march for Jehovah's Witness child rape victims. On September 27th at 2pm, at Jehovah's Witnesses' headquarters in Brooklyn, abuse survivors and supporters will come from around the world to let the Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership (Governing Body) know we will no longer be ignored. We are angry at being silenced when we tried to speak out about abuse; we are outraged that we were disfellowshipped when we spoke out to protect children. Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body policies have hurt thousands of children; by their actions they appear to have no remorse; they have made no apology, but instead have sent henchmen in congregations like this to excommunicate victims and advocates who spoke out for children. At least the Catholic Church has taken steps in the right direction for addressing abuse issues but Jehovah's Witnesses leadership, by their actions, appear to think they are above the law and will punish anyone who says different. In a statement made to media dated February 7, the head of the PR Department for Jehovah's Witnesses, J. R. Brown states, "Our Governing Body is willing to resolve differences of opinion within the framework of the congregation and according to Scriptural principles." For these reasons we are asking that a board of key men be selected from within the church to serve as judges. On September 27, in , we will bring dozens of eye-witnesses to testify regarding the harm Watchtower policy has caused by requiring two eye-witnesses to verify child molestation allegations. How often does a child have an eye-witness when they are being raped? We ask them to hear our witnesses and if their testimony proves true the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses (Governing Body) should either be sanctioned or dismissed from their positions. Today I am here to represent those with many faithful years of service as Jehovah's Witnesses. We are here to deliver a message for the children. Last week twelve lambs were delivered to the Jehovah's Witnesses leaders known as the Governing Body. Later that same week in St Louis, Dallas, Sacramento, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Orlando, Tampa, Nashville, Louisville, etc.in these major cites across a symbolic lamb is being left at a Kingdom Hall. Today we leave a lamb at this Kingdom Hall as a reminder for those who have been silenced by Watchtower policy when they were raped. It is bad policy that requires unauthorized untrained men to illegally investigate the crime of child molestation. It is bad policy that appoints child molesters as elders after 20 years of not getting caught again. It is bad policy that puts child molesters in a position to go to any home in on an annual basis accompanied by fellow members who do not even know what they have done. It is bad Watchtower policy that remains unchanged due to the inaction of Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body after silentlambs, along with thousands of abuse survivors, have begged for almost two years now, for needed changes. Each person who participates in this effort across , at one time, had great love for the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses; we are saddened that we are forced to take this action due to the stubborn actions of prideful men who lead this church. The Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership (Governing Body) must change their policy and must apologize to the victims whose lives their policies have destroyed. On September 27th many arrive in good faith to make testimony to the public and testify before Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body to give closure to victims and protect our children. Victims who have been painfully conned and threatened out of their innocence by child molesters are now being conned and threatened into silence by the local representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership in Kingdom Halls such as this one around the world. These men consistently teach their adherents that humility is the course of wisdom yet they arrogantly stick to an unwise course that punishes their most precious members. On September 27th in Brooklyn , we will begin a peaceful march at Pierpoint Place and Columbia Heights. We will end the march at the front door of home office of Jehovah's Witnesses. We officially invite any who decry the abuse of children to join silentlambs in this peaceful demonstration to push for a change in policy to protect the children. We encourage all abuse survivors to speak out and never allow anyone to make you a silentlamb. silentlambs, inc, . Telephone: 270-527-5350 Fax: 270-527-5351 Hotline for Jehovah's Witness victims of abuse 1-877-WTABUSE

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:02:30
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Looks like someone doesn't know their Watchtower History very well. Marching with Signs & Placards, handing out pamphlets & fliers to passersby = Well, My Oh My! These "wacko" tactics are the Spiritual Heritage, the Theocratic Warfare that has been handed down to us from our WTS FOREFATHERS from earlier in the 20th century, OR DID YOU FORGET??? Tsk Tsk. Better get out some of those old WT litter-chure books and study up young fella! You don't even know the society's own history.

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:05:16
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Thanks for your hard work on this issue, as an ex JW I can still remember the fear of being kicked out for questioning WT policy was always the last word. Always Howard J Hrobak, lifesupportsus@aol.com

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:11:25
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SPOKEN LIKE A REAL DUB (Jay-DUB) who no doubt is angry because they don't have ANY SPARE TIME to do ANYTHING but go to work, go to 5 meetings a week, and go out in service 1 or 2 times a week, and then STUDY for those 5 meetings a week, and then PREPARE for going out in service twice a week; AND have a family Bible study. Yet we get to visit here and have fun, build camaraderie, share stories, comfort & welcome "TRUE" lambs, support the silentlambs CAUSE!! Awwwww, Poor Little Dub. Did you take off your CHAINS in order to visit this Guestbook? Best run along now and put your SHACKLES back on before you get CAUGHT without them by the Pharisee/elders! +++++++++ Some Child wrote: Who feeds you people and where do you get all of this time? Go out, get a job, get a life! losers...

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:17:19
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LOL! @ John who wrote to RJ: "I,M ALL OVER YOU LIKE A CHEAP JW SUIT." --- LMHO!!!!

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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
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How do I go about having my name removed from Jeh. witnesses ++++++++ I don't think you can EVER get your name removed. Even if you Disassociate yourself and/or get yourself Disfellowshipped, the cong and the WTS keeps records on people (in the USA, I think it is outlawed to do that in the UK). Why not call Brooklyn and ask?

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hey the mole didn't come back. those repost are from lodi brother. things toned down here in this site now. i do agree that the few should be heard and cry out their pain, but bible thumpers on this site? each person has their own way to say things but i guess mole was right some lost focus. my name is tracy, that is just the way mom spelled it but i was a victim also. my step mom sexually molested my stepbrothers. in fact she was having sex with the oldest who was then only 15. my younger sister seen my stepmom kissing my younger brother who only 13 at the time and having oral sex with him. we did tell on her but my dad couldn't believe it. the boys were to scared to say until just a few years ago. my stepmom did stuff to my little sister also. my stepmom at the time grew up in a very strict witnesses family even more strict than most and i think this what contributed to her mental illness. she had no release early in life and then took it out on my family to an extreme and horrible way. i was 21 before i could leave the house and was treated like a little girl. when i fell in love with someone they would not let me talk or date him, only someone in good standing like my stepmom was. now time has past and theo still talks to me but i have been with another man and i don't feel clean enough to date him. he still wants to marry me and no longer attends the meetings. theo begs me to marry him but i moved in with some guy that i thought was love but turned out to be abusive, then to escape and moved in with another guy while theo keeps calling me to marry him, i don't know what to do....i know he really is love with me.....our heads in my family really got messed up. i wish everyone would call the auburn congregation in california and ask for mike vaughn the elder and tell them that hell was in the hall and never has been addressed. my step mom committed suicide last month and then i felt free to come to this site and say what had to be said.......tracy w......

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To all the children and woman who have suffered in the hands of these people.You are all in my prayers.Hugs to you..hugs to you Bill and your wife. I used to be a JW myself,I left 10 years ago.There is so many things coming out about this organization,so this makes me very happy I left.I have a 14 yr old daughter and it would have been terrible thing to go threw..being threatened to be DF if you say a word...those men walking the streets and still being in good standing within the CONG. They DF for smoking ,having sex before marriage,adultery,etc...etc.... BUT they will not DF for having sex with your child or someone's child.All I can say is sick and God Almighty in Heaven could not be behind that.A loving God is not like that Take care all and God bless you all

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Jayson, feel free to rant. And Rich, sorry to hear about your emails. I heard about that over at J-W.com. RMK, the man in Calgary whose daughter died, well I think he already has a lawsuit going. I saw something about it at Jehovahs-Witnesses.com. Check it out. /SLC

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ADORABLE BOY LAMBS: Beanie babies makes Bam the Ram, he is fabulous: Info here: http://www.ty.com/images/products/1326_lg.gif

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SEX OFFENDER IN MY HALL: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36130&site=3&page=1>

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WSMV of Nashville has a brief article about the Anderson's and their "march (press conference Thursday 9-5-02). You can read it here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36055&page=1&site=3#485346>

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Another NASHVILLE, TN, REPORT on Press Conference 9-5-02! with the Andersons and two others who showed up; along with two TV stations and one reporter: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36062&site=3>

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SEATTLE, WA, Press conference pics & report: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36066&site=3>

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DALLAS, TX, press conference! You'll LOVE this!!!: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36057&site=3>

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PANAMA CITY, FL, press conference report: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36069&site=3>

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ORLANDO, FL, press conference: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36099&site=3>

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CENTRAL FLORIDA SILENT LAMBS (abuse survivors) DON'T BE SHY! When you are ready to tell your story in a more public way, you will feel EXHILARATED afterward! I promise! When you are ready, please call this reporter. He's on standby to do a personal story. Please contact him here: Mark I. Pinsky, Senior Reporter - Religion, Orlando Sentinel, P.O. Box 2833, 633 North Orange Avenue, Orlando, FL 32802-2833, Phone: 407-420-5589; EMAIL: mpinsky@orlandosentinel.com

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All topics ever posted by Bill (silentlambs): <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/search.asp?site=3> If this link doesn't work, type in silentlambs into the SEARCH page.

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NEXT ADVENTURE: BLITZ the K.HALLS! Get your lambs here: Just saw a new post at the forum with a link to some really cheap stuffed lambs, for future reference! The forum thread, entitled "GOT MY LAMBS" is here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36132&site=3> The website to order the lambs is here. The lambs are only $1.45 each, and they are cute, too! <http://www.propac-sa.com/new.html>

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Link to an Excellent Detailed Outline of the "crimes" of the WT in the Vicki Boer child abuse trial beginning next Monday in Canada, where Barbara Anderson will be testifying: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36147&page=1&site=3#486723>

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Bill posted 9/6/02, several Press Conference media articles, including TV station reports: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&page=1&site=3#486624>

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HERE IS THE PRESS RELEASE which you can STILL SEND OUT TO ALL YOUR NEWSPAPERS/RADIO/TV in YOUR CITY. Just amend the wording where necessary. THERE IS STILL TIME TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE MARCH 9-27-02! Bill posted the press release today, 9/6/02, here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36105&site=3>

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http://www.dailyindependent.com/kynews/275911719337540.php --- ASHLAND, KENTUCKY --- State Briefs 9/7/02 --- Group alleging JW abuse plans march --- LOUISVILLE — A group that contends widespread child molestation has occurred in the Jehovah's Witnesses church said it will have a national march for alleged victims in Louisville and other cities. --- Silentlambs, a victims' support group, will have the march at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., on Sept. 27, said William H. Bowen of Benton, Ky., co-founder of the group. --- "Abuse survivors and supporters will come from around the world to let the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership ... know we will no longer be ignored," Bowen said in a statement. --- Bowen, a former elder, was recently "disfellowshipped," or excommunicated, for causing divisions in the church. He alleges that Jehovah's Witnesses keep incidents of child molestation secret, won't allow victims to warn other members of abusers in their congregations, and require alleged victims to produce a witness. Those who speak out are cut off from the church and shunned, he said. --- J.R. Brown, the director of the media office at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters, declined to comment through an employee who would not give his name. --- From wire service reports Copyright ©1999 -2002 The Daily Independent, Inc. unless otherwise noted.

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PANAMA CITY --- Jehovah's Witnesses speak out --- SILENCE: Members want changes in the way the sect handles molestation claims. --- KEVIN PORTER THE NEWS HERALD --- http://olive.flacoast.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NHerald/2002/09/07&ID=Ar01704 --- A Bay County Jehovah's Witness has joined a growing number of the religious groups' members across the nation who are speaking out against the way it handles allegations of child molestation. --- By doing so, Steve Imhof, 54, most likely will be disfellowshipped, which means he won't be able to talk to family members and friends again. If Imhof violates that, church policies call for excommunication, too. --- "We have a great love for the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. We are saddened that we are forced to stand here due to the stubborn actions of prideful men who lead this church," Imhof said on Friday after being kicked off the premises of the Kingdom Hall on 19 th Street in Panama City. "The Jehovah's Witness leadership must change their policy and must apologize to the victims whose lives their policies have destroyed." --- A 38-year member of the tightknit group, Imhof says he is concerned because child-sex allegations are generally not reported to the police. Furthermore, he said victims are not allowed to seek counseling. --- Rather, he said, they are dealt with internally. Imhof said it's because of the beliefs' closed nature and its insistence on handling problems internally. --- "I have had seven children cry on my shoulder," he said. --- However, a spokesman for the Jehovah's Witnesses home base in New York said leaders, called elders, are not encouraged to condone molestation. --- "People have absolutely every right to go to the authorities," said J.R. Brown, director of public information. "We are sorry about people feeling overlooked and certainly for the victims." --- (SIDE NOTE from Swan at J-W.com who said re: JR's above "apology": " What the reporters need to ask is why when elders called HQ they were told to cover it up if they were just overlooked? They need to ask if it was overlooked, then why does HQ keep a database of over 20,000 names of perps? You don't enter all of that data into a database to overlook it." and another person asked: "If the Society can count time down to 15-minutes, how can they OVERLOOK something THIS HUGE?") --- Jehovah's Witnesses are a religious sect that shuns the outside world in many respects. They refuse to bear arms, salute the flag or participate in secular government. --- Imhof said church elders hear sex-abuse allegations. He said if the accuser denies the allegations, little more can be done in a judicial way. Congregations will continue to view the one accused as innocent. --- For the allegations to be heard, he said, it takes two eyewitnesses. --- "How often do children being raped have people standing by watching?" Imhof asked. --- He said there are many similarities between the crisis in the Catholic Church and the one he sees amongst Jehovah's Witnesses. However, Imhof says there is one major difference: Catholics are seeking to correct their mistakes. --- On Sept. 27, Imhof and other angry Jehovah's Witnesses will partake in a march through New York that will end at the front door of the home office of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn. The purpose is to put pressure on the organization to change its policies. --- Many of the marchers belong to a group called the Silent Lamb Organization and have been leaving symbolic lambs at Kingdom Halls across the country, representing victims who they believe were unfairly silenced. --- PHOTO: Steve Imhof had a white lamb doll in his pocket Friday, and tried to leave it at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witness on 19 th Street. The Silent Lamb Organization uses the symbol to represent victims they believe are unfairly silenced. --- News Herald Photos: Terry Barner Steve Imhof has spoken out against what he says is a cover-up of sexual abuse of children by Jehovah's Witnesses. Imhof says he will be cast out of the group for speaking out. --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&site=3>

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PORTLAND, OREGON --- Alleged Victim Speaks Out Against Abuse In Church --- March Planned In New York http://www.koin.com/webnews/20022/20020906_jwabuse.shtml --- PORTLAND -- Child sex abuse victims are launching a national campaign against the Jehovah's Witness church. --- Demonstrations were staged Thursday in 16 cities, including Portland. --- A former member of a Portland-area church claims she was abused. She told KOIN 6 News that church policies make it very difficult to report. --- "Pedophiles know they can be hidden in this organization because of the privacy they have," Pat Garza said. --- Victims are formally requesting an investigation into abuse allegations. --- They ask all victims to come forward and join in a national march later this month in New York to raise awareness. --- Posted: Sept. 6, 2002 --- All Material Copyright 2001-2002, KOIN or by original content developer --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36213&page=1&site=3#487851>

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SEATTLE TV NEWS COVERAGE: The KOMO TV 4 Interview --- This was GREAT! They had an elder who knew of one such case speak to the reporter. And, the poor victim began to cry telling her story! Also fantastic was they showed the WT website where it says "two witnesses" are needed! ---You can download it and watch the VIDEO here: http://www.seattle-chat.com/video --- The KOMO TV 4 Interview. <http://www.seattle-chat.com/video/> --- Write to the reporter: Tracy Vedder to say thanks: TracyV@komotv.com ---- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36160&site=3>

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NASHVILLE, TENNESSE, TV NEWS COVERAGE --- WKRN.COM --- http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=924294&nav=1ugBB5Z1 --- Sexual Abuse Allegations Within Jehovah's Witness Denomination --- Reporter: Wisdom Martin --- There are new allegations that a religious denomination is turning a blind eye to sexual abuse. This time, it is the Jehovah's Witnesses who stand accused. --- "For me, it took away any concept of trust in religious figures, authority figures, and parental figures." --- The woman who spoke to News 2 does not wish to be identified. She is a former Jehovah's Witness who claims she was abused when she was just 8-years-old by a congregation member. But when she spoke out, she said nothing was done. The women said she was also abused by a member of her congregation. --- "They act like they are the law, they can take care of it. Something like this, it's abuse, and they shouldn't be the ones taking care of it." --- Now, women like Barbara Anderson are ready to fight for change in the religion, so they've formed a victim's rights group called Silent Lambs. They believe the Jehovah's Witness sexual abuse polices are inadequate and harm children. --- "We believe they are responsible for policies that make it possible for perverted people to come into this organization to get at Jehovah's witness children," Barbara said. --- "We should of all persons, being Christians going by the bible, we should do the right thing for these abuse victims," said Joe Anderson. --- Joe Anderson was a Jehovah's Witness elder for over 50 years. --- "In the organization, you have to have two witnesses, and of course it's almost impossible to have two witnesses to a child molestation. So if a parent comes with their daughter to the elder, they ask and he says, no, I didn't do it, then that's the end of the matter." --- "I would like to see them recognize it, take it to the civil authorities and professionals that are capable and qualified to help the victims." --- News 2 contacted the Jehovah's Witness national office in NY, but they did not return our calls. The Silent Lambs organization will hold a march to bring awareness to their cause September 27th in Brooklyn, NY. --- News 2 at 5

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TUCSON, ARIZONA, PRESS COVERAGE: Tucson, AZ --- WE'VE BEEN HEARING THE PAST FEW MONTHS ABOUT CONCERNS OVER COVER-UPS OF CHILD MOLESTATION IN THE Catholic Church. ---TODAY, MEMBERS OF ANOTHER RELIGION ARE COMING FORWARD WITH SIMILAR ALLEGATIONS. THEY TALKED TO US DURING A DEMONSTRATION AT ONE OF SEVERAL JEHOVAH'S WITNESS KINGDOM HALLS NATIONWIDE. --- KINDRA HAS BEEN A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS FOR DECADES. SHE SAYS AS A CHILD, A FAMILY MEMBER MOLESTED HER. SHE TOLD HER PARENTS, AND HER PARENTS WENT TO THE ELDERS AT THEIR KINGDOM HALL. SHE SAYS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE TOLD NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE WITH ACCUSATIONS AGAINST A FELLOW MEMBER. --- I was told not to do that I was supposed to leave it in the elders hands that they would pray and they did prayer when I was there and that Jehovah would take care of it , and it kept happening, so as a child you only do what you're told. --- TODAY, KINDRA AND ANOTHER JEHOVAH'S WITNESS CAME TO THE KINGDOM HALL AT 29TH AND ROSEMONT TO DELIVER A SYMBOLIC LAMB - REPRESENTING THE MANY CHILDREN THEY SAY ARE SILENCED BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS POLICY. THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN NEARLY A DOZEN CITIES NATIONWIDE. --- I have nothing against the religion - I still want to attend. I want to do this for the children and change policies so that someone doesn't have to go through what i went through. --- JOHN BROWN SAYS THE RELIGION FORBIDS PUNISHMENT OF AN ACCUSED MOLESTER WHO DENIES ALLEGATIONS UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER EYEWITNESS TO THE ABUSE. --- But there never is unless somebody walks in on accident, a parent, while the perpetrator is committing the act. --- THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REPRESENTATIVES WE TALKED TO DID NOT WANT TO GO ON CAMERA. BUT ONE TOLD US THE ALLEGATIONS ARE RIDICULOUS. HE SAYS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE ONE OF THE MOST LAW-ABIDING GROUPS IN THE WORLD. HE ALSO MAINTAINS THEY DO NOT HAVE A POLICY OF SILENCING VICTIMS. --- KINDRA AND JOHN TELL US THEY CAN BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED, WHICH IS LIKE BEING EXCOMMUNICATED, FOR SPEAKING OUT - BUT THEY THINK IT'S WORTH IT. THEY ANNOUNCED A MARCH FOR VICTIMS, COMING UP SEPTEMBER 27TH IN BROOKLYN, NY, WHERE THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS HEADQUARTERS IS LOCATED. --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&page=1&site=3#486624>

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NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, MORE PRESS COVERAGE --- 09.05.02 --- Nashville, TN --- http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=923786&nav=1TcRB5AO --- Former church members march in protest --- People say they were molested as a child by a Jehovah's Witness --- by James Lewis --- Sex and religion make for a potent mix. And Thursday, some Jehovah's Witnesses are being targeted by former members about charges of child sexual abuse. They claim elders are covering it up. The worst part is that women say it's been going on for years. --- The best part is that it is now public, and they have hope that the problem may be addressed publicly by Jehovah's Witnesses. At the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall in Nashville, former member Barbara Anderson left a small stuffed lamb. It's her symbol of innocence lost. As a writer for the organization in NY, says she discovered multiple charges of sexual abuse being hushed up. --- "They're kind of isolated in their ivory tower and they do believe that all the world is controlled by Satan, that theirs is God's organization. They can make the rules," said Barbara Anderson. --- Nationwide Thursday in 16 major cities, demonstrations like this called for change within the religious organization. --- "It was from another member who was there," said "Lisa", who was abused when she was young. --- Lisa, not her real name, says as a 9-year-old child she was molested by a Jehovah's Witness. Despite telling the church - no one within the organization reported it to police. --- "Now that you're an adult, Lisa, what would you like to say to your attacker?" asked Channel 4 Reporter James Lewis. --- "I really feel sorry for him because as an adult I feel sorry that he has went through them because of his own way of trying to cover it up," said "Lisa". --- Former member Joe Anderson grieves for his former friends, but he sees hope that recent exposures will correct some wrongs. --- "Something is going to be done about it. And something has been done about it to a certain degree. But certainly more needs to be done but yeah I am happy to see them coming out with this," said Joe Anderson. --- Channel 4 News attempted to contact the presiding elders at the Jehovah's Witnesses, but none of them returned our calls. --- For more information about this cause, visit the www.SilentLambs.org web site.

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SEATTLE, WASHINGTON -- TV REPORT/TRANSCRIPT --- Seattle, WA --- New Allegations Of A Church Keeping Quiet About Child Sexual Abuse --- By Tracy Vedder --- http://www.komotv.com/stories/20208.htm --- - There are new allegations of a Church keeping quiet about child sexual abuse. But this time, it's a different church -- the Jehovah's Witnesses. --- Members from and across the country are beginning a campaign to put pressure on Church elders to change. --- They call themselves silent lambs -- Jehovah's Witnesses who say they were sexually molested and then forced by Church elders to keep silent. --- "Both my sister and I were abused by my stepfather," says Betty, who only wants us to use her first name. --- Jehovah's Witnesses require two witnesses to any alleged crime or sin. So as a child, Betty never told anyone. She kept quiet until she found out her little sister was also being molested. --- "I knew that if I didn't speak up, nobody was going to help her," says Betty. "I kept having nightmares that she was being molested and I couldn't move, I couldn't help her so I had to do something." --- But Betty says when she told church elders she was going to the police, they forced her to stay silent. Although that incident took place in another state, she says now that she is talking about it here in western , she will be kicked out and shunned by her friends and family. --- "And it hurts," sobs Betty, "because I really believed in it." --- Members of the Ravenna Kingdom Hall, where members of Silent Lambs gathered to protest, did not return phone calls. The Jehovah's Witnesses' headquarters says it is reviewing the situation. A spokesman referred us to their Web site, which says it is a victim's right to report abuse to police. --- But former elder Bruce Baker says church attorneys pressured him not to report child molestation. He is now part of a national movement trying to force Jehovah's Witnesses to change. --- "They basically, in a sense, have protected pedophiles within the group," says Baker. He says Jehovah's Witnesses simply excommunicate members who have molested, rather than turning them over to police and, he says, "they continue to molest children. They should have been reported years ago and they weren't." --- The Silent Lambs group hopes Jehovah's Witnesses will take a lesson from the Catholic Church and deal with the issue of sexual abuse openly. --- Silent Lambs announced plans Thursday for a nationwide march on Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters to protest policies on child rape cases. The march is scheduled for Sept. 27 in Brooklyn, NY. --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&page=1&site=3#486624>

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SEATTLE TIMES coverage of Press Conference --- 'Silentlambs' speak out about sex abuse Full story: --- http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis/web/vortex/display?slug=jehovah06m&date=20020906 --- By Christine Clarridge --- Seattle Times staff reporter --- Several former Jehovah's Witnesses stood outside a Kingdom Hall church near Green Lake yesterday with a tiny toy lamb whose mouth was covered with black electrician's tape. --- The symbolically silenced lamb ? delivered to the door of the fellowship hall ? represented the 5,000 members of the 6 million-member church who claim to have been sexually abused by leaders or others in the church. They further claim to have been silenced or ignored when they sought the church's guidance and protection. --- The news conference was one of about 16 across the country called to bring attention to "silentlambs," an organization planning a march on church headquarters in New York on Sept. 27. --- Started by a former church member who said he was dismayed by the way the church covered up allegations of abuse, silentlambs is calling for changes in church policies. --- "We want to open the doors, " said Bruce Baker, a former Jehovah's Witness leader in Oregon. "We want Watchtower headquarters to turn cases of abuse within the church over to the police and let the police handle it.'' --- National church leaders could not be reached for comment, but a spokesman recently told The New York Times that the church's policies on sexual abuse were based on the Bible and were exemplary. --- "We're not trying to say we handled everybody in the right way and our elders are all-knowing, all-perfect. But we say, if you take what our policy is for keeping our organization clean morally, it far outpaces anybody else's," spokesman J.R. Brown said. --- Jehovah's Witnesses is a Christian denomination that emphasizes biblical literalism and the imminent end of the world. Members are best-known in the secular world for giving out religious tracts and for not celebrating holidays and birthdays or allowing blood transfusions. --- Former members said the church's policies and culture conspire to conceal abuse. --- The small group of activists in Seattle included several ex-church members who have been "disfellowshipped" or excommunicated, as well as one woman who claimed the church did nothing to protect her and her sister when they came forward with claims of abuse. --- She said she went to her church leaders to ask for help because her stepfather, who had also sexually abused her, was abusing her younger sister. --- Her stepfather, who has since been disfellowshipped by the church, never paid a legal price for what she said were years of abuse. --- The scope of abuse within the denomination is a matter of debate. The church has recently been sued by eight people in four lawsuits around the country ? including one filed in Spokane ? alleging abuse. --- According to Bill Bowen, founder of silentlambs, there have been more than 5,000 current or former members nationwide who say that the church mishandled allegations of child sexual abuse. --- Christine Clarridge: 206-464-8983 or cclarridge@seattletimes.com.

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SEATTLE VIDEO PART #2 --- Seattle Press Conference Behind the Scenes now up ---- http://www.seattle-chat.com/video it is in Real Media format, if you don't have real player, then you can download the player for free from http://www.real.com Using this from now on, as it looks better, and compresses better. --- 4.1MB --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36237&site=3>

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TENNESEEAN.COM - PRESS COVERAGE --- Friday, 09/06/02 ---Middle Tennessee News & Information --- Couple to protest Jehovah's Witnesses --- by BILL STEBER / STAFF --- Barbara Anderson, a former Jehovah's Witness, places a toy lamb on the front doors of the Kingdom Hall on Bell Road as part of a national protest by ex-Witnesses who say the denomination has covered up child sexual abuse by members. --- By LEON ALLIGOOD, Staff Writer --- Placing a symbolic stuffed lamb on the steps of a suburban Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall, a Coffee County couple yesterday said they will help lead a protest march Sept. 27 at the headquarters of the denomination in Brooklyn, N.Y. --- ''We are going to let the whole nation know what is going on behind closed doors. There is a massive coverup under way, and we're not going to stand for it,'' said Barbara Anderson of Manchester, Tenn. --- Anderson and her husband, Joe, made the announcement yesterday at a Kingdom Hall on Bell Road. The Coffee County couple have received national attention since May for questioning how Jehovah's Witnesses have responded to allegations of child sexual abuse. --- Yesterday's news conference was one of 16 held in major cities across the country to announce the Sept. 27 march, which is expected to attract a hundred or more supporters. The meetings were arranged by ''Silentlambs,'' a support group for Jehovah's Witnesses who say they have been abuse victims. --- The Andersons have been disfellowshipped by the Kingdom Hall in Tullahoma, Tenn., where they attended. Disfellowshipping, the equivalent of excommunication, is the harshest punishment handed down by the organization against members. Shunning is included as part of the punishment, which separates families. --- ''You just can't imagine what this has been like for us. We can't see our grandchild any more. Our son and daughter-in-law won't allow it,'' Joe Anderson said. --- Attending the Nashville news conference yesterday were two local women who said they were abused as girls by members of their respective Kingdom Halls. --- ''We're speaking out now, as young women in our 20s, because we realize that what happened to us was wrong and that we are not alone. There are many of us who are suffering,'' one woman said. The Tennessean does not reveal identities of reported victims of sex crimes without consent. --- A spokesman for the New York-based Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the umbrella organization that is headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, said they were aware of the planned march later this month. --- ''But we won't issue a statement until that day,'' said a man who answered the phone in the press office at Watchtower headquarters. He asked that any statements be attributed to the organization's spokesman, J.R. Brown. --- Leon Alligood covers Tennessee for The Tennessean. Contact him at (615) 259-8279 or by e-mail at lalligood@tennessean.com.

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LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY, PRESS COVERAGE: --- http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/09/06/ke090602s271650.htm --- Local/Regional» News Item --- Friday, September 6, 2002 --- Group to march for molested children --- Jehovah's Witnesses want church to alter its policy, apologize --- By Darla Carter --- dcarter@courier-journal.com --- The Courier-Journal --- (Picture of Bill in a SL Teeshirt, holding the pink lamb) --- William H. Bowen of silentlambs, a group for abuse victims in the Jehovah's Witnesses church, left a stuffed lamb and a flier at Kingdom Hall on Lower River Road protesting church policies. --- PHOTOS BY MICHAEL HAYMAN --- (Picture of the pink lamb with mouth sewn shut) --- Stuffed lambs, here at Kingdom Hall in southern Jefferson County, were left at Jehovah's Witnesses churches across the country yesterday. --- An event being billed as the first national march for victims of child molestation within the Jehovah's Witnesses church was announced yesterday in Louisville and other cities around the country. --- Silentlambs, a victims' support group, will hold the march at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., on Sept. 27, said William H. Bowen of Benton, Ky., cofounder of the group. --- ''Abuse survivors and supporters will come from around the world to let the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership . . . know we will no longer be ignored,'' Bowen said in a statement. --- He left a pink stuffed animal in the shape of a lamb on the door of a Jehovah's Witnesses church in southern Jefferson County as a symbol of victims everywhere that his group says have been silenced by church policy. The gesture was repeated in every city where the march was announced, from Los Angeles to Orlando, Fla. --- Bowen, a former elder who was recently ''disfellowshipped,'' or excommunicated, for causing divisions in the church, alleges that Jehovah's Witnesses keep incidents of child molestation secret, won't allow victims to warn other members of abusers in their congregations, and require alleged victims to produce a witness. Those who speak out are cut off from the church and shunned, he said. --- ''The Jehovah's Witnesses leadership (Governing Body) must change their policy and must apologize to the victims whose lives their policies have destroyed,'' Bowen said in the statement. ''On September 27th we arrive in good faith to make testimony to the public and testify before Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body to give closure to victims and protect our children.'' --- Bowen, who helped found silentlambs in spring 2001, said his group has been contacted by 5,000 alleged victims, many of whom have said, ''I thought I was all alone.'' The group, which has a hot line and a Web site -- (877) 982-2873 and www.silentlambs.org <http://www.silentlambs.org> -- provides emotional support, advice and a sense that someone believes them, Bowen said. --- J.R. Brown, the director of the media office at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters, declined to comment through an employee who would not give his name. --- In the past, officials with the Jehovah's Witnesses have said they abhor child molestation, report cases to authorities in states that require such reports and allow members to report fellow members to police. --- Bowen said he plans to push for legislation in Kentucky that would require clergy to report alleged abuse to police. --- ''I would like for every single child molester in the church to be turned in,'' he said.

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DON'T FORGET TROOPERS! Now we need to write a THANK YOU to all of these newspaper, TV, and radio reporters & stations to THANK THEM for their coverage of the SILENT LAMBS PRESS CONFERENCES last Thursday 9-5-02!!! Most of the articles have either a link and/or an email addy with them. THANKS!!! /SLC

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UNITED KINGDOM RESIDENTS!!! BILL IS COMING YOUR WAY 9-16-02!!! WILL YOU SUPPORT SILENT LAMBS? Read about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36258&site=3

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WHEN BUYING stuffed lambs to place at KHalls in your city and/or to send to NY: Here's what Bill wrote: "Try your local walmart, they have some in stock for a reasonable cost. You might also try goodwill or second hand stores, the more beat up damaged the better. Much the way abuse survivors are treated within the congregation. silentlambs" (Also Toys-R-Us, Salvation Army Stores, etc.)

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Tracy W . . . .sounds like you have been through more than enough for one lifetime. Remember the best revenge is LIVING WELL. So whatever it takes to make your life happy and better ---do it. If you can get some counseling or read some self help books---do it. I personally like Dr Laura---10 Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives. But whatever makes you feel whole again and worthy---do it. Do it today---Change your life while you're still young.

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Tracy W . . . .sounds like you have been through more than enough for one lifetime. Remember the best revenge is LIVING WELL. So whatever it takes to make your life happy and better ---do it. If you can get some counseling or read some self help books---do it. I personally like Dr Laura---10 Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives. But whatever makes you feel whole again and worthy---do it. Do it today---Change your life while you're still young.

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hi my name is Kathy Engwis{katiakatia54@aol.com } i was recently disfellowshipped after 25yrs of whole souled service. i was molested as a child but not by anyone in the W.T org. the affects of my abuse eventually affected my ability to attend meeting regularly as well as an hourly decline in the door to door service. the elders lack of loving compassion stunned me!! soon i was no longer invited to gatherings,asked out in service etc. so i ended up visiting the SDA church [SIMILAR TEACHINGS}and for those who were jw's know i must have been desperate for christ like love!!!!! so because i would not agree to stop visiting the church they disfellowshipped me! just like that! those who are still jw's don't realize how dispensable they really are. just remember this there is freedom in christ. thank you for all you've done, your journey has been a tough one but God would not have put it in your heart if he didn't think you were the right man for the job. God bless.

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what's the story every time I write a good post it get's lost it's like I'm wasting my time i wrote such a good post to no name my cross fell off my neck. I will be at the march, but I have to live my life and stop spending all my free time trying to help JW's. I want to live my life in peace with Christ. John

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This is directed toward all the JW defenders who feel the need to leave messages on this guest book: Why are you signing onto this website if you believe that we are apostate? Isn't that against the JW's rules? What would the elders say?

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its great to hear Depeche Mode tracks on the 'behind the scenes' press conference download. I hope all goes well with the march in Brooklyn. Rich

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I am still looking for someone that knows of J.W.s viewing, showing or making porn with children. Contact me at cosmicjill@planetkc.com. Thank you& peace to all, jill

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RE: MORE LOCAL SILENTLAMBS ACTIVITY IN YOUR CITY: Per Bill's above post (from Sunday) asking everyone to STILL take time to deliver lambs and/or hold press conferences in ALL OF YOUR OWN CITIES... ----- Please go to this tread <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36269&page=1&site=3#489126> ----- as a lady is ordering LAMBS IN BULK which you can then get from her for your local area. The lambs are either 10" or 12" with a little a "www.silentlambs.org" tie that will tie around their necks, and for $1.64 EACH! plus postage to your address. Please go to the above thread now if you would like to put in your "dubs" for some of these lambs. She is ordering 100 of them! THANKS/SLC

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WATCHTOWER FINED $50,000.00 BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY FOR POLLUTING! You can order your own copy from here: (FOIL) Freedom of Information Law --- New York State Department of Environmental Conservation --- Division of Environmental Enforcement, 14th Floor --- 625 Broadway, Albany, New York 12233-5500 --- Since Watchtower attempted to "ruin the earth" they were required to post $25,000.00 Bond in their Cleanup effort. If Watchtower continues to comply with the law of the land, $20,000.00 of the $50,000.00 FINE is suspended. ----- You can read more about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36270&page=1&site=3#489139

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IS CELEBRATING YOUR BIRTHDAY the SAME as CREATURE WORSHIP? You be the judge: A FUNNY picture here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36284&page=1&site=3#489150

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HOW MANY MORE???? --- EXCELLENT ARTICLE with the INSIDE STORY of the HQ's HISTORY RE: CHILD ABUSE --- http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/2002/09/04.html--- Wednesday, September 04, 2002 --- By Michael Morris --- How many more times must children of Jehovah's Witnesses suffer the humiliation and agony of sexual abuse before church leaders decide to change their policies? How many more lives must be broken? --- It is not a question of whether charges of such abuse in the group have reached the ears of the leaders of the 6 million-member sect, which includes a million members in the US. One of those magazines in the hand of the earnest Jehovah's Witness at your door on a Saturday morning, Awake!, in the October 8, 1991 issue, featured a cover series on the problem of child sexual abuse in modern society. The series was in response to an influx of letters from members, recounting their tales of abuse and their concerns about its handling in the church. --- Barbara Anderson, 62, of Tullahoma, Tennessee, was a staff member for Awake! at that time. She recalled in a recent interview that this October 8 issue seemed to give voice to a newfound tolerance toward psychotherapy, and displayed a previously unheard-of willingness to consider the validity of ?repressed memories? in assessing charges of abuse. It was a ray of hope, a glimmer of progressive thinking in an insular and secretive group. --- Nowhere did such thinking find more opposition than in the very building that published it. The governing body member who administered the writing department, Lloyd Barry, now deceased, and the governing body member who oversaw the Service Department, in charge of the congregations, Ted Jaracz, were entrenched in battle. When elders, lay ministers in the congregations, called in confusion to the service department, they were told, according to Anderson, that the magazine was ?a mistake.? --- Mistake or not, Awake! opened the floodgates and a torrent of correspondence came into the group?s Brooklyn Heights headquarters. J. R. Brown, now spokesman for the group, was working in the writing department at that time, and personally passed on information to the governing body concerning this influx of response. In a recent interview, he acknowledged that these letters included claims that cases of child sexual abuse brought to the elders were ?not handled properly? and that members were told that they ?should not make this known.? --- By early 1992, just months after the publication of the October 8, 1991 Awake!, the accusations of mishandled cases of child sexual abuse had reached a new level. According to Anderson, ?some of the governing body were aware in 1992 that there were confessed or convicted pedophiles, who claimed repentance, holding positions of authority in the organization.? Meanwhile, abuse survivors who were able to muster the courage to come forward were being met with ?skepticism or downright hostility.? --- Ten years ago, if not earlier, church leaders knew that widespread allegations of child sexual abuse were coming in from their own members. --- It is also not a question of whether the group?s policies in handling allegations of abuse internally could lead to an abuser finding protection instead of accountability. The Witnesses live under the simple delusion that all outsiders are co-conspirators with Satan, so when faced with a serious problem members turn to their untrained lay ministers: the congregation elders. These men, appointed by Holy Spirit (by way of headquarters), wield the Holy Scriptures, rendering them ?completely equipped? (1 Timothy 3:15, 16) for whatever problems members may have to bring to them, including child sexual abuse. The criterion for evaluating any charge is likewise simple and scriptural, if daunting (Deuteronomy 19:15): there must be two eyewitnesses. --- The elders cross-examine the alleged victim -- often still a minor -- about the intimate details of the act. The intent is to identify what level of sin the charge entails, and whether the victim was somehow complicit in the act, by wearing seductive clothing or failing to scream while being raped. They may even require the accuser to face the accused and repeat the charge. When the accused denies wrongdoing, the elders then must ask for the nearly impossible burden of proof of two eyewitnesses to be met. Failing that, they declare the accused innocent before God. They also remind the accuser that malicious gossip ? like spreading accusations of abuse against someone whom God has declared innocent ? could result in their expulsion from the congregation, and subsequent shunning by family, friends and God himself. Then, they close with prayer. --- The governing body codified such procedures in the secret elder?s manual Pay Attention to Yourselves and All the Flock, though it is obvious that such a burden of proof could provide a de facto shelter for secretive child sex abusers. The result for many is that victims are silenced while abusers are exonerated. The abuse continues. --- Witness leaders also cannot feign ignorance to the dangers of having known child sex abusers in positions of authority in the group, or having them preaching in their emblematic door-to-door ministry. Instead, the seemed to move in a direction of excluding penitent pedophiles from leadership privileges, though explicitly prescribing evangelism as a token of faith even for convicted child sex offenders. --- Both issues were addressed in the other journal published by the group, The Watchtower of January 1, 1997. It stated, for the first time, that a ?known? molester ?would not qualify for congregation privileges,? such as becoming an elder or ministerial servant (deacon). However, a secret letter to all bodies of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997, quietly backpedaled: ?An individual ?known? to be a former child molester has reference to the perception of that one in the community and in the Christian congregation.? As for determining whether those already in a position of authority had a history of molestation, the letter directed that ?the body of elders should not query individuals.? --- Unknown to the faithful, who would have taken the Watchtower as gospel, molesters could remain in positions of authority at all levels of the organization. The contents of that letter, though leaked on the Internet, remain a secret to the lay members of the group. ?It was explained to the elders,? said Brown, ?and it is not a part of our standard way of handling things to always inform every detail of matters to the congregation in general. What is stated there [in the January 1, 1997 Watchtower] and the way it?s stated there, without the clarification, is certainly what happens most of the time.? --- The same issue of The Watchtower insured that not even a history of criminal child sexual abuse would exclude a penitent member from being required to engage in the Witnesses public preaching activity. Speaking of a molester who may have recently been released from prison, it states, ?if he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress [and] share in the field ministry.? --- Brown reassured that a penitent predatory pedophile might be offered alternatives to going door-to-door, at the discretion of the local elders. "We consider just as valid if he sits on a bench in a mall with magazines and offers them to people there. Or, if he calls up on a telephone." --- As a matter of policy, the governing body stipulated that known child molesters may hold positions of authority in the church and that even criminal child sex offenders must engage in public preaching. --- Underscoring all of this is the refusal of church leaders to simply instruct their members to call civil authorities when allegations of child sexual abuse arise. Instead, a February 15, 2002 letter to all bodies of elders in the United States proffers the advice to immediately call the group?s Legal Department whenever facing allegations of child sexual abuse in the congregation. The letter clarifies that the elders should ?never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child abuse to the police or other authorities.? The simple advice that it may be the parents? legal obligation to notify authorities, as caretakers of the minor, is never mentioned. Nor is a list of states that mandate reporting of abuse by clerics provided to the elders by their leaders, even though the US government maintains such information, and published it at the National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information ( http://www.calib.com/nccanch/ --- Why not encourage psychotherapy, take child sexual abuse out of the hands of untrained elders, refuse to allow know molesters to be in positions of authority, exclude them from public ministry, and inform parents of their obligation to notify authorities of allegations of abuse? Why not adopt a policy of informing authorities of possible child endangerment regardless of local statute? Why not take the moral high ground on child sexual abuse, when you presume to take God?s name as your own? --- The leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses knows that today -- maybe even right now -- there is a child trembling beneath the hands of a child sex abuser among their members. They know that maybe a change in their policies could put an end to that, but they refuse to act in a way that consistently places child sexual abuse under those who are trained to deal with it. What do they have to hide? How many more victims, and how many more unspeakable acts will it take for them to see the need to change? How many more little children have to die inside to try to escape the horrid plague that their moral leaders are afraid to confront? --- One child is too many. Two survivors of child sexual abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses already dwell under my roof. How many more will it take? --- E-mail Michael to comment on this article, here: mikepence@yahoo.com

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WHAT HAS J.R. BROWN BEEN SAYING? Read all of JR BROWN's comments on the PEDOPHILE ISSUE compiled into one nice compact thread here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36289&site=3>

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ARE YOU GETTING CONFUSED on what the WTS says or does regarding CHILD ABUSE CASES? Here's a SIMPLE, CLEAR CUT OUTLINE, in 1-2-3 FORMAT: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36289&site=3

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FEELING LIKE you CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE RE: SILENT LAMBS? Here is ONE thread where it has all been brought together: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35836&site=3>

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UNITED KINGDOM FOLKS! SILENT LAMBS is having a PRESS CONFERENCE NEXT WEEK at the BRANCH OFFICE: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36258&site=3> (If this is a repost, sorry!)

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The GOVERNING BODY v. SILENT LAMBS??? What do YOU THINK will happen? <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36247&site=3>

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BIBLE PROPHECY & SILENT LAMBS? What are people saying/thinking? <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36275&page=1&site=3#489237>

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BOER v WTS SEX ABUSE TRIAL in CANADA BEGAN TODAY (where Barbara Anderson will be testifying): Here's the first post from 9-6-02: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36147&site=3> and this one from today, 9-9-02: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36310&page=1&site=3#489311>

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WOW! Thanks for all the responses. I didn't know that little old RJ could cause such a ruckus! You guys have not let me down. This little experiment I have been running over the past few weeks has proven my point. The point being that you guys are no better than the JW's you are bashing. You see we both seem to take issue with some things. You take issue with injustice at the hands of certain individuals. You in turn take the injustice you have suffered at the hands of a few (the few being by no means the majority of JW's) and then try to make us all look bad. That is what I have taken exception to. If you have noticed I have NEVER posted anything that even claims that abuse has not occurred within our organization, I have not even condoned it. That is because I do not condone it! I sincerely feel sorry for any child that has suffered abuse no matter what religion they belong too. I however am outraged that I too must suffer the injustice of being branded a child molester simply because I am a JW. This is because of the language coming from the angry posts that whether you will admit it or not is intentionally done to make us all look bad. You have taken your anger against the few and turned it against the masses!That is exactly what this site and this room would have everyone believe. Everyone talks about feelings in here and the innocent, but I am here to tell you that I am not a child molester but because I am a JW and don't agree with the way everyone is going about things in here I am branded as one. i.e., Sheila Madonia and her accusation that I am "probably a perv" Sheila where is your witness to that? John and others have defended everyone's right to be mad at the way they were treated, I have never questioned that right, what I have questioned is branding all of us bad because of the actions of a few. Your definitions of "innocent" would then apply to me as one who has never committed such an horrific act. Sheila, John, RMK and others you have responded to me in the same way you condemn JW's for, with anger, selective shunning, with abusive speech and accusations. Who is better than who? John do you have the right to be angry and I don't? Do you have the right to degrade JW's and it is OK, but I can't dare say anything against your cause? Talk about double standards! This is the entire point behind my posts. They have proved that we are all in the same boat. We are all sinners, weak and imperfect. If you can't practice what you preach as you claim is common among JW's then your cause is no more worthy than ours. What if those who made up the main part of this room were calling the shots, would you expect me to be any more confident in you than in the GB? We all feel strongly about something in here. I feel strongly that I am walking in the way of Jehovah, I feel confident that any injustice will be taken care of by Jehovah, even if it is within the governing body. This is the nature of imperfect beings, mistakes happen, and things have always been taken care of within Jehovah's people. When I say "people" I mean anyone claiming to worship God in truth. The Israelites constantly received reproof and discipline. I am sorry if anyone in here has personally been hurt in the past or by abuse. Remember though that I did not personally do it, I am as innocent as you claim to be and it is not fair to be branded by your hot irons. Would it be fair if a member of your family was arrested on either false or true charges and then the rest of the town lynched your entire family because of his actions? That is what you are trying to do to me and other faithful JW's. We are decent people as a whole who try to live by Bible standards but I am evil because I am a JW. That is my point. I do not expect you to understand this reasoning because quite simply I believe that some in here do not care about the way I feel. Before you respond remember that you came to this site because you were just looking for someone who cared about your feelings and could express your voice. I will refrain from making any posts that are sarcastic or off subject as long as the rest of my innocent brothers are not blasphemed in the way you condemn us for. <***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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Trollman, What you really need to do is realize there is some people will think that all JW's are pedophiles, not everyone thinks that. It is a concern why you take this to heart though. We are just trying to change the policy on how this certain subject is handled. You have to admit, when there is a pedophile concerned, he is not going to have any witnesses around when he abuses a child. We don't want you or any other innocent JW to be attacked. But, Trollman, if you are aware, and other JW's are aware, that this is going on then maybe this alone might make a difference. I sincerely doubt it though. You need to stop attacking us and really sincerely walk in Jesus's footsteps. Did not Jesus say "let the children come to me"? As a brother, you should have some compassion in your heart. I don't see it anywhere in your letters. I believe you are lacking in this. Trollman, better get that checked out. You, need to put yourself in our shoes for just one second. It is not a sin to do this, you know. And realize that this website is for children being abused. We are walking in Jesus footsteps. We want the children to be able to come to us. The ones that are being abused need us very badly. And you are making them feel like they are doing something wrong. Just like the elders made them feel. Stop it Trollman. That is not from Jehovah. I know this for a fact. Why do you care? It must be no different from any other "apostate site" in your book. Think about it! Laura

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RJ, You really must be a "brother" possibly and "elder" who else could pick and choose what they wish out of the posts that have occurred. You have been rude to John, you laughed at the press conferences. I see you waited to post again under September, do you think no one remembers what YOU'VE said about Bill and the work being done. Don't get holier than thou when you are the sarcastic, malicious spirit here on the board. I didn't call you a perv I asked you the question, basically that someone that can clearly avoid the reason this board his here and continue being so cruel must have a hidden agenda....I see in the new post you failed to mention that you felt I was a Lesbian???? GEE...RJ do you know what the fruits of the spirit are, or are you a mindless drone??? Why bother coming here at all? Do you have a real reason? A test for the next sixty seconds RJ will be conducting a test LOL Sheila M

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RJ – Please move on. This is nameless. no need to defend yourself with a response. You made your point, as I did, and they reply as they see it. But don't engage in lengthy discussions. Please I am concerned for you.

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MIDNIGHT MADNESS "Sale" to help the SILENT LAMBS NON-PROFIT Foundation with assisting children & lambs first and foremost, for the Andersons to be able to travel to testify in court cases (such as the Boer v. WTS going on right now), for Bill to go to the UK for the Press Conference next week, for upgrading the website someday! to pay for the #800 provided for SilentLambs who need to call free of charge, for xeroxing, printing SL fliers, postage, etc. etc. As you can imagine there are many expenses to be covered. PLEASE SUPPORT SILENT LAMBS and at the SAME TIME help get the MESSAGE OUT: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36323&page=1&site=3#489413

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rj ; i never called you a molester. i don,t have 2 sets of scales. nor have i heard any one here say all jw,s are molesters..what makes you mad is when we expose the wt for the false christ that it is. they lie every week. read sept.1 2002 wt pg 25 para 1 then find out when millions now living will never die said the world was to end. this is a clear as day LIE!! FOR PEOPLE WHO DO THEIR HOMEWORK!!!!!IF YOU WANT TO LEARN IF THE WT IS LYING TO JW,S I WILL HELP YOU...IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO TEST THE WT THEN YOU CA,NT BE A CHRISTIAN. THERE IS SO MUCH FOR JW,S TO LEARN. ONCE YOU REALLY KNOW THE HISTORY , THE LIES THE WT PRINTS WEEKLY IS ENOUGH TO MAKE A JW CRY..BUT YOU HAVE TO OPEN YOUR EYES FIRST!!!AND THE WT DON,T WANT JW'S TOO!!!!!THE WT SAYS JESUS CHOOSE THE WT IN 1919. BASED ON THERE RECORD.TILL THAT TIME.GO FIND WT BOOKS AND MAG,S UP TILL 1919. AND READ THEM .I SPENT 2 YEARS DOING THIS. IF ANY PERSON DOES THIS. THEY WILL SEE THE WT WAS NEVER CHOOSEN BY JESUS. THE WT IS JUST ONE BIG LIE!!!!!!YOU AND ALL JW'S ARE THE ONES USING THE TRUE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN!!!!TILL YOU CAN PROVE JESUS CHOOSE THE WT. IN 1919 TO BE HIS VOICE FOR ALL MAN KIND.. I NEVER MEET ONE JW THAT COULD DO THIS.. YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!NOW YOU HAVE JUST HEARD WHAT IS IN FACT THE "TRUTH" MAY YOU USE IT WISELY.

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Sheila, where's your compassion and forgiveness? You can quote the fruits of the spirit and other of your favorite scriptures that apply to everyone else but you, but where's your fruits of the spirit? I was reaching out to you and the others in here and you proceeded to slam me. Maybe you are going to see a new RJ. But if everyone keeps the hate machine going why would I feel compelled to change my sarcastic posts. No one but Laura even addressed my point of view regarding the branding of all JW's as evil. That is because I still feel you have your own agenda that goes beyond helping abused children, it has to do with getting even with the WTS and you don't care who you step on in the process. What is different about your agenda than the WTS? Prove me wrong Sheila and show a little bit more tolerance in here. Show that by your responses you can refrain from retaliation and maybe I will change the error of my ways. I admit my posts have been harsh but I believe my virtue has been attacked the same as yours. You heard nothing I said in my earlier post. Instead you try to pick it apart and pull out the pieces you want to attack and in the process miss the entire point. THE POINT: We are all sinners and no one in here is any better than the others. That has been proven by not only my attacks on you but your counter attacks on me. You don't know me but you make it seem that all JW's think they are better than everyone else. I do not think I am better than anyone else, if you knew me you would know that I in know way feel superior to anyone. Do you hate all JW's? Am I an evil person because I choose to remain one and put my confidence in Jehovah? Answer my questions honestly if you expect some honesty from me in future posts.....If your answer to these questions is NO, then that is my entire point. How about some sensitivity for the innocent whose names are being defamed? Since everyone has branded me a Troll I leave you with my signature...<***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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RJ I JUST POSTED THAT TO YOU AND TO ALL JW'S OUT THERE!!!MAKE SURE YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT GOSPEL YOUR PREACHING BEFORE YOU KNOCK ON THE NEXT DOOR!!!!!I SPEAK AS A FRIEND

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JOHN

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Hey YOU! And YOU! and YOU TOO!!! All of you people arguing back and forth, calling each other names, Yeah YOU!!!!! With all your arguing and squabbling, have any of YOU noticed the posts where some are asking to be contacted and need some encouragement and support????!!!!! How about DancingMoonLite? Am I the only one responding to these pleas for someone to talk to?!!! How about Kathy?! Any one written to either of them except me?! How about getting off these pathetic, rambling subjects that don't serve any purpose but the fill this board with nothing but arguing and squabbling?!!! How are the victims out there going to react when they come here to post their own stories and ask for our help, when all they'll see the last several days, if not WEEKS, is nothing but rambling arguments back and forth?!!! How are YOU helping the Silentlambs effort in your arguing?!!! Linda Thoman If anyone posting here would like someone to talk to, or if you need help, or you want to get in contact with someone local to you, email me at Linthoman@hotmail.com

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Hey YOU! And YOU! and YOU TOO!!! All of you people arguing back and forth, calling each other names, Yeah YOU!!!!! With all your arguing and squabbling, have any of YOU noticed the posts where some are asking to be contacted and need some encouragement and support????!!!!! How about DancingMoonLite? Am I the only one responding to these pleas for someone to talk to?!!! How about Kathy?! Any one written to either of them except me?! How about getting off these pathetic, rambling subjects that don't serve any purpose but the fill this board with nothing but arguing and squabbling?!!! How are the victims out there going to react when they come here to post their own stories and ask for our help, when all they'll see the last several days, if not WEEKS, is nothing but rambling arguments back and forth?!!! How are YOU helping the Silentlambs effort in your arguing?!!! Linda Thoman If anyone posting here would like someone to talk to, or if you need help, or you want to get in contact with someone local to you, email me at Linthoman@hotmail.com

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Hey YOU! And YOU! and YOU TOO!!! All of you people arguing back and forth, calling each other names, Yeah YOU!!!!! With all your arguing and squabbling, have any of YOU noticed the posts where some are asking to be contacted and need some encouragement and support????!!!!! How about DancingMoonLite? Am I the only one responding to these pleas for someone to talk to?!!! How about Kathy?! Any one written to either of them except me?! How about getting off these pathetic, rambling subjects that don't serve any purpose but the fill this board with nothing but arguing and squabbling?!!! How are the victims out there going to react when they come here to post their own stories and ask for our help, when all they'll see the last several days, if not WEEKS, is nothing but rambling arguments back and forth?!!! How are YOU helping the Silentlambs effort in your arguing?!!! Linda Thoman If anyone posting here would like someone to talk to, or if you need help, or you want to get in contact with someone local to you, email me at Linthoman@hotmail.com

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TRACY W............................I am so sorry you have been through so much. I am a victim too and have a hard time explaining some of the actions I have done or my way of thinking. Have you talked to a counselor? For some it helps. Please email my aunt Linda at linthoman@hotmail.com to get in touch with me she will forward your addy to me if you ever just need to talk and want to do so privately. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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DID WE FORGET????????????????????????why this site is here????? Most of this has NOTHING to do with abuse---sexual or physical abuse. Yes we have all been abused in one way or another by the org. This isn't the place to discuss what the WT has lied about and how it made us feel when we found out they were liars. This particular site is for VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE!!!!!! Some who have been physically abuse can find comfort too, but the MAIN OBJECTIVE is SEXUAL ABUSE!!!! I stopped posting here because everyone was arguing. Some of you think I am new here---I am not new---I am disgusted and disappointed in the turn the site has made and chose not to be a part of the childish bickering. Has anyone greeted the new victims coming here due to the current media?????????????? The JW's coming in here are trying their hardest to get us off topic and have been succeeding. Let RJ and no name rant all they want----why give them the attention the new victims here so desperately need!!!!!!!! What have you all done to help the silentlambs here???? Probably scared a lot of them off!!!!!!!! I have been to two press conferences and will be doing things locally since I can't be in NYC. I have been passing out flyers and contacting news people. What are you doing??????????? You waste your time arguing with people who won't listen to reason no matter what you say!!!!!! WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE HERE FOR THE LAMBS------NOT THE RANTINGS OF BRAINWASHED JW's!!!!!!! (if you are a JW and try to get a rise out of me by replying to what I have said, don't bother---you won't get a rise or response from me). I hope everyone understands what I am trying to say. Is it going to take me and Linda to come here everyday to keep everyone on track?? I am a homemaker so I have all the time in the world to be on the computer. Let's stay on topic people!!!!!! We will be having a lot of people coming here to see what silentlambs is all about, and the arguing needs to stop so they can feel comfortable enough to post or reach out to us. STOP FIGHTING AND STAY ON TOPIC PLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE!!!!-------------------Love Jesika Thoman, Dallas Tx

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ok rj i just read your post to shelia..do i hate all jw,s. NO i don,t hate anyone. i try to wake you up. you asked are you evil because you stay a jw and follow jehovah. yes you are evil ,because you will say anything to protect the wt. being a jw makes you a follower of the wt . not of the true god of the bible.the wt teaches death to all who don,t follow them. jw,s can not except the fact that they are not god's chosen people .. if you read the gospel it says any who confess out loud jesus died and rose in the flesh .and is the begotten son of god,not an angel .that jesus is the only name needed for salvation. if you really do your homework you will see that the wt is leading all jw,s to death! the bible says so. the wt wants jws to die just like the gb truly knows they are false christs. and they have death. and i can judge the wt . i just test their books. each time i find another lie .i know the gb is not speaking for gods glory. the gb is speaking for their own glory . jn 7-18 ....once you open your eyes you will see the wt prints blasphemy. it takes a love for god to find you have been lied to by men in brooklyn.. now go back and do some of the homework i left for you.and all jw,s here. if in your research the holy sprit takes off the wt rose colored glasses and saves you . it will be your gain....freedom in christ to all john

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Hey all, This is my first visit to your lil' community, and while I am actively involved in fighting paedophilia, I found it very difficult to make any sense of all this. Plenty of vitriol here, but little content that is worthwhile in any way, shape, or form. I have therefore come to the conclusion that this is merely a hate site, dedicated to intolerant people everywhere. Sure, churches are responsible for some of the greatest crimes, and definitely have been a haven for, and protected, and harbored child molesters. There is every reason to hate and despise those who victimize children "in God's name". But your hidden agenda is what troubles me. Are you really against CHILD MOLESTORS or are you just using the whole issue for your own personal propaganda ? You seem to me to be nothing but bitter and twisted people. You are almost as sick and demented as the perpetrators themselves.

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Hi All, I'm from a family of Jehovah's Witnesses and I'm glad a lot of these things are being exposed. I was never baptized into them but was made to go to Kingdom Hall. I watched as they disfellowshipped my Aunt and told us not to speak to Her for a year. As the meeting was over I walked right up to Her and hugged Her and told Her I loved Her.She whispered to me and said you are not suppose to talk to me. Right in front of all, I said do think I care what they think? I had my own mind. At age ten I saw a blind man healed and my 8 month sister healed, she was supposed to be dead by morning of colitis. When My grandma told me God doesn't heal, I said too late to tell me that, I already saw it for myself. That's when I began to realize there was a real true and loving GOD. Not just some one on paper, some one real who would care about us and personally touch our lives. I was saved at ten years of age on an old swinging bridge. A Christian missionary witnessing met me half way and ask me if I would rather go to heaven instead hell. I said yes, she said the sinners prayer with me, and be assured I had an experience with God that day, something no one had ever told me about. I love all of you for what you are doing. Carol Hall Cumberland, Ky.40823 <crystal_star48@hotmail.com> e-mail me any time.

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No longer a Witness, I know of a classic case of father-daughter abuse, that the entire family and congregation covered up. The wife knew it was going on, the siblings knew, even my ex-wife who was born and raised in the religion and was this girls child hood friend knew and still remains silent. Sick-- isn't it? Hate is a strong word but that is where I am with JW's. They robbed me of the prime of my life. At least I had the courage to break free. I appreciate your courage to help the lambs. Madison WI

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Madison WI>>>Yes that is sick. It is rampant within JW's, and what we're here for. All the victims of abuse need a place to go to speak out, to cry out, to ROAR if need be! All of us Silentlambs know the pain and heartache brought by the perps in our cases, and we're working hard to put a stop to it! JW's can put their head in the sand all they want, I really don't care. It's the victims we're here to help. Welcome to the board. Linda Thoman

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Jesika and Linda, Yes, your right about getting off topic. Now about the sole purpose of the site though. The site is for battered and abuses lambs, there are many forms of abuse and to say that this is directed solely for sexual is I think doing a great disservice to others that have emotional and physical abuses done to them. No one should be made to feel like, ooops I'm in the wrong place. Abuse is abuse it's all about a sense of power. As for asking what others are doing, I'm sure all Silent Lambs are doing WHAT THEY CAN in their circumstance. The comment I felt was a little to reminiscent of the JW's forcing service down everyone's throat. If a Silent Lamb is even just doing enough to get the topic out and that's what they feel comfortable with GREAT. As Bill said it takes time for people to heal there is no set time table. So for those out there don't feel bad if your not up to handing out flyers and lambs. Just do what YOU CAN to make sure this is known to everyone. Each to their own time Peace Sheila

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I don't recommend a discussion of this subject on silentlambs.....but if you have an interest in the CROSS or STAKE you must read this : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36340&site=3

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carol hall that's one of the best stories i heard here. how at a young age you didn't listen to the elders, and still talked to your aunt, that is so beautiful. how a 10 year old girl. has more common sense and christian love . than god's sprit directed org. hang around we need more people like you...john

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will someone please post what happened with the child molestation case in canada. someone got the GRITS ON this. did you get my offer to stay with me if you can come to the march J_CHITO@msn.com

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09 Sep 2002
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trollman: This site is for victims of abuse, and their supporters. Are they sometimes bitter and angry? Yes. Are they maybe angry that the organization let them down? Yes. Are they angry that most, if not all, either deny or minimize the abuse and it's coverup? YES YES YES. This site is NOT about YOU, unless you choose to either support the victims by words or means. Don't victimize anyone here again by clouding the issues. Pistoff

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10 Sep 2002
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Is there anyone in Seattle passing the lambs out to the kingdom halls??? I need to know soon. Laura

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Church made her cover up sexual abuse, woman says By JANE GADD COURTS REPORTER Tuesday, September 10, 2002 Page A18 A former Jehovah's Witness who says her church forced her to cover up years of sexual abuse by her father told Ontario Superior Court yesterday that church elders use the fear of Armageddon to silence her and other abuse victims. Victoria Boer, 31, testifying at the trial of her $700,000 lawsuit against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Canada, said she was driven to the brink of suicide when society elders told her to pray, to preach and to forgive her father for the abuse -- but not to report it to the Children's Aid Society or doctors. "I was told if Armageddon came and my father went down for the abuse I would likely go down with him," Ms. Boer told the court. In fact, the entire Jehovah's Witness community where she lived in Shelburne, Ont., could be exposed to God's wrath if she handled the matter by "worldly" means, Ms. Boer said she was told. The defendants -- the Watchtower Society and elders Brian Cairns, Steve Brown and John Didur -- deny preventing Ms. Boer from going to the authorities and argue they owed her no special duty of care as alleged in the suit. They accused Ms. Boer of "asking the church to pay for the sins of the father." Ms. Boer testified that her father, whom she is not suing and who was never criminally charged, touched her sexually on numerous occasions from the time she was 11 until she was 15. The abuse stopped after Ms. Boer told her mother, who criticized her for dressing immodestly but agreed to confront the father, Ms. Boer told the court. She told no one until four years later, she said, when she was plagued by memories of the abuse and suffering symptoms of severe depression and anxiety. "I just kept crying and crying." Then 19, she went to local elders Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown, and they in turn asked for advice from Mr. Didur, an elder with the national Watchtower organization, she said. The men made her repeat her story over and over, she said, then insisted she not go to authorities but instead confront her father in the presence of Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown and give him the chance to repent. "I told them I couldn't do it," she wept yesterday. "They said I had to." In two confrontations at his home, Ms. Boer's father accused her of exaggerating, she said. He did acknowledge some sexual impropriety, apologized to her and agreed to do some extra service for the Watchtower Society, she said. The elders then declared the matter closed. "They said they felt my father had shown signs of repentance, that he was a changed man," she said. They told her if she went to the CAS the family would be investigated, her father would lose his job and her mother would be left destitute, she said.

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Church made her cover up sexual abuse, woman says By JANE GADD COURTS REPORTER Tuesday, September 10, 2002 Page A18 A former Jehovah's Witness who says her church forced her to cover up years of sexual abuse by her father told Ontario Superior Court yesterday that church elders use the fear of Armageddon to silence her and other abuse victims. Victoria Boer, 31, testifying at the trial of her $700,000 lawsuit against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Canada, said she was driven to the brink of suicide when society elders told her to pray, to preach and to forgive her father for the abuse -- but not to report it to the Children's Aid Society or doctors. "I was told if Armageddon came and my father went down for the abuse I would likely go down with him," Ms. Boer told the court. In fact, the entire Jehovah's Witness community where she lived in Shelburne, Ont., could be exposed to God's wrath if she handled the matter by "worldly" means, Ms. Boer said she was told. The defendants -- the Watchtower Society and elders Brian Cairns, Steve Brown and John Didur -- deny preventing Ms. Boer from going to the authorities and argue they owed her no special duty of care as alleged in the suit. They accused Ms. Boer of "asking the church to pay for the sins of the father." Ms. Boer testified that her father, whom she is not suing and who was never criminally charged, touched her sexually on numerous occasions from the time she was 11 until she was 15. The abuse stopped after Ms. Boer told her mother, who criticized her for dressing immodestly but agreed to confront the father, Ms. Boer told the court. She told no one until four years later, she said, when she was plagued by memories of the abuse and suffering symptoms of severe depression and anxiety. "I just kept crying and crying." Then 19, she went to local elders Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown, and they in turn asked for advice from Mr. Didur, an elder with the national Watchtower organization, she said. The men made her repeat her story over and over, she said, then insisted she not go to authorities but instead confront her father in the presence of Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown and give him the chance to repent. "I told them I couldn't do it," she wept yesterday. "They said I had to." In two confrontations at his home, Ms. Boer's father accused her of exaggerating, she said. He did acknowledge some sexual impropriety, apologized to her and agreed to do some extra service for the Watchtower Society, she said. The elders then declared the matter closed. "They said they felt my father had shown signs of repentance, that he was a changed man," she said. They told her if she went to the CAS the family would be investigated, her father would lose his job and her mother would be left destitute, she said.

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I was raised as a JW and after reading all of this, my mouth was left open and my eyes with tears....I left the organization years ago when I was around 18, I was never baptized and neither was my sister and now I realize how LUCKY I was not to experienced any of this abuse! I never knew it was so rampant, yet I'm sure in my area (a large metro area) it happened, I just didn't know about it. Now, I sit here and wonder....who did it happen to in my congregation? I feel very angry that these victims were treated like this, and I believe it all, because the examples provided were exactly the way JW behave. Everything you do is never 'their' fault, it's all 'worldly' influences, and everything in your life is controlled. I remember the 'secrecy' of it all, the mysterious elders and the hierarchical ways that the 'popular' members got 'positions'. It's all a mind trap, and my father and his wife are still in it. I wonder what they will have to say when they see this...because this is not going to go away this time. My heart goes out to all those people that suffered like that...I am so sorry. M. Endsley

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Laura, hang on hon, Seattle contacts are coming your way. :-) Linda

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QUOTE FROM THE CANADAIAN TRIAL:The defendants -- the Watchtower Society and elders Brian Cairns, Steve Brown and John Didur -- deny preventing Ms. Boer from going to the authorities and ARQUE THEY OWED HER NO SPECIAL DUTY OF CARE as alleged in the suit. . . . . . Victims don't exist in the Watchtower, just get them to shut up, forgive and cover up. The elders defense is---WE DO NOT OWE our children care, protection, compassion, justice, kindness, humanity.....you name it and I've experienced it!

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Thank you Linda! You have been a tremendous help to me! Laura

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Sheila, I don't think I said anything at all against people posting various abuse stories they've experienced. As a Silentlamb myself, a child abuse victim myself, and a victim of wife abuse within the Org, I wouldn't dream of telling anyone they shouldn't or can't post those stories here, since I have myself. But all this arguing and name calling back and forth about subjects other than what this site is for I have a problem with. We are supposed to be here not only to speak out about our own stories, but to also be available to help and comfort others who come here. More and more will come here as the media attention grows, and for people to see post after post with people arguing back and forth and calling each other stupid names, is not helpful or beneficial for those who need our help and compassion. We, Jesika and I, are simply asking everyone to stay on topic and not let the rantings of JW's confuse the reason why we're all here. We need to simply ignore the JW's, since they have no clue of what they speak, and are blinded by the mind control tactics of the org. We need to stay on topic. Linda Thoman

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Thank you, Linda and Jesika, you are correct we need to stay focused on the purpose of this site. I realize this objective becomes difficult when Trolls mock the victims and make cruel malicious statements. However, that is the Trolls complete intention to cause controversy and discord on this site. September 27th and additional media coverage of this site is on the way-----let's be ready! Acknowledge the distressed victims, ignore the trolls! Nancy Naranjo

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SHEILA----------------Please don't misunderstand what I meant. When I said this site is for sexual abuse I did also mention physical abuse too. I know their are many types of abuse being I have been through any form you can name. My point of saying what are you doing can be anything. Such as supporting those who come here and staying on topic is doing enough. I am not asking you or anyone to do what I am doing or what Linda is doing. We all heal in a different way. The name calling and arguing is just hurting the site and not helping those who come here for healing was my point. Love, Jesika Thoman---Dallas,TX

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M. Endley....I know all too well the pain and hurt, devastation that you are feeling. I've been through it, and my entire family is still in it too. I have no contact with my family, and here I am planning my wedding but can't share any of my happiness and joy with my mother like most girls/woman would like to. Believe me........I understand. Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com

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(1) I know first hand that this website can help people who have been "spiritually splintered" by bad doctrine and more important that the dogma was implemented most often by people that we trusted and love/loved. For me this site has truly been a God-send. I never denied to my (non-JW) family that I had deep seeded anger towards the people who used me as a door to hurt the Df'ed in my family.(I wanted peace.) They (JW's) have nothing but malice to offer me. I accept that now. I know what to do about it and them..."Nothing." I feel whole again. I don't want to get payback because there is really nothing to return. I loved them and in return they crapped all over me. It is their loss not mine. I have one of two paths to take (1) is "Ahabism" which will lead to my own destruction. Or (2) I can offer an ear to others who have experienced what I have. Silentlambs will have my support for as long as it exists. I have nothing but sincere heartfelt thanks for the gift it has given me. I hope that in return as my cup is more than full, I can have the courage to be a friend to others who need what is in it. (LOVE)-Jayson

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My name is Joe Joe the Dog Face Boy, I was raised a JW, My Elder father gave me my nick name, It helped me to develop into the person I am today, A housebound on disability. Some other Great things my parents used to do for me is, I new I could always count on my mother to do one thing for me when she got home from her pioneering, and that was to give us a good beating because the house was not clean or the table wasn't set for dinner or we had a worldly friend over to play so we wouldn't be so lonely sitting at home waiting for our beating. I do thank my mother however for all those 100's of hours she put in field service, because it taught me to be independent and take care of myself, I was grateful when the Doctor finally gave her her diet pills because it was causing so much stress in our house that she wouldn't be able to get in her 100 hours a month and make my Elder father look bad. I would like to thank my father for always correcting me from the stage when he was giving a talk, I no now it is wrong to move around in your seat in the Kingdom Hall. I Think my brother really found wisdom in his later years from my parents great example ,Because he raises his kids with similar care. The one thing my mother really helped me with,was when she would tell me after leaving my sister and I in the car for up to an hour while she was on a return visit was to be patient, I don't even care if the other sisters at the hall made fun of me for rocking back and forth in the car seat because I knew that I was being patient. I will always be grateful to my father for helping me get my talks together that can be kinda tuff for an 8 year old kid,but those beatings he would give me would sure help me to focus on what I was doing,because I really needed to focus to be able to read some of those long words he gave me from the stage, this is just a few of the things I am so thankful about while I am sitting here waiting for Jehovah to answer me why did my mommy always hurt me that way... NP (JW defenders feel free to comment)

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To NP,Jayson and others, Wow! the last few posts have taken my breath away. I know the pain my husband lives but to know I almost put my children through that. Thank God I chose to get rebuked instead of focusing on the all mighty service time. My husbands father use to beat the all after the meetings it was call the "After the meeting beating" My husbands oldest brother was handicapped so my husband would get the licks for both of them, by then the others were so hysterical they would be sent to their rooms (so guess who was the only one beat). Funny it reminded me to of the sister that was so adamant about "vi-OLENCE" that is to violent...ooh did you see that how VIOLENT" well my husband was working at her home GUESS what the person who never let their kids watch a Disney move cause it was so VIOLENT was doing >>>>Yep BEATING,SCREAMING LIKE A DEMON...at her two little boys. Then we realized why they acted out so much. NP I wish I had words that could make their reasons for what they do make since. I saw the things my in laws did with my own eyes and still have nightmares and I was in my 20's eek gosh. So I just try to look at it as they, somewhere in their actions made a CHOICE to do what they did. They choose and chose the feelings of everyone else but the children in what they did and do. Why is it a witness can leave a child in a car for an hour but in a certain areas of town that is called NEGLECT? All I know is I fight tooth and nail every day against the machinations my husband was raised with. He has NO sense of self and self-esteem is out of his grasp. All because they would rather have "put in service time" than tend to the needs and wants of their babies. NP, Jayson, Jesika, Linda and all I wish the focus of the media was not just the sexual abuse of the young, but also was focusing on the other abuse. I know from the posts it starts with more than just the sexual usually their is more abuse of power in the relationship. They say they believe in counseling but it's evident that is so not true. I hope that at some point they will cease and desist before more are harmed by their so called Truth. Peace Sheila

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wow NP HOW SAD THE LOVE YOU WERE SHOWN BY GOD,S SPRIT DIRECTED TEACHINGS. I KNOW JUST SOME OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ..I WAS BEAT FOR NOT WANTING TO GO TO THE HALL...LUCKILY WHEN MY POP JOINED I WAS A TEEN. SO I GOT OFF THE HOOK... BUT MY 4 YOUNGER SIBLINGS WERE NOT SO LUCKY... POP WOULD KICK THE SHIT OUT OF THEM EVERY WEEK AT THE HALL ... MANY TIMES THEY WOULD COME HOME WITH WELTS ON THEIR FACES!!!!!!!!!!MOM WENT CRAZY SHE WOULD TAKE US OUT FOR THE DAY SO WE DID,NT HAVE TO GO...MOM EVEN WENT TO THE HALL AND BLASTED POP AND ALL THE JW,S ON THE SPARE THE ROD CRAP...AND LET ME TELL YOU IF WE WERE BAD MOM WOULD GIVE IT TO US.. SHE HATED THE JW'S AND THEIR CRAP!!!!MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WOULD CRY AND BEG MOM TO GO TO GRANDMA,S ON SUNDAYS....MY FATHER WOULD NOT GIVE MOM GROCERY MONEY IF THE KIDS DIDN,T GO TO THE HALL ..MANY WEEKS WE ATE RICE OR MACARONI EVERY DAY . AND POP WOULD BRING HOME A STEAK...AND SAY ,IF YOU GO TO THE HALL YOU CAN HAVE STEAK TOO!!!!THAT'S THE KIND OF BLACK MAIL MY FATHER USED!!!FUNNY WHEN WE BRING UP THESE BAD MEMORIES HE JUST LAUGHS.... AND SAYS YOU DON,T LOOK HUNGRY TO ME!!!!!!!!LET ME TELL YOU HOW SICK THE WT HAS MADE MY POP ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO HIS MOM GAVE HIM A CLASS PICTURE FROM WHEN HE WAS IN 8TH. GRADE HE CUT OFF HALF OF THE HEADS OF THE GIRLS IN THE TOP ROW BECAUSE THERE WAS AN AMERICAN FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND.... THEN HE WOULD SHOW THE PICTURE AND TELL STORIES ABOUT THE GIRLS WITH HALF A HEAD.... NOW THAT'S MENTAL...JOHN

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NP, I want to thank you for posting your story. It is heart-breaking but it tells a truth and a reality that must be told. We will no longer hide the Watchtower's secrets. I remember a friend with four children and a job cleaning houses and yet she pioneered. Who took care of the children? She went out in early morning service then worked all day and later went out in evening service. What a shame that this cruel organization taught that honest hearted woman that knocking on doors was more important than raising her family.

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Worth a read: Comments of Child Abuse from 1996(taken from the old H20 board) http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36395&site=3

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John & Sheila: I don't want you to feel overlooked. John, I guess your father demonstrates the Watchtowers belief that everyone will be perfect and will not cause any problems. Beat the children or beat the victims. Sheila hang in there, your husband is lucky to have some one who can understand his past. Nancy

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NP I HAD TO READ YOUR STORY AGAIN... I HAD TO CALL MY BABY BROTHER AND ASK HIM ABOUT IT. HE SAID IT WAS LIKE CLOCK WORK . LIKE ROLL CALL HE KNEW WHEN EACH KID IN THE HALL WOULD GET SMACKED OR TAKEN TO THE BACK FOR A WHIPPING .I FAct the fathers would take off their belts at the beginning of the meeting . and wait for their cue .he told me every time elder jones would whack his kid .he knew he was next. and would try to go the bathroom.. he said when ever he came back from the bathroom his sister just got smacked ,he was to smart for her. he just laughed he said he don,t know how they continued the meeting with all the kids crying.... that post is from my brother mike......john

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bro from lodi again: 'everytime i came back to check in it seems those who raise a voice of their terrible past they are drowned out by people who simply have nothing to do but repeated garbage of junk they spew on this site. take the girl who lived with those molested. only two acknowledged her, then the mom who spoke of why she left, another of his past and now happy he left, then other with inside knowledge and concern now discontent who refuse to return. We lost texas, rjs, placerville, and of coarse the MOLE. why has this site lost itself. is it really jw's on this from the organization who is crushing this place? is it drunkards, apostates or those with their own agenda? mole said it best. i think i too will never come back. i came here because i too suffer in the hall and can see the ignorance the society wants us to except, i see the horror of those neglected and raped. i am here for them to tell my plight and to read and say i too understand. those of you who have nothing to contribute to this site have disgraced it. those of you who repeatedly come to this site to fill it up with nonsense shame on you. i recommend it be shut down to force the haters to another site to do their bashing of one another. you regulars, by acknowledging these fools made it worse. this is not a personal chat line, this is why i enjoyed ray franz thoughts, bill bowen's thoughts and MOLE THOUGHTS, to the rest of you who opened your heart and told the bad that infested your life good luck to you, to the regulars who have skewed the figures for those evil elders at the headquarters you have done more to prove the jw's are right. ))))))))))) bro from lodi, ps i hate those jerks who keep putting their advertisements for papers on here with their bogus links....

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This place is a freaking ZOO. So much bickering and infighting. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that in excess of 30,000 boys are molested EACH YEAR in Los Angeles alone. Obviously, the perpetrators in this case are homosexuals. Aren't JW's opposed to homosexuality in all it's forms ? And aren't they also strictly opposed to extra-marital sex of any kind ? If they kick 15 & 16 year olds out of the organization for sexual escapades, and discourage so much as a grab or a grope in the dark or a drive in a car alone until a couple is "properly married", do you think they suddenly have no standards when it comes to the victimization of children ? How can you say that JW's either "encourage" or "condone" such things ? The only ones turning a blind eye is you. You are so focused on hating JW's that you don't even see the millions of battered, raped, and abused children, and former victims ALL OVER THE WORLD, abused by fathers, uncles, priests, school teachers, etc. What kind of heartless beasts are you - pretending to be speaking out about abuse when your own selfish reason is to bash JW's. Shame on you! /RON

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I am sorry that you have been hurt by what you chose to do but you did the right thing . I am a Survivor and I have had many ppl arrested that has chosen to hurt kids. I applaud you courage to do this for the children. God will reward you for what you have done in your courage to protect the innocent. This is the job of the Adults an the parents but they forget to do so, leaving it to others to do so. I wish that the kids had prosecuted the men who had done this to them. I know they may regret it when they get older. I didn't remember any abuse till i was 35 yrs old but I did disown my parents. God will make them pay on the day of judgment. I am of your religion but I am religious. We will see justice. Zee http://silentkiller.bravepages.com

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i agree with ron and lodi this place sucks now because of some of you. this was a place of refuge and seeking understanding. bill started off to let us know something is wrong, many now share what they see to let the organization know they need to fix the problem. they do read this site and are watching even now. hail to ray franz. julie thomas of dixon california

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News from Canada http://www.therecord.com/news/national/n090999A.html

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thank you NP for reminding me and my siblings why the wt teachings have abused my family.. i just got off the phone with my sisters. they were scared shit of going to the hall or book study. knowing at any second they would get smacked in the face. no wonder none of us became jw's . i also thank my mom for keeping the heat on pop. instead of taking out the kids to the beach or the park.pop was always selling wt's .brother from lodi when was the last time you missed a meeting to take your kids to the beach????? it was my mom who told my sisters to go to college...now one is a teacher other a accountant. me i got screwed pop pushed me out to work at 18 or live in the street. thank god my sister married young, and their husbands had brains to let them go to school. who are the spiritual drunkards here????? it not me!!!!! john

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everyone this site has degraded. people who need to reveal and to get insight what happens in the hall for former witnesses and current witnesses. what is going on? I'm really disappointed. julie from dixon

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To NP....Your post made me cry. It hit too close to home for me, even though I'm now 42. Linda Thoman

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To Sheila....I do too. I wish for attention to the other abuses as well. Been through them all myself. But, first things first hon. We have to help these little children, and the children who've now grown up but are still silent. Then we can talk about the other stuff. Roar! Linda Thoman

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Woman scarred by sex abuse, not life as a Jehovah's Witness, lawyer suggests..... http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Jehovah-Lawsuit.html

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Ron: Actually there hasn't been much bickering in the last few days but about the sex abuse problem within the congregations try this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36147&site=3 . . . After reading it---you might want to ask more informed questions. You can email me if you like:nannaranjo@yahoo.com Nancy Naranjo

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Ron, You are wrong, in the presumption that a pedophile that abuses boys "must be homosexual". Studies have shown pedophilia has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation pedophilia is an act against innocence, it is akin to rape not sexual but about power and control. Not that they don't (excuse me) get sexual gratification out of it, but it is a perversion. The stereotyping of one that is gay as one that would abuse a child is incorrect. In fact most studies have shown that a large number are married supposedly heterosexual. A large majority of pedophiles will perpetrate on children of EITHER sex. To me it is their want to defile something pure and good, to debase it and to be the ONE to do this. I hope you can see how classifying a perversion with someone's sexuality is not going to get anyone anywhere. Also yes there are millions of children abused, we can not help everyone. We are here to speak out on the SILENCING of the victims and their families by a religious organization that holds themselves to be for the good of the family. There are many organizations you can look to to help as I said I have volunteered for CASA that is a Guardian ad liteum for children in abuses cases (an advocate per se in court cases). So Ron that is why we have one focus here and are not talking about the millions else where. To correct a problem that is societal we all must change what is wrong in society. We need more community, a society where a child's life is important and the old days where when a kid was in trouble the whole street yelled at them before they got home "your Mamma is looking for you where have YOU been" that type of society. I digress... As far as Linda I guess your right one tiny baby step at a time right. ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Peace Sheila

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will some one please post here what happened ,in the vicki boar case today . i read it but don,t know to post it here....roar vicki ROAR!!!!!!!!!JOHN

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Well, Sheila, I was not saying that ALL homosexuals abuse boys. I think any sexual act against another male (man or boy, consenting or not) makes the one initiating it a "homosexual" L.A. being a city with many homosexuals is the reason why many young boys are being sodomized there. I have yet to be convinced that pedophilia is anything more than a rare occurrence amongst JW's. I believe their standards are among the highest in the world and their attitudes toward sex can hardly be seen as "encouraging" perversion - a lot of their articles discuss self-control and the benefits of working on personal weaknesses, and even avoiding habits such as self-abuse, or masturbation. This is in line with what the bible has to say on controlling the thoughts and desires. There is absolutely NO basis for the claims made that the JW church "breeds" pedophiles, or that there is any higher proportion of them among JW's, or that this particular church "attracts" pedophiles any more than other churches. I don't believe that their elders have as much access to children as, for example, a catholic priest would. Maybe you think the elders pull them into the bushes when they're out going door to door, or drag them into the back room of the KH to molest them ? Most of the shepherding duties of these elders are carried out as groups of TWO responsible brothers. In an organization of at least 5 or 6 million not counting minor children, sadly there are bound to be some rotten apples. Most of the cases I have heard of involved father/daughter situations, and some may have been elders, but this is hardly the norm. I am not sure if it is a requirement for such elders to step down from their position even if they are claiming innocence, but it seems to me that this would be the most decent and honorable course of action. Why don't you blame the PERVERTS, rather than spending all your time attacking an organization that in principal is against all forms of sexual deviancy (and by deviancy I mean anything outside normal marital relations: including fornication/ adultery/anal/oral/masturbation) And yet those on here continue screaming for blood like the rabid dogs you are. /RON

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Thanks for all your feedback,I don't no what happened I just sat down and it all fell out on the screen, John what you said sounds like a normal day at the KH, I realize that it is nothing like that today I believe everyone that grew up in the 60's & 70's was taking that rod of discipline scripture literally, Today you may get a good bathroom beating at an assembly and that's about it LOL. and thanks Linda, Sheila for your comments Love to all...NP

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I think people jump to quick to the guestbook...Front page....Do Jehovah's Witnesses approve, condone, and encourage accused, confessed, and convicted child molesters to call door to door on unknowing potential victims in the witnessing work? Yes or No?(2)Do Judicial Committees require two witnesses to the event of molestation before taking any disciplinary measures? Yes or No?(3)Do elders allow sex offenders complete anonymity when they are discovered? Yes or No (4)Do they threaten parents of molested children with disfellowshipment if they try to warn other members whose children may be in danger? Yes or NO? (5)Does the Service Department remove elders who warn parents of a pedophile member even though the elder is simply attempting to protect the children of the congregation? Yes or NO? (6)Does your Kingdom Hall provide significant training on how to direct a molested child to get the help they so desperately need? Yes or No? (7) Does the Watchtower Organization advise you that the best way to help a "troubled" person is to instruct them to endure and wait for God's Kingdom to solve their problems? Yes or No? I think they are fair questions. Ron? Your comments? Anyone else? Do I stand alone? Is there anyone else that sees flawed logic in play? This is the heart of the is heart of the issue RIGHT NOW~! Postings should center around these issues and other abuse. Healing, or uplifting, or positive stories would be cool.

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To everyone that has been abused, sexually or physically. I know it takes a long time to get over, but I do know some positive steps you can take to heal. The first step is to talk about it. To leave it inside is self damaging. This site is excellent for this. I speak for most of us survivors, we are here for you. Anytime you want to talk about it feel free to E-mail me at dancingmoonlite@aol.com. I do not open zipped files, so please do not send me those. The next step is to forgive and love yourself. This may be very difficult. But we do this by finding thing we like about ourselves and then everyday, add to the list. These two things will take a while. At least it did for me. And to know that you are not alone. Laura

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I think we should rethink this hole thing, A Big misunderstanding, what we gots here is a few brothers that probably had a little to much to drink, they come home maybe go into the wrong bedroom and before you no it ,oh I'm sorry I thought you were mommy, of coarse some of them got drunk every night so this happened a lot, hey there only imperfect humans, why can't we just brush all of this under the rug and play like this never happened and go back to the way things were. Besides you know this is happening all around, LA, JERSEY, Europe, you name it, I mean were Brothers you N me Don't go telling me you never made a mistake in Judgment, comon we can werk this out here you n me. (this is a copy of a closed door session of the GB)

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Story of Vicki: Church made her cover up sexual abuse, woman says By JANE GADD COURTS REPORTER Tuesday, September 10, 2002 Page A18 A former Jehovah's Witness who says her church forced her to cover up years of sexual abuse by her father told Ontario Superior Court yesterday that church elders use the fear of Armageddon to silence her and other abuse victims. Victoria Boer, 31, testifying at the trial of her $700,000 lawsuit against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Canada, said she was driven to the brink of suicide when society elders told her to pray, to preach and to forgive her father for the abuse -- but not to report it to the Children's Aid Society or doctors. "I was told if Armageddon came and my father went down for the abuse I would likely go down with him," Ms. Boer told the court. In fact, the entire Jehovah's Witness community where she lived in Shelburne, Ont., could be exposed to God's wrath if she handled the matter by "worldly" means, Ms. Boer said she was told. The defendants -- the Watchtower Society and elders Brian Cairns, Steve Brown and John Didur -- deny preventing Ms. Boer from going to the authorities and argue they owed her no special duty of care as alleged in the suit. They accused Ms. Boer of "asking the church to pay for the sins of the father." Ms. Boer testified that her father, whom she is not suing and who was never criminally charged, touched her sexually on numerous occasions from the time she was 11 until she was 15. The abuse stopped after Ms. Boer told her mother, who criticized her for dressing immodestly but agreed to confront the father, Ms. Boer told the court. She told no one until four years later, she said, when she was plagued by memories of the abuse and suffering symptoms of severe depression and anxiety. "I just kept crying and crying." Then 19, she went to local elders Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown, and they in turn asked for advice from Mr. Didur, an elder with the national Watchtower organization, she said. The men made her repeat her story over and over, she said, then insisted she not go to authorities but instead confront her father in the presence of Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown and give him the chance to repent. "I told them I couldn't do it," she wept yesterday. "They said I had to." In two confrontations at his home, Ms. Boer's father accused her of exaggerating, she said. He did acknowledge some sexual impropriety, apologized to her and agreed to do some extra service for the Watchtower Society, she said. The elders then declared the matter closed. "They said they felt my father had shown signs of repentance, that he was a changed man," she said. They told her if she went to the CAS the family would be investigated, her father would lose his job and her mother would be left destitute, she said.

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More on Victoria Boer: Woman scarred by sex abuse, not life as a Jehovah's Witness, lawyer suggests By JAMES MCCARTEN TORONTO (CP) - It was a childhood of sexual abuse at the hands of her father, not the ways of her church, that sent a former Jehovah's Witness down a rocky path of job insecurity, sexual dalliances and emotional turmoil, a lawyer suggested Tuesday. Colin Stevenson, who represents the defendants in a $700,000 lawsuit against the church and three of its elders, confronted 31-year-old Vicky Boer with a list of problems that have plagued her in the years since leaving the family she says abandoned her. None of them - sexual harassment on the job, being ostracized by friends and her mother, a nervous breakdown and marital troubles, including a variety of extra-marital affairs - are the fault of the church elders whom she alleges failed to deal properly with the abuse, Stevenson argued. But Boer stood her ground, wiping away tears as she insisted none of it would have happened had she been allowed at 18 by the church to get psychiatric and medical help. With her military husband overseas, she had a nervous breakdown "because my husband was gone and because my family had disowned me; I was being blamed, and everything I knew in my life was gone," Boer sobbed. The alleged efforts of the three elders to cover up the abuse, led to her being shunned by other Witnesses who believed she had lied. "If I had had the support of people I had known my entire life ...I wouldn't have suffered the things I did," she said. "If things were done properly, none of this would have happened. My mother wouldn't have hated me and I wouldn't have been left alone." Boer is suing the three elders along with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Canada, the religion's governing body, for failing to allow her adequate treatment for the abuse she says she suffered between the ages of 11 and 14 in the family home in Shelburne, Ont., about 100 kilometres northwest of Toronto. Rather than inform the Children's Aid Society and permit Boer to seek counselling outside the church, she was forced to confront her father and give him a chance to repent his alleged "sins," court has been told. Church elders also allegedly refused to allow her to see a psychologist, warning her that it would lead to an investigation and might cost her father his job and her mother her only source of financial support. While victims of sexual abuse normally aren't identified in public, Boer has agreed to allow her name to be publicized as part of her effort to promote what she alleges is abuse within the confines of the church's congregations. As part of their beliefs in a strict interpretation of Bible teachings, Jehovah's Witnesses reject anything political or "worldly" that distracts from their focus on Christ and the second coming, which they consider imminent. Birthdays, secular holidays and Christmas are not celebrated; children are often required to leave class during the Lord's Prayer and the national anthem, Boer said. And anyone who runs afoul of the religion's strictest tenets will find themselves ex-communicated, often to such an extent that they're shunned by their own family, she said. Boer testified Tuesday that when she was finally allowed to see her doctor, she chose not to tell him about the abuse for fear the elders would find out. The Watchtower has not yet had the chance to defend itself in court, although in a statement of defence it says it has "no knowledge of the allegations" that Boer was abused and that the abuse was never reported to church elders in Shelburne or to the Children's Aid Society. The defendants also deny that two of the elders named in the suit prevented Boer from reporting her allegations or from seeking psychological help. "If the plaintiff chose not to seek advice from a psychiatrist or psychologist, it was solely of her own volition and because she believed such advice was unnecessary," says the statement of defence. Boer's 58-year-old father, Gower Palmer, continues to live in Shelburne and has never been criminally charged. It's not the first time that the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses have made headlines. The most recent example is the case of a 17-year-old girl in Alberta who died last week after a lengthy and unsuccessful court battle to avoid blood transfusions to treat her leukemia.>>>>Happy to help provide this post. Linda Thoman

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Ron and others who feel threatened by this site, we realize that it seems strange to enter a place were everyone is speaking freely about serious issues, But I must tell you that if these things were happening to you, maybe they are , or maybe you are, I am not the one to say, The point is when a person is so full of rage for the way they have been mistreated, any therapist will tell you to talk about it is essential,to write it down is better, to write it down and no someone who cares reads it, and offers loving support, well that what is called healing, if we don't do this for ourselves and keep it all inside well, we simply self destruct, maybe commit suicide and take our hell with us. I think this site is the cheapest therapy your gonna find so why not take advantage of it and quit ditsing those that do, After a while you may find this site to be a God send rather than take offense at your bruised perfectionistic egos, it not about you, its about me, you get it ! Good Love to all...NP

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Tennessee: The Tullahoma News and Guardian, Wednesday, September 11, 2002 Top Stories www.tullahomanews.com Couple plans to march against church denomination's policy By:BRIAN JUSTICE, Staff Writer September 11, 2002 Barbara and Joe Anderson of Tullahoma claim sexual child abuse has been widespread among the Jehovah Witnesses denomination, and say they plan to do something about it. The Andersons plan to participate in a nationwide march at the organization's headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., on Sept. 27. The Andersons are members of the Silentlambs which was organized to stop what they say has been repeated sexual abuse permitted because of Jehovah Witness bylaws. Mrs. Anderson said the denomination has a policy that does not require pedophile incidences to be reported to law enforcement authorities. She added that Jehovah Witnesses say they handle such matters in house. However, Mrs. Anderson said what in effect happens is pedophiles end up being protected by a cover-up which allows them to continue their illegal actions. She added they are often moved about through the denomination's many locations, which allows them to continue their actions. She said child sexual abuse cases have occurred in Coffee County. Mrs. Anderson summed up the reason why she and her husband plan to march in Brooklyn. "We want them to change the policy that protects pedophiles," she said. Mrs. Anderson said her and her husband's efforts to help change the system have resulted in retaliation from the denomination. The Andersons have been disfellowshipped by the Kingdom Hall in Tullahoma where they attended. Disfellowshipping, the equivalent of excommunication, is the harshest punishment handed down by the organization against members. Shunning is included as part of the punishment, which separates families. Mrs. Anderson said she is no longer able to see or communicate with her son or his family who live in Mishawaka, Ind. She added that he is a practicing Jehovah Witness and is bound by the denomination's rules. "They have shunned us," she said, referring to the church, then her son's family. "We'll never see them again." Her husband agreed. "You just can't imagine what this has been like for us. We can't see our grandchild any more. Our son and daughter-in-law won't allow it," he said. Mr. and Mrs. Anderson attended a Nashville news conference last week to explain their situation along with other Jehovah Witnesses who have spoken out against the alleged sexual child abuse. Two Nashville women were quoted in the media about their specific circumstances. They said they were abused as girls by members of their respective Kingdom Halls. "We're speaking out now, as young women in our 20s, because we realize that what happened to us was wrong and that we are not alone. There are many of us who are suffering," one woman said. A spokesman for the New York-based Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the umbrella organization that is headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, said they were aware of the planned march later this month. A man who answered the phone in the press office at Watchtower headquarters was quoted in the media as saying that press statements would not be issued until the day of the march. He had asked that any statements be attributed to the organization's spokesman, J.R. Brown. The Tullahoma News 2002

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The bible said that there would be unbelievers in the last days and people who would turn from Jehovah and speak ill of him and his work. I guess that would be you.

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This speech was given at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania on November 19, 1863. The Gettysburg Address Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We are met to dedicate a portion of it as the final resting place of those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense we cannot dedicate-we cannot consecrate-we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work that they have thus far so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us-that from these honored dead we take Increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion-that we here highly resolve that the dead shall not have died in vain-that the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom-and that governments of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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TO NP--Jayson--John--Laura--Sheila--and all of you who have shared your stories---thank you. Every time I hear someone's story it just reminds me I am not alone and these things happened all over the world. I find healing in listening to others and to know the fear I had as a child was a normal reaction to the abuse that was a daily--"normal" part of life. It is sometimes hard to remember because the feelings come racing back but these are things I need to deal with. Thank you all for helping me heal and hope I can do the same for all of you. Love,Jesika Thoman---Dallas,Tx

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Another JW in the news story . . http://www.watchtowernews.org/haszard.htm . . .Maine Times May 24 - May 30, 2001 Nobody likes Jehovah's Witnesses except other Jehovah's Witnesses'

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They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. " . . . . Carl Sagan http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/6040/sagan.htm

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They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. " . . . . Carl Sagan http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/6040/sagan.htm

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Ron, you say that sexual abuse of children is rare among JW's. On what do you base your beliefs? Have you tried asking your follow brothers and sisters what they know? Around the Dateline time I asked five other witnesses I was having coffee with if they knew of any occurrences. All five did, one brother was a former PO of two different congregations and he had two stories he revealed. One Ministerial Servant pioneered with a sister who's daughter was molested, one sister's roommate had been abused, one knew of a story involving a baptized father and four of his daughters and the last sister's own daughter was raped. So have you asked around? And if you do ask ---are you the kind of person that others will feel free to tell the true to? Have you examined the questions on the front page as someone else suggested? Have you read the stories from the victims? My story is one of them. Do you understand that a POLICY that HAD for many years required TWO WITNESSES for EACH OCCURANCE was impossible to enforce and ONLY PROTECTED PEDOPHILES. Do you understand that an organization that refuses to believe a court of law's decision and still views a PEDOPHILE as innocent is dangerous to children? Can you understand that if a sibling asks why her sister moved out and her father was reproved but IS NOT TOLD the truth this is a crime? Please try to understand the PROBLEM is more than just the PEDOPHILES it is the POLICY of secrecy. Oh, and I am not a rabid dog actually I am witness in good standing. Nancy Naranjo.

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11 Sep 2002
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Ron, I really feel your not well informed, LA has more homosexuals...hmm is there a published report on that? Statistical analysis??? I'm glad you feel classifying people as homosexual in your book is OK when the true classification is PEDOPHILE. As far as what you determine as normal sexual development, the GB says masturbation is wrong, that is NOT a scriptural principle that is someone reading into defilements of the flesh what they will. I would love to do a study on Elders that "practice what they preach" as far as oral situations with their spouse. As far as what I do in the bedroom with my husband, that is between me and God. Not a GB or man. As far as what you feel about a few, before you post again why not do some research. Your assumption have the same result as most people that ASS U ME. And yes it is their policy that causes that silence that allows pedophiles to stalk their victims. So in essence Ron get an education about a subject before you decide to take a stance on it, it makes it better for all concerned Peace Sheila

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nancy and sheila; thanx for answering . ron or is it no name,rj of jfk . bro from lodi . this guY is JIVING ALL HEAR IT 'S ONE OR TWO JWD,S AT MOST. OR IT,S 20 WT CLONES. NO NAME JUST CHANGES HIS NAME WHEN EVER HE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS . THE BIBLE CALLS IT DECEPTION!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP LAMBS SORRY I HAD TO BE SO BLUNT..JOHN

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As I said, LA has many homosexuals, probably even more than some other cities. And obviously some of you approve of such things as you openly admit that you engage in practices learned from homosexuals with your husband. Maybe the JW standards are too strict for you. And Elder so-and-so does it too... which makes it OK. JW's are far more opposed to sexual deviancy than any of the perverts posting here. And that is exactly my problem. You see what is MOSTLY a clean organization of decent, upright people with high moral standards and all you want to do is bring them down to their level, prove that they are as "dirty" as you are. Yes, there are some thoroughly rotten human beings among JW's as anywhere in the world. But JW's are one of the very few organizations who try their best to purge such ones from their membership. Speak to any JW out there and I bet they'll say that you have sided with the "world" out there - a world which includes pedophiles, homosexuals, fornicators, liars, thieves, drunkards, etc. etc. Maybe its time to re-evaluate things and consider which side you're really on ? /RON

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Actually, what I read on the front page was: 23,720 Someone once said there are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics. I know enough about JW's to know that this figure is quite fictional. Sling enough mud and maybe some of it will stick? What the people on this site are doing is what a JW might call "doing the devils work" The whole object of this site is to turn people against JW's. Sure, have this discussion all you want (2 witnesses biblical??? JW a breading ground for pedo's???) but at least fight with the truth and not these damned lies or grossly exaggerated numbers gained from unreliable sources. /RON

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Ron, I must say you have really helped open our eyes here, your comment that our purpose for this site is to turn people against the organization,as a sexual abuse survivor, and you obviously speaking from the heart of an active Jehovah's Witness help us to know just how callus, hard hearted, stubborn, egotistical, self seeking, self gratifying, narrow minded, and yes abusive the organization really is, I was beginning to come to terms with my issues and have a warming heart towards the organization because of some of the healing I was able to do hear, thanks to Bill Bowen and this site, I even went as far as to stick my nose inside of a Kingdom Hall last week and was warmly greeted thinking maybe things have changed, maybe it will be alright now, but thanks to your abuse of the Lambs here, Who are only here to heal themselves so they can move on with there lives, I cannot, I see you will not even give an ounce of compassion when it is needed, gooday Ron...NP

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Dear Ron, Your closed minded, ignorant remarks about child abuse show that you have not researched your subject. By the way, are you one of those people who don't believe the Holocaust occurred because you didn't witness it? Or the moon landings were a fraud because you were not there to see it? Your remarks are hurtful and serve no useful purpose in this forum except to cause pain to people who are trying to deal with some serious issues in their lives. Also, if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses "in good standing" in the congregation, haven't you considered that you are sinning by merely entering this site? You should turn yourself into the elders immediately so that they can "readjust your thinking." If we never hear from you again we will assume the readjustment was successful. Sincerely, Nina Scott

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Well, looks like America and the world actually cares more about the possibility of war and remembering the events of 9/11 than silentlambs. Silent who? Most people, in fact 99.5% of america and the rest of the world are saying that they care more about their future than the evil threat of JW's. As the next few months pass and all media attention is focused on more significant world events, think about your cause. Think about the more important things in life. Think about how Bible prophesy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. If you have the sense enough to open your eyes as you say JW's should, then maybe the frustration of seeing your movement grind to a halt in the light of other worthy media attention will not be as painful. Keep posting the little short stories in those pulitzer prize winning papers because in the next few weeks and months they are going to lessen in frequency and mean nothing to the real world. It has already been determined that there are flaws in human nature that make even JW's do less than prudent things from time to time. I think the world in general realizes this and could care less. Your cause will continue to only attract a certain type of complainer and harborer of resentment that represent the minority. Enjoy your Dateline, Paranoia, (or was that Panorama?)and Connie Chang, because my friends it will be the last! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ

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Thank you for posting, RJ, because it really shows to the world the attitude of Jehovah's Witnesses,i.e.; we couldn't care less about the children or about the victims and we don't even care to solve problems that are in our grasp. (Yet we will continue to advise "worldly people" to leave their former religions for the same reason.) We are content to make fun of suffering rather than help, mock the New's shows that broadcast the truth and even deride Asian surnames if it serves our purpose. JW's motto is: We ridicule the victims. GO WITNESSES!!!!!

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NP~ is there anything any of us can do to help you beside letting you know that we are hear to listen? I'm sorry for what has happened to you. I want you to know that I care about you and, I do believe you.-Jayson

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Remember a TROLL is a type of bully. He writes brutal vile remarks with the sole intention of getting a response from us. As a bully he is just looking for attention. He is trying to make himself feel more important and when he makes fun of someone else, it makes him feel big and powerful. Bullies come from families who have problems at home. TROLLS HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS and responding to them in a kind matter or any matter does not work. THEY DO NOT VIEW THE PEOPLE THAT READ THEIR COMMENTS AS HUMAN BEINGS. It is just a computer game to them. Remember our motto: Ignore the troll and support the victims.

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12 Sep 2002
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RJ, TROLLMAN, RON, Whatever the name is your trying to hide behind to give yourself a larger voice than what you have, is this another 1975 prediction, I remember feeling that way, that the world was going to end every time there was a situation were American Troops were involved, is this the way your feeling, were did you get these feelings from, think about it, if this turns out to be just another day in politics don't blame me for your feelings of fear,remember that your just another subject of mind control, free yourself from this abuse Ron, come heal with us, we will hold your hand and show you true love, thanks for posting here and feel free to come back, we will never turn our backs on you here, Love to all...NP

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12 Sep 2002
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To the above nameless poster. Thanks for also showing the world that you can interpret anything the way you want to interpret it. Nowhere in my post did I say that I, JW's or the world in general cares less about abuse issues. I said the world cares less about you guys trying to pin abuse and abuse issues solely on JW's. They recognize that JW's are imperfect people and could care less about your trying to demonize them. Frankly most people are smart enough to recognize the inherent imperfection within any organization and care more about the quality of their neighbors and the people as a whole. Whether or not you want to recognize it MOST people know JW's and attribute them as good people. That is why your movement has no impact on the majority of Americans and the world. As I stated, there are other important issues not limited to abuse such as the state of world affairs that people are concerned about. People are concerned about any child molester in any religion but people aren't concerned that Silentlambs says JW's are child molesters because they are smarter than that. They live next to us and know better. Give them a little credit. Now no-name interpret that through your rose colored glasses and continue to show the world (or at least the 20 or so regular posters in here) that the Silentlambs have another agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with protecting innocent children but rather the demonization of JW's. RJ (I will no longer be referring to myself as TROLLMAN because you are the trolls!) RJ

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12 Sep 2002
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Mr or MRS NP. I say to you the same as I said to the nameless poster who interpreted what he wanted to in my post: "quit looking at my posts through the same rose colored glasses." Nowhere did I say anything about the end of the world. Nowhere did I mention a date. I simply said the world is looking on since 9/11 with a different perspective. People are concerned about their futures. Bible prophecy concerning the last days IS being fulfilled! To say anything less would be foolish. Jesus said "to keep on the watch" That is what I am doing. I do not know when it is coming but I am not going to sit around and latch on to the Silentlambs cause of making JW's look bad just to pass the time and settle old scores upon my bruised ego! Some however are content with pushing things off into the distant future. This is the only thing that gives them a little peace of mind, and free reign to do and practice what they want. This is best done by ignoring the facts. We have been accused of ignoring abuse and turning a blind eyes to the problems. Well, you NP and others choose to "ignore" what you want and focus on what you wish as well. That is obvious by your selective interpretation of posts that are contrary to your views. Its easier when I make legitimate points to be branded a "troll" than respond. That's because no one chooses to respond to the facts. To keep from responding others say "lets ignore the troll". EASY WAY OUT! We are blasphemed because of shunning but it's OK for you. We are scorned for sincerely believing in something, but you can promote your movement and its OK. You say our interpretation of the scriptures are wrong, but you can interpret a persons posts and its right. What makes us any different then? If I am a hypocrite SO ARE YOU!!! Interpret that any way you would like! P.S. By the way I am still waiting for someone to deny that the world in general respects JW's and know better than to believe that we are evil because of some child molesters. Keep grasping for straws and I'll be here to respond! <RJ>

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12 Sep 2002
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I'd like to know if Mr. Bowen has been Disfellowshipped or Disassociated for his efforts.

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12 Sep 2002
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Dude, where have you been? Bill got the ax about a month or so ago. Did you expect anything different?

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12 Sep 2002
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Ron, Again, I said it's between God and myself what I choose to do in the confines of my marriage. You oh so ignorant, self-absorbed idiot can't even follow normal logic. Oh supreme one the number are from files the GB kept so the number is accurate, again before you get foot in mouth disease again. READ the information SLM

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12 Sep 2002
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Ron, In response to you ignorance..................... There... Peace Sheila

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12 Sep 2002
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Ron I believe facts speak louder than words, I myself can only speak for myself 1) I believe the GB is involved in a cover up that has brought great harm to children and adult children with there lame in house procedures. This I have witnessed with my own eyes, I did not read it somewhere. 2) This does not mean that everything they do is wrong but when an organization that claims to help people has a policy (an easy thing to change) that is hurting people, Why not turn it over to the proper authorities. It's like Barbara Anderson said, If your house is on fire do you call the Elders or the Fire Dept. If your House is robbed you call the police. And if your child is molested you call the____________ you fill in the blank. It's that simple. However other issues occasionally pop up here so bring it on...NP

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Newsday.com Sept 12, 2002 ........... Group alleging Jehovah's Witnesses abuse plans protest .......... LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A group that claims child molestation is widespread among Jehovah's Witnesses is planning protests Sept. 27 at the denomination's world headquarters in New York City and elsewhere. Silentlambs, a victim support group based in Benton, Ky., is organizing the rallies, including one in New York's Brooklyn borough. The Witnesses recently "disfellowshipped," or excommunicated, Silentlambs co-founder William H. Bowen, who is a former elder. Bowen alleges that the Witnesses keep child molesting incidents secret, won't let victims warn other members about abusers in their congregations, and cut off and shun those who speak out about the problem. J.R. Brown, spokesman at Witnesses headquarters, declined comment. Denominational leaders insist they comply with state laws requiring them to report abuse claims and allow members to report fellow members to police. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-religion-briefs0912sep12.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnationworld%2Dheadlines .....Ron??? Is the press coverage really over????

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This story goes COAST TO COAST IN ALL MAJOR NEWSPAPERS Thursday September 12 5:32 PM EST . . . Colleagues concealed sex abuse to protect 'clean image' of Witnesses, elder says . . . . By JAMES MCCARTEN .. . . TORONTO (CP) - Two church elders from an Ontario group of Jehovah's Witnesses were more worried about the "clean image" of their faith than they were the well-being of a young sexual abuse victim, one of their former colleagues said Thursday. Harald Momm was one of eight elders in the Shelburne, Ont., congregation in 1990 when he learned one of their young disciples had accused her father of sexually abusing her several years earlier. But fellow elders Steve Brown and Brian Cairns were more interested in protecting the accused, Gower Palmer, than they were the welfare of his young daughter, Momm testified. "They didn't want to have anything to do with the law of the land ...they wanted it kept quiet, and we didn't agree with that," he told lawyer Charles Mark. "This has been going on for 13 years and all I ever got out of it is: 'It is important to keep a clean image. Never mind about the victims.'" Brown, Cairns and the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society of Canada are among the defendants in a civil suit launched in 1998 by Vicki Boer, Palmer's daughter and herself a former Witness. Boer, now 31, alleges the defendants failed to allow her adequate treatment for the abuse she suffered between the ages of 11 and 14 in the family home in Shelburne, about 100 kilometres northwest of Toronto. Rather than immediately inform the Children's Aid Society and permit Boer to seek counselling outside the church, she was required, according to Biblical principles, to confront her father and allow him to repent his alleged sins, the suit alleges. During the final weeks of 1989 and early months of 1990, controversy raged within the Witness community over Boer's complaints, particularly amongst the eight elders charged with overseeing the congregation. Momm was one of a group of five who argued that Ontario law required them to immediately report a case of sexual abuse and allow the alleged victim to seek medical help and psychiatric counselling. "(Brown's) reply to me was that he didn't see it that way," Momm said. "I emphasized to him that we would have to do this reporting or I would do it myself. He made no comment." Eventually, the case was reported to Children's Aid and the police, although no charges ever ensued. Five elders, Momm among them, resigned. Meanwhile, Palmer - the remaining elders convinced of his spiritual repentance - rose through the ranks and enjoyed a level of privilege within the congregation normally reserved for the most respected members, said Momm. Boer's 58-year-old father continues to live in Shelburne and has never been criminally charged. During cross-examination Thursday, lawyer Colin Stevenson attacked Momm's motives for disagreeing with Cairns and Brown, suggesting the rift in the elders had been present long before the allegations surfaced. He also argued that Momm and his allies were confusing the spiritual law of the Witnesses, which imposes a three-year statute of limitations on such things as abuse, with the law of the land, which requires immediate reporting. At no time did Cairns or Brown ever directly tell Momm that they were trying to protect Palmer or that they were more concerned about the image of the church, Stevenson said. And he made note of the fact that Momm himself, fearful that Cairns and Brown had no plans to report the abuse, did not go to the authorities. "You yourself were concerned about the risks of potential prosecution for not reporting, were you not?" Stevenson asked. "Yes," Momm said. "And you yourself did not report it to the Children's Aid Society?" Stevenson continued. "No, and I regret it to this day," came the reply. John Saunders, at the time a researcher at the Watchtower's Canadian headquarters in Georgetown, Ont., told court he recommended in a memo that in cases of sexual abuse, the victim and abuser should not be made to confront each other. "I included a note suggesting elders not force victims of abuse to face their abusers, since these kinds of confrontations are potentially psychologically dangerous," Saunders testified. The recommendation was not included in a July 1988 directive from the Georgetown office advising elders to follow provincial law and notify authorities immediately in cases of sexual abuse. While victims of sexual abuse normally aren't identified in public, Boer has agreed to allow her name to be publicized as part of her effort to promote what she alleges is widespread abuse within the confines of the church's congregations. As part of their beliefs in a strict interpretation of Bible teachings, Jehovah's Witnesses reject anything political or "worldly" that distracts from their focus on Christ and the second coming, which they consider imminent. Birthdays, secular holidays and Christmas are not celebrated; children are often required to leave class during the Lord's Prayer and the national anthem. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020912/6/owki.html http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Jehovah-Lawsuit.html

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Ghost: So an elder's son abused you, and you have no beef with the Society over the whole deal? I swear I mean this sincerely: I am deeply sorry for you. The elders cannot be held responsible? People are imperfect? That is a horrible load of over-indoctrination you got there. I am willing to accept that you want to carry a scar for the sake of the society and congregational accord. But how do you feel when you think of the other children that this elder's son got a hold of? How many of them could produce another witness? Did he get off scott free by denying it? Lets put he pervert's guilt aside for a moment and think about the opportunity You, Your Family, the Elder - ALL - had to protect the next child in line for the special elder's son's treatment - the opportunity you each had to stop it. You didn't. You wouldn't. You would dare quote some societal stricture as to how you need to go 'Stick to your guns.' YOU state the there is "No Leeway" for loose conduct, etc. Yet, you get molested, and you and your whole family decide that you shouldn't do anything - even to protect other vulnerable children. Sounds to me like simply 'denying' is a pretty good door to a boat load of leeway. YOU stated that a JW that commits a sin and doesn't repent gets what's coming. What does he get, another 10-year-old? You belong to a religion that has taught such beliefs! These are mostly your words. It's nicer here on the outside. - Buster

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Buster, I don't know what happened in Ghost's case, but I can tell you what happened in our Plano TX congregation. Brother raped little girl, her family was pressured not to press charges as they wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name. I never understood how a victim could bring reproach but on with the story. So the Pedophile moved to Greenville TX, don't know how many other little JW's he raped. He's now in prison for raping the little girl next door. Guess the witnesses did the right thing,huh?

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If what you mean is that the Guy moved to Texas and that poor little girl just happened to be the next in line, yes that is exactly what I am talking about. The witnesses with their approach to investigating and reporting child abuse propagate the crime. One facet of the argument that I am more and more stunned by is the JW's complete lack of concern for the perpetrator's effect on the population at large (outside of the 100-person world of a congregation). Even if they could handle the issue inside the congregation and protect their own children, that still doesn't excuse them from the harm caused to the worldly children. Odd as this may sound to some, guilt also falls on victims and families of victims that accept the indoctrination that they need to get along to go along and not report the crime. 'Ghost' claims to be a victim. Ok, if he/she wants to carry a cross (wait, ... torture stake) to protect the good name of the society, fine with me. But the negligence in letting the crime slide because the perpetrator denied it simply ensured that the next children in line got theirs too. Don't we all agree with the absurdity of this stance? - c'mon, even you Witnesses out there. - Buster

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Hey, anonymous poster on 12 Sep 2002 22:18:57 who wrote “I don't know what happened in Ghost's case, but I can tell you what happened in our Plano TX congregation. Brother raped little girl, her family was pressured not to press charges as they wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name. I never understood how a victim could bring reproach but on with the story. So the Pedophile moved to Greenville TX, don't know how many other little JW's he raped. He's now in prison for raping the little girl next door”. We need some facts. Who is the brother, and what prison is he in? You must know his name since he was in your congregation. And he must either be in prison serving his time, or if he was released you must know how much time he did. Remember not to slander anyone. You guys need to start corroborating your stories. Who is the family that was pressured into not pressing charges. What is their name. And what is your name if these allegations are true, so we can start believing you.

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13 Sep 2002
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Many thanks, TROLLMAN (RJ), you made a lot of sense in your last 2 comments. I was bothered by this site because I know JW's and I don't like the way the truth is being twisted here. I guess this is only a small drop in the ocean in the greater scale of things, the public in general do not give a damn. And neither should I. Let these deluded people have their little party. Nobody's going to listen to them anyhow. /RON (OUT)

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13 Sep 2002
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When the GB changes their policy to the liking of the equally almighty Silentlambs then you can tell the world how JW's change their policy all the time. You guys are pushing for a change, a change that you say will be better. Guess what my friends? The changes the society has made over the years have also been for the better. At least we have the sense enough to recognize that certain things are unscriptural and then make a separation from it instead of assimilating it as so many others do. What's so wrong with learning the pagan origins of certain holidays and ceasing to celebrate them? What's wrong with learning the ignorance of a certain way such as thinking that ones race is inferior to another and growing out of it? Race issues divide the world today but JW's are made up of all races. What's wrong with learning that a certain practice such as smoking and doing drugs can be harmful to our health but quitting? What's wrong with learning that a doctrine such as hellfire is unscriptural and leaving off such teachings? Early on as all you JW history buffs know, these things were practiced but when we learned better of something we changed. How does religion change today? By ordaining homosexuals, by accepting or looking over premarital sex, by blessing the wars the world is involved in. Wow those are sure changes for the good! JW's are ridiculed for change, yet you guys are pushing for a change in our policy. Is change for the good OK now simply because it suits your taste? Answer that please or go ahead and prove to all the onlookers my point. It is evident that when you don't want an argument brought to the fore you choose to "selectively ignore" it. When something suits your taste then you attack what you want. <TO ALL VISITNG THIS SITE GO BACK THROUGH MY PREVIOUS POSTS, SPECIFICALLY THE LAST 2 DAYS AND SEE HOW NO ONE ON THIS SITE HAS HAD A LEGITIMATE COME BACK TO ANY OF MY ARGUMENTS. THIS IS EVIDENT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NO RESPONSES. THEY TRY TO GET AROUND SOMETHING THEY CAN'T DEFEND BY SAYING "LETS SHUN HIM" OR BY CALLING YOU A "TROLL" AND OFFERING PULITZER PRIZE WINNING DEFINITIONS OF A "TROLL" BUT THIS PROVES MY POINT! WE ARE CALLED UNREASONABLE BUT THEY TOO WILL NOT LISTEN TO REASON AND AT LEAST ADMIT THE VALIDITY OF ANY ONE POINT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE FILLED WITH HATRED AND BENT ON BRINGING DOWN ALL JW'S. <RJ>

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Oh when the saints, oh when the saints, oh when the the come marching in, then is when you, will feel Gods Power, Oh when the saints come marching in...Just a little tune that has been going thru my head this morning, Seems a certain agitator is still hanging around for no apparent reason, please try to ignore his Abuse, sometimes they find it fun to venture outside of there realm and inflict pain on the survivors in there home...Love to all NP

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Keep proving my point NP to all the visitors who pop in, see your arrogance and never come back again....RJ

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Were you aware that the Watchtower has a statute of limitations on SIN/CRIME? . . . We now have another secret rule revealed: Get away with sin/crime for three years and you're free and clear. While the congregation was sitting there studying the 1997 Watchtower on "Known Molesters" we did not know that the 1972 Kingdom Ministry superceded the information. There is a big gap between what we are taught and what the organization does. And this relates to WTS feeling of superiority . .. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36532&site=3

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RJ: No news agency, etc, no one reveals the victim's name. But yes, I do know it. The abusers name is public record and he is still in prison. If you were in the area check the Tx Public Safety website. I don't believe the link should be posted here. Oh, and don't worry I do reveal this info to the right people.

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Hi, there was an article reprinted from Canadian Press of Toronto in yesterday's Chronicle Herald in Halifax Nova Scotia on my initiation about Vicki Boer. Nice wouldn't you say?RMK

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NP, What a great song and attitude. hang in there!!! Love your posts Sheila M

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Ron/RJ, Hint if you want to pretend to be more than one person posting. At least change the context or content of what you say, you use the same verbiage and it's so apparent they are all you. Just a hint if you want to be a good troll come on...learn the right way to do it. Just some friendly advice Sheila

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He is still around?(RJ) Are all JW's so resilient in stupidity? Most for sure.RJ is more. He is a professional demagoque.Good to ignore him.RMK

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TORONTO SUN Friday, September 13, 2002 Jehovah's Witnesses in coverup: Ex-elder . . . By IAN MCDOUGALL, . . . . A former elder of a Jehovah's Witness congregation told court yesterday the church and defendants in a $700,000 lawsuit were trying to protect a sex abuser and keep the case hushed up. (Full story) http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-09-13-0027.html

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To the Plano Texas poster...I would love to hear from you personally. I am in the Dallas area, have been for many years. I would like to hear more about this case, if you would email me directly at Linthoman@hotmail.com I attended the Dallas "White Rock and Central and Garland" halls, until '95. My name is Linda Thoman, in case you may know my family in the Dallas area.

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RJ: You're wrong. The GB changes the rules when it suits them, and won't when it doesn't. It has very little to do with 'new light' or some other pseudo-inspired method of deciding what today's rules ought to be. No, there is nothing wrong with not celebrating holidays. The problem is with a man-made organization ordering people that God told them to instruct everyone to not celebrate holidays - and that celebrating those holidays is rejecting God's will. There is nothing wrong with avoiding tobacco and drugs. The problem arises when a group of old, unemployed, undereducated, never-raised-a-family, self-taught laymen in New York decide that somehow God told them that they need to kick out everyone that they hear has a cigar during a round of golf. The problem is the control the Society exerts on people, even to the extent of getting them to tolerate child abuse in their ranks. The problem is when a group of men somehow convince those around them that they speak for God and that all who hear must believe and obey all they are taught - without question, and without dissent. Finally, once that same group of self-righteous false prophets comes across a reasonable and effective dissent, they could admit a mistake or falsehood. But instead they attack the messenger and avoid the topic. I cite the 1914 prophecies before 1914, the interpretations of 1914 after 1914, the purge of 1980, the deleting and disfellowshipping of those that pursue child abuse charges against the admonishment of the Society. This is your organization, and the defense is untenable. - Buster

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rj ron was right your posts make so much sense?????HA HA ha . i was going to answer you. but then i remembered you never answered one of my direct questions... so i'll just let you and all your alias's make you look like a fool on the world wide web...why does the wt always need revolving, back and forth, and new light that is really old light. ?????when you answer some of the direct questions i asked you. we can converse..till then you are just a babbling...doy .....why don't you talk about the vicki boer case. and how current elders are testifying in court for her. how long till the wt shows them the door. i say one month after the case is finished???? time will tell if these jw's have freedom of speach....john

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INTERVIEWS with JR BROWN & THE PANDELLOS NOW ONLINE! You're going to love these interviews in mp3 format that are now up at: http://www.randytv.com --- "Carl and Barbara Pandello: A Conspiracy of Silence" 90 minute interview with this amazing couple who survived the sexual abuse in the Watchtower. --- and A phone interview with J. R. Brown (44 minutes) where he answers questions by Mike Pence regarding the child abuse policies of the Watchtower. Unbelievable. ----- And here's what another person wrote after listening to these interviews: "Interesting interview by Mike Pence with JR Brown. Mike makes an excellent reporter with clear and well informed questions and reacts well to JR Brown's evasiveness to keep pressing him in a respectful way to cut to the chase. Brown goes on and on and round and round with tedious amounts of meaningless bullshit. But he reveals significant details and ultimately confirms the details Barb Anderson had provided Mike. I think this interview combined with Mike Pence's articles really expose the true sickness of the WT with regard to this policy (child molestation) and others. A stunning ending to the interview when Mike confronts Brown about the Society's current stance on rape and screaming and it certainly seems that they continue to make provision for women to be disciplined if they remain silent. This guy's work should get him at least a nomination for "apostate of the year" for the clarity with which he has explained and exposed the issues. You can't help but wonder what more they are covering up and what truth there might be to the rumors that a pedophile has been or might still be on the governing body." http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36580&site=3

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THE "INCEST EXEMPTION": "The "incest exception" is the special opportunity the law gives to certain sex offenders in most states. It allows offenders related to the victim by blood or marriage to be charged with "incest," instead of "child sexual abuse" or "rape of a child." This "charge bargaining" is a covert form of "plea bargaining," and it can allow predators who grow their own victims to escape prison. This clause exists to 'help' everyone but the victim. The "incest exception" flourishes because prosecutors are elected on the basis of their conviction rates, without regard to the actual sentences handed out to criminals. Worse yet, the intrafamilial abuser escapes prison time and reenters the community. Victims who are considering charging their perpetrators must educate themselves for this harsh reality: the benefits of asserting oneself don't necessarily depend on happy outcomes, legal or otherwise. : From: Interview with Donald D'Haene, author of Father's Touch --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36540&page=1&site=3#493807>

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New Haven Register . . .Protests planned against Witnesses . . . September 14, 2002 . . . LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP)— A group that claims child molestation is widespread among Jehovah's Witnesses is planning protests Sept. 27 at the denomination's world headquarters in New York City and elsewhere. (FULL STORY)http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5368374&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7574&rfi=6

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MARCH in TUCSON: " I am am not able to go to NY for the march on the 27th, so I am following Bill's suggestion on having a march in the city I live in. Whoever else can't go to NY feel free to come to Tucson if this is closer for you. We are going to have the march in Tucson on either the 27th or perhaps the 28th. If others are interested in this I will give a definite date by the 21st. Take care." See this thread for this person's address: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36608&page=1&site=3

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To all: It sickens me that the GB new look at disfellowshipping is just bent on destroying families. Funny how the Bible names gross offenses as reason not to associate. Most of the ones I know that were disfellowshipped were for NONE of those reasons but the ones I knew that were "repentant" were allowed further association. Funny to the repent ones were hmmm always men and the others were women or young teens. Can you say misogynistic.. To have a bunch of men that do not know the circumstances to have the audacity to tell a family that can not treat their family member the same as before the disfellowshipping. How truly sad. I am glad I chose to leave them, they reinforce that decision each time they put their foot in their mouth Sheila M

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Alright, here's the scoop,I spent some time sifting through the mountain of information on this WTBTS Child Abuse Issue, Here is what I came up with, It seems we have already won, Thanks due mainly to Brother Bill Bowen and the pressure he has put on the Society, I believe he is close to having a new,Legislation if you will, or position on the reporting of Child Abuse that is being implemented right before our eyes. I have read the letter sent by the GB to all Brothers in the United Kingdom outlining to them the procedure they are now to follow for reporting accusations of Child Abuse which many of us are aware of (report all allegations to the proper authorities) Very Good Hurray, But I wasn't satisfied, Why just a letter to the U.K. Were they sidestepping the rest of the worldwide organization,well getting to my point I ended my search at Jehovahs-Witness.com found J.R.Brown and read the letters, scrolled down to a letter dated Aug 7 and read a letter to be released immediately, the letter shows 180 degree turn in my opinion, I suggest we all read it for ourselves, I also believe this will be the basic letter read to to Sept 27th March and feel good about it. Go find it yourself, I had to. Love to all...NP

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NP....honestly that message is just a little too cryptic. Don't you think you should provide a link? And don't you mean JW-Media.org when referring to the UK Letter. And do I think the change is enough? NO because there is no clause about the victims...Compare the catholics...Dioceses/eparchies will reach out to victims/survivors and their families and demonstrate a sincere commitment to their spiritual and emotional well-being. The first obligation of the Church with regard to the victims is for healing and reconciliation. Where such outreach is not already in place and operative, each diocese/eparchy is to develop an outreach to every person who has been the victim of sexual abuse* as a minor by anyone acting in the name of the Church, whether the abuse was recent or occurred many years in the past. This outreach will include provision of counseling, spiritual assistance, support groups, and other social services agreed upon by the victim and the diocese/eparchy. .. .http://www.usccb.org/bishops/charter.htm . . .nancy naranjo

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JW HISTORY (DIscussion on Watchtower errors) Sep 14, 2002 21:59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Ed Decker Lecture notes I want to deal with the very important subject of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society headquartered in Brooklyn, New York. They are more commonly referred to as The Jehovah's Witnesses. Most of you are probably familiar with the Watchtower through their two major magazines that seem to be at every Laundromat in the world and also come to us by the way of those infamous door to door visitors The Watchtower Organization is best known by their mass publications. In fact, they are the largest publishers in the free world. In one recent year, they published over 44 million books, over 550 million magazines of the Watchtower Magazine which they publish [over 12 million copies every two weeks] in 103 languages of the world. They also publish over 10 million copies of the Awake Magazine in about 53 languages every two weeks. They are obviously having a great influence around the world through such mass distribution of their Magazines and books. No one can doubt their fiery zeal. They have mapped out the entire United States, so that every home, every dwelling place, will be contacted at least once or twice a year by a team of their workers. They claimed recently that in one year, over 3,200,000 members spent over 700,000,000 hours of door to door witnessing for the Watchtower. And out of that sheer grueling persistence they have been able to harvest many people who have not been grounded in God's Word and were easily led astray by this counterfeit of true Christianity The Watchtower Society was begun by a man named Charles T. Russell who was the founding father of The Jehovah's Witnesses. He was raised in a Congregational Church in Pennsylvania. As he grew up, Russell said there were certain things which he did not like in the Bible. He said he did not like the teaching of hell or eternal judgment, and the teaching of the Trinity. He said it wasn't rational, he could not understand it. Russell began to develop his own theology which he began to publish in a series of volumes called Study in Scripture. Later, in 1879, he began to publish the Watchtower Magazine In 1884, he incorporated the organization in Pennsylvania, as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and in 1909, Russell moved its Headquarters to in Brooklyn, New York, where they have remained to this day. Russell is the founding father of the theological errors of the Watchtower. Early in his ministry, he calculated it out and determined that Jesus Christ was going to return visibly to this earth and for many years he prophesied that Christ was going to return in 1874. When Christ did not show up he changed his calculations and for many more years prophesied Christ's return in the year 1914. 1914 came and went and again, Jesus Christ failed to show up. Russell was not to be disheartened. He redefined the second coming of Jesus Christ and said that Jesus Christ had returned invisibly as an invisible spirit, a ghost, in 1914 to help set up his organization. He died in 1916 having proven to be a false prophet. The Watchtower Organization was then taken over in 1917 by a very dynamic leader, a man named Joseph Franklin Rutherford. It was under Rutherford's leadership that the Watchtower was built into that great theocratic giant we know today. If you have ever talked at length with a member of the Watchtower you know that they claim to be the theocratic Kingdom of God on earth. What they mean by that is a theocracy is a government ruled by God. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they are god's government on earth, that all other governments are satanic, that they alone are the true government of god. This is why a Jehovah's Witness will never salute the flag, why they will never say the Pledge of Allegiance, and why they will never serve in the armed forces of any nation, because they believe all governments are satanic, except the true government of god, headquartered in Brooklyn, New York. As you will see, the Jehovah's Witnesses isolate themselves in other ways from their neighbors. They don't celebrate Christmas because they deny the incarnation of Jesus Christ. And they don't celebrate Easter because they deny the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was also under Rutherford's leadership, in 1931, that they changed their name to The Jehovah's Witnesses. He said they were doing this to vindicate the True name of Jehovah, claiming that Jesus Christ was not God, that the Holy Spirit was not God, and that Jehovah alone was God. We have no problem with the term, Jehovah. It is simply an Old Testament identification for God. Actually, the Jews never pronounce the name of God and while writing in Hebrew, you did not use vowels, only consonants, The Jews spelled it, Yhwh, the name of God. Most likely it would have been pronounced Yahweh, but it has been anglicized as Jehovah, simply referring to the Old Testament identification for God. Rutherford was also famous for his many prophecies. In fact, he prophesied that the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were going to return visibly to this earth to help promote the Kingdom of God. He was so sure of this that he built a large palatial mansion in San Diego, California, for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to live in when he said they were going to return sometime before 1929. 1929 came and went and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never showed up. That's when Rutherford moved into the mansion himself and lived there until he died in 1942 The Organization was then taken over in 1942 by a man named Nathan H. Knorr. It was under Knorr's leadership that they developed their strong missionary outreach all over the world. It was also under his leadership that they did their own translation of the Bible, which they call "The New World Translation." The Jehovah's Witnesses claim that seven Greek scholars in the Watchtower did this translation. It becomes quite obvious to anyone who knows Greek or Hebrew that there are gross errors in this translation. In an attempt to get more data on the translation, Ron wrote the headquarters in Brooklyn, asking them for the names of their scholars, in order to verify their credentials. He received a most interesting letter back from them. It said, "We do not make known the names of our scholars because we want to maintain their humility." We have since found out who the seven were. It turns out that not one of the seven had ever studied Greek in his life, and wouldn't know an alpha from beta if it bit him. In fact, only three of the seven had even finished high school. Of those three only one went on to College. His name was Fredrick Franz, the same man who is now the President of the Jehovah's Witnesses.. He dropped out He dropped out of College after the first semester in 1913 because Russell told him Christ was returning in 1914. The New World Translation is a farce, It was created as a conscious attempt to make the Bible appear to fit their preconceived theology. The new translation was just part of the problems waiting ahead for Nathan H. Knorr. You would have thought that he had learned a good lesson about false prophets from his predecessors. The man did withstand the urge for many years, but finally, in 1966 he could no longer resist and Nathan H. Knorr also began to prophesy through the Watchtower and Awake Magazines. His first major prophecy was that the year 1975 was going to be the end of the age and Armageddon was going to occur. Obviously 1975 has come and gone and Armageddon did not occur. It was just too big a lie to weave a new tale around. Many Jehovah's Witnesses understood what God had said, in Deut. 18:20-22, where He gave us the Biblical test for a Prophet. "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." (Deut. 18: 20 - 22 ) In 1975 through 1977, over two and a half million to three million Jehovah's Witnesses left the Watchtower, deeply disillusioned with the organization that claimed to be the voice of God on earth, but had proven again and again to be a false prophet. Knorr, also proven to be a false prophet, died in 1977. The organization is now run by a very aged gentleman named Frederick Franz whose been their leading theologian over the last 60 years. Yet, the Watchtower continues to grow, continues to prey upon the lost and continues to take advantage of the lost plight of man. It's a rare door that hasn't felt the knock of the Jehovah's Witnesses more than once and it's an even rarer Jehovah's Witness who has heard the gospel message at one of those doors from the resident Christian. The reason is simply that it is a far from simple task to witness to a Witness. It's easier to just close the door and avoid the difficult task of sorting through a maze of confusing doctrines. Let's try to make it a bit simpler. Five important facts to remember about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Organization. 1. They have accepted the Organization as the Prophet of God. 2. They have accepted the Organization as God's sole channel for His truth. 3. They believe that to reject the Organization is to reject God. 4. They believe that only the Organization can interpret the Bible; as individuals they are unable to do so. 5. They believe the Watchtower Magazine contains God's truth, directed by Him, through the Organization. What does the Organization and Watchtower Magazine teach that is in conflict with Orthodox Christianity? 1. That Jesus is a created being/a creature. 2. That Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel 3. That Jesus was not resurrected bodily, but as a spirit being. 4. That Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 (secretly to the Organization) 5. That Jesus was only a man when on earth, not the Word Become flesh. 6. That the Holy Spirit is only an active force, not the person of God. 7. That Hell is simply the grave. 8. That Heaven's doors is open to only 144,000. 9. That the majority of Witnesses must remain on earth. 10. That salvation is found only through the Organization. 11. That it must be maintained by energetic works for the Organization until the end when one may merit eternal life on a paradise earth. 12. That Satan is the author of the doctrine of the Trinity. 13. That Jesus cannot be given worship, but only honor as Jehovah's first creation. The Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe or teach some of the very basic tenets of Christian doctrine. They deny: 1. The Trinity. 2. The Omnipresence of God. 3. The Deity of Christ. 4. The dual nature of Christ. 5. The bodily resurrection of Christ. 6. The visible return of Christ. 7. The person of God the Holy Spirit. 8. The Promise of Heaven to all believers. 9. The necessity of the New Birth for all believers. 10. The Lord's Supper for all believers. (only for the 144,0000). 11. The Eternal Security of the believer. 12. The conscious Eternal Punishment of the lost. The Bible Teaches the Truth... 1. That God exists in a Trinity of three eternal and coequal persons: Father: "To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 1:7), S Son: "Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28) Holy Spirit: "Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God." (Acts 5:3,4) "For there are three that testify" (1 John 5:7). 2. Jesus is no less than God in human flesh "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Colossians 2:9). 3. God, the Holy Spirit, is the third member of the Holy Trinity "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Matt. 28:19; "While they were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." (Acts 13:2). 4. Jesus Christ rose bodily from the grave "The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?" But the temple he had spoken of was his body." (John 2:20,21) "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." (Luke 24:39). 5. Jesus is visibly coming again to set up His Kingdom on earth "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." (Matt. 24:30) "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." (Acts 1:8) "Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." (Rev. 1:7). 6. Salvation is in the person of Jesus Christ and comes through faith in Him. "They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved --you and your household."(Acts 16:31). 7. It's the work of God for man, not a work of man for God "But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:4-6). 8. Jesus was and should be worshipped "A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:26-28; "When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route." (Matt. 2:10-12) "Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God." (Matt. 14:33) Witnessing to a Witness. We need to remember that anyone who denies the divinity of Jesus Christ and carries the heavy burden of a false, religious spirit is going to be going through a lot of highs and lows. True believers, empowered by the companionship of God, the Holy Spirit have a constant presence of the Lord about them that seems to act like a magnet at times. When a Watchtower member comes to your front door and you open it, what are they thinking about? What do they think when you talk about Christianity? First, it's impossible to offer them any hope of heaven. The Jehovah's Witnesses teach and believe that only 144,000 people are going to make it to heaven. They teach that only 144,000 people are going to make it to heaven and the odds are that the visitor at your door isn't one of them. This wonderful news came from Joseph Franklin Rutherford, the second President. After he became President in 1917, they were prophesying that Armageddon was right around the corner. And order to increase the membership, he began to tell his followers that only 144,000 people were going to make it to heaven. The door to door crews began to tell their prospects that they had better join the Watchtower before its too late because Armageddon is right around the corner and the ranks of the 144,000 were filling fast. For many years they preached this. However, in 1934 they ran into a terrible problem. In 1934, the Organization grew larger than 144,000 people and Armageddon had yet to occur. The Watchtower was in a quandary about what to do with all these extra people. Rutherford saved the day when another revelation from God came forth that said that everyone who became a Jehovah's Witness before 1934 would go to Heaven. Everyone who became a Jehovah's Witness after 1934 would stay here on earth and live in a new paradise. That is why today when you talk to most Jehovah's Witnesses they have absolutely no hope of ever going to heaven. They believe it because Rutherford told them so. That is so sad. Perhaps the most cultic doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses is their doctrine concerning Jesus Christ and the trinity. Let s look at their book, "Let God Be True" . "The justice of God would not permit that Jesus as a ransom be more than a perfect man. And certainly not the supreme God almighty in the flesh. Some insist that Jesus, when on earth, was both God and man in completeness. This theory is wrong. The Holy Spirit is not a person and is therefore not one of the Gods of the Trinity." (page 87) That's another common mistake they make in defining the Trinity, they define it as three separate Gods. However, Christianity is not polytheism.) But going further on they say, "The Trinity doctrine was not conceived by Jesus or the early Christians. The plain truth is that this is another of Satan's attempts to keep the god fearing person from learning the truth of Jehovah and his son Christ Jesus. The obvious conclusion therefore is that Satan is the originator of the Trinity doctrine."(Ibid., page 92) Then concerning his death and resurrection they say, " "He was put to death a man, but was raised from the dead a spirit being. The man Jesus is dead, forever dead." (page 122), So King Christ Jesus was put to death in the flesh and was resurrected an invisible spirit creature." How do you deal with someone who comes to your front door and brings this theology? How do you share your faith with them? Recently, a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on Ron Carlson's door. He is my coauthor in our book, Fast Facts on False Teachings. After the usual greetings, Ron invited them in on the condition that they would answer a few of his questions regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses. They said they would be glad to answer any questions that he may have. They were sitting across the kitchen table from Ron when he said, "You know, I guess I really only have one question. Throughout your literature, you continually say that the Trinity is not taught in Scripture." "That's right," the older of the two responded with a warm smile. "Nowhere in the Bible will you find the word Trinity." But Ron countered, "The Trinity is taught throughout God's Word." "Sorry, nowhere in the Bible will you find the word Trinity." He replied. Ron answered, "Well you won't find the word Trinity. That's a Latin term. It only means three in the unity of one. It's simply a term used to describe what God has revealed to us. You use the term theocratic kingdom more than any other term in your literature. Can you show me one place in the Bible where theocratic kingdom is found? It's not in there." "I'll tell you something," Ron continued, "If you stop using the term theocratic kingdom, I'll stop using the term trinity." The elder Witness paused before he answered. "But the Trinity is not rational, you can't understand it." "Well sir," Ron answered, "who told you that because you could not understand something it's not a reality? Let me ask you a question. Do you fully understand Einstein's formulation? The basis of his theory of relativity, the motion of all bodies in a circular universe moving relative to each other? Which he later developed into the quantum theory of light which was the foundation stone for his unified field theory? Do you fully understand that?" They look warily and silently at Ron. He said, "If you tell a physics professor at the University you understand it he will probably flunk you because he doesn't understand it. I can guarantee you that if an atomic bomb went off outside this building right now that you would have immediate, scientific verification of it, whether or not you ever understand it." They remained silent. Ron continued, "The question is not what our three pound brain can understand. The question is what has God from His infinite eternal perspective has chosen to reveal to us concerning His own nature?" Ron paused and looked at both men. "You do believe the Bible, don't you?" "Oh yes, we believe the Bible" they responded. " Ron was warming to the task. .He said, "That's good! Why don't we go to God's Word then and see what God has to say about the trinity. Why don't you put away all your magazines and books, and I will put away all my lexicons, concordances and dictionaries. Why don't we just go to God's Word and see what God has to say." Jehovah's Witnesses main denial and stumbling block is the doctrine of the deity of Jesus Christ. For that reason, we in ministering to Jehovah's Witnesses, we need to deal with that specifically. There are many passages that show the clear teaching of the deity of Jesus Christ. Jehovah Witnesses love the book of Revelation more than any other Book in the Bible. And since they love it so much, you might as well use it with them. Ron brought out his Bible and smiled. "Let's begin and you will see something very interesting develop here," he promised. Ron turned to Revelation 1:8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Ron asked them, "Who is speaking here? I am the Alpha and Omega, says who?" The younger man answered, " Says the Lord God - Jehovah - God!". "You are absolutely right, " Ron answered. "We believe that the Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God, just as it says." Ron continued, "Turn to Revelation 21: 5-7. " "He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. " Here again we see the identification that Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God. The Watchtower visitors smiled broadly and immediately agreed with Ron. " You are absolutely right," said the elder of the two. " We believe that Alpha and Omega is "Jehovah God. That's what it says." "Turn to Revelation 22," Ron continued, "beginning with verse 13." "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Again, the visitors responded that it referred to Jehovah God, the Father. Ron said, "There's just one more verse, do you think you could help me with it?" "Oh," they said, "We'd be glad to." They openly smiling now as Ron appeared to grasp their understanding of Jehovah God. Ron was on a real roll, now. He said, "It's Revelation 1:17-18. Will you read it for me?" he asked. They turned in their Watchtower Bible and the elder one began to read. "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. Ron said, "Stop. I've been trying to figure out who the first and the last is. Tell me who he is." They said, "We just saw who the first and the last is. The first and the last is Jehovah God." Ron said, "You mean to tell me the first and the last is Jehovah God? They said, "Of course he's Jehovah God." Ron replied, "Well, keep reading." "I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. There was a hush that followed. Ron then asked them, "When did Jehovah die?" When did God die?" There was no answer as the men stared silently into their scriptures. Finally the man who did most of the talking said, " I have never seen that before." "Well," Ron answered, "Is this your own Bible, published by the Watchtower?" He said, "Well yes, but I've never seen that before." Ron again asked them, "So, tell me. When did Jehovah die?" They just kept looking at the verse. At last, he quietly answered, "But Jesus died." Ron said, "Oh, you mean Jesus is Jehovah God?" He said, "Well, no. He can't be." "Why not," Ron asked? "Well, if Jesus is Jehovah God, that would change everything else in the Bible. everything else we believe about him." " You know, that's what I thought too," Ron answered." The older man stood. "We have to leave now." Ron said, "Sir, could you find out for me when Jehovah died? Would you go back to your Kingdom Hall and ask your overseer when did Jehovah die? When you get the answer could you bring your Watchtower leaders back to my house so they could tell me? I would really appreciate that." Needless to say, they never returned. Jesus Christ was one hundred percent God and he was one hundred percent man. You see, the Jehovah's witnesses can deal with the humanity of Christ, but will not submit to His divinity. Where does that leave them? The Apostle, Paul helps clarify this point for us. "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:5-11). Paul is telling us that though Jesus Christ is eternally God by nature he did not cling to his prerogative as God's equal, but he chose to humble himself and take on human flesh. Christ did not give up his divine nature. But while on earth Jesus Christ chose to temporarily self impose limitations upon his divine attributes. While on earth, Jesus Christ chose not to be omniscient. He chose not to be omnipotent and he chose rather to live as a man and to submit himself fully to the will of the father, to do the father's will on earth. When he died on that cross, he was the perfect sacrifice, the infinite sacrifice, the eternal lamb of God who shed his blood once for all time for the remission of sins. It doesn't matter what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Jesus. One day, every single one of them, including every leader who perpetuated this gross heresy, will have to meet the Master. ON that day, "every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Whether it's at the banqueting table of joy or at the great white throne judgment of the damned, every knee will bow. Our prayer is that God would open up the hearts and minds of these people who are ensnared in this foolishly created, manmade system and organization, as they believe the lie and try to earn their salvation through the watchtower, apart from Jesus Christ. We pray that they would come to know the triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who loves us and desires that we come into a personal relationship with Him. We pray for the lost members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, people ensnared by lying leaders. The Word of God says : "Those who guide this people mislead them, and those who are guided are led astray." (Isa. 9:16) The King James Version says that they are destroyed. What an ignoble end for a misled people who only seek to serve God. What a tragedy. We thank God for Jesus Christ, who took our sin and nailed it to the cross and covered it with His shed blood as the infinite payment, the eternal lamb of God once for all time. We thank the Lord for the Holy Spirit, who comes and lives in us and gives us new life. To God be the honor and glory and praise.. We worship Him alone and we thank you, Lord we love you, Lord. "Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

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No matter how interesting a subject is (ie JW History0 -if it is too long, IT IS TOO LONG. Please if the item is pages long JUST POST A BRIEF description and a LINK to the info's website. Please-this is a guest book.

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I AGREE----I personally know several people on the guestbook and NONE OF THEM read the loooonnnnggggg postings so its a waste of time on the posters part and a waste of space on the guestbook....especially since there is no one to separate it and it gets larger by the minute. jazbug Spokane 2

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I thought this web site had something to do with J.W.'s or child abuse or something. Instead all I find here is a bunch of whining, c*cksucking bitches. You deserve all the abuse you get. Just go to hell and STFU.

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i went to the conference in Wales yesterday where Bill gave some talks. Bill gave us some really good information on the WTS cover up. Bill and i had a personal chat that evening about things we were concerned about. i have to say i was really impressed with Bills attitude and his integrity. he is a fine man who is giving his life for the sake of others, if only we were all as courageous. i feel although this is a major task that Bill has taken on, i feel he will be rewarded by his efforts, and he will go down in history as a man who stood up for what is right, and has fought against an evil of this world, and won. the WTS can run, but they cant hide. who can save them now? RICH

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RJ: let me just clarify one point. this silentlambs movement does not belong to the general public who post on this guest book. it belongs to Bill Bowen, and the victims of abuse who are or have been a JW. the people who post here support Silentlambs, but they have there own agenda for doing so, which i personally cant subscribe to. most here would love to see the JWs finished. you do raise good points that these people cant refute because they probably believe what you are saying is true. **** unfortunately, and i say unfortunately because it needn't have been the case, the WTS have put themselves between a rock and a hard place when it comes to their policy on child abuse. if they change their policy to an appropriate policy of reporting the abuse or suspicion of abuse to the authorities first before reporting to the elders, then they openly admit their previous policy was wrong and they'd lose every lawsuit that was brought against them. the WTS know they cant do this so they're standing their ground. keep your eye on what happens in the Vicky Boer court case in Canada, because if the WTS loses this case it will set a precedent and will open the floodgates of other lawsuits. what is being put to the test in this case is the WTS policy. if they lose it spells disaster. not only will the WTS be publicly be proved liars in court but they would face bankruptcy, which would mean the end of the organization. millions of sincere bros and sis will be completely disillusioned as to what's happened, only those who have looked at things objectively and haven't put their faith in men will see a way out and keep their faith. really RJ, i know where you're coming from i believe there are many good and positive things in our religion we can be proud about, but its a waste of time arguing with people on this guest book, you just wont achieve anything. all i'd say to you is look at the evidence presented on both sides, after all this is what would happen in a court of law, and don't just take peoples word for it, no matter WHO says it. we as rank and file do not get any information we need to come to a proper conclusion from the WTS, they just tell what THEY think we should be privy to. Bill as an elder and his co-operation with Barb Anderson who was in a position in the WTS to know all the relevant information have the evidence that we can not get hold of. they made every effort within the WTS to get this problem sorted out but to no avail. this is why Silentlambs exits. they are making this evidence available to you and everyone if they so choose to view it. if there's no evidence, then there's no case, and Bill and everyone would just pack up and go home. RICH

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rich very good post to no name rj. yes the wt does teach some good things. almost any church teaches basic good over evil. i can refute any jw that says the wt is gods chosen people and jesus choose the wt in 1919. just as you say if the wt loses these cases ,they will be in big trouble. well in the early 1900-20's the wt lost many court cases proven them to be heretics. but in a free country you can believe anything. so the wt continued on it's merry way. but now the wt is getting caught being an accomplice to child molestation. this has nothing to do with what doctrine one may teach. it has to do with criminal offenses . that's were the wt made the big mistake. jw's need to understand this...john

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here's a good one go to eBay under watchtower. there is a wt document for sale. from the early 1900's offering a $1500 reward if any one can prove russell's prophecies are wrong. i think this had something to do with some of the court cases that russell lost in court . if no one has collected as of yet i would love to get that money!!! john

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Read Bill's post from the UK . . .http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36683&site=3 . . (one excerpt) . .I find it humorous when angry JW's say silentlambs has had their 15 minutes of fame, it seems they just do not get it. The issue is gaining momentum, more and more pressure is being brought to bear on this matter. Is our 15 minutes over? Or has it been more like 30 minutes? Whose fame are we really talking about? It is the silent lambs fame, they are roaring, the media is listening, and WT has no comment. Great PR guys, that makes the media really think you have compassion.

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BILL SAYS HI FROM THE UK: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36683&site=3

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Okay all...here goes my story as a JDub, long but true. JW's here....bite me.Hi All, Please bear with me through this, this could likely become lengthy. I feel it's time for me to give you My Story as a Dub. I was born and raised in a Jehovah's Witness family. An extremely "hardcore", strict witness home. I am/was third generation witness. My father has always been the presiding overseer since I can remember. I have five brothers, four of which are Elders in various witness congregations. One brother, no longer a witness like myself, lives in Barcelona Spain. I have no sisters. My mother converted into it when she met my father, she was raised Lutheran. When I was nine years old, I was molested by a jw, close friend of my father. This man had been converted by my father, and they had established a close friendship and this man was often at our house for dinners and other gatherings. This man, Mike, lived in a house that was on my way home from school. Without going into all the sordid details of what happened, I ran home afterwards without stopping and went straight to my father. My shirt was torn and I was crying. I told him what Mike did to me and showed him my torn shirt. His reaction was rage. But, not rage at Mike, but rage at me. My father accused me of lying about Mike, saying that how terrible if was for me to blame my torn shirt on Mike when I was just horsing around on my way home from school, subsequently tearing my shirt. He then ordered me to my room, with a swift kick to my backside as I climbed the stairs. He also ordered me to never discuss this ever again.That was HIS reaction. MY reaction to his words were devastation. My Daddy didn't believe me, and I got into trouble for telling. It was never brought up again by either of my parents. That day and experience changed me immediately. My relationship with my father, in my own mind, changed from being "daddy's little girl" to just Mel's daughter. It unfortunately taught me that if anything "bad" were to happen to me, that I cannot tell anyone because I got into trouble. A short time later, my father was called to speak with Mike's wife (pregnant at the time), who had discovered he had cheated on her. Since my mother wasn't at home to watch us six kids, my father had to take all of us with him. When we arrived where she was staying, all of us kids were sat down in the living room while my father was in the dining room (in earshot of all of us), listening to her tell what she had discovered. I couldn't help but look at Carol as she talked and cried to my father, but mostly I just stared at my father's eyes, trying my best to read a sense of compassion for her tears. When Carol mentioned the person Mike had cheated with was a "young girl", my eyes stayed on my father's. I peered deeply into his eyes, trying to find some recognition and almost begging him to look me straight in the eyes. When he finally did, I only saw emptiness, no special look from my father that NOW he believed me. Nothing...., just him pointing at the coloring book I had telling me to color instead of watching what was going on. Man, that hurt. My brothers and I had reason to be fearful of my father when he was angry. I remember all of us watching All In The Family one day, and my making a comment that my father's temper was much like that of Archie Bunker's. Remember how Archie would jump out of his recliner in a rage? Ooooooh, bad thing for me to have said. Another example is the beating my younger brother received one day when I caught him and a couple of his friends in an alley after school "seeing whose was bigger". I, being the typical kid to tattle, ran home and told my dad (this was prior to what Mike had done to me). My father sat all of us down in the living room, including my mother, and proceeded to beat my brother with a leather strap until my brother literally passed out on the couch. I don't remember how many times he was hit, I lost count. After several licks, my mother began to silently cry. One of my older brothers stood up and was starting to tell my father Enough! My father simply pointed at him and angrily told him to Sit Down! By then we were all crying, and starting begging my father to stop. My younger brother, the beatee, wasn't moving anymore on the couch but my father kept hitting him. A couple of my brothers ran to my father and put their arms around him to make him stop. The sense of guilt I had over that was incredible. At the age of ten or 11, I was molested by my oldest brother. He, apparently, had been a bit too intrigued by his Biology class in school and wanted to see for himself. I never told a single, solitary soul until June 7th of this year when I posted it on Silentlambs guestbook as an "Open Letter To My Parents", for anyone interested in reading the "sordid" details of that which I won't add here. When I was sixteen and living in Illinois, my mother appeared suddenly at my high school announcing to me that I was being removed from school and that she and I were to begin working together cleaning houses. When I shockingly asked why, she simply said she and my father were concerned about the association I was getting at school. To this day I'd like to know what association they felt I had in school? We weren't allowed close friendships with anyone that wasn't a jw of course, so the only "association" I ever had was just riding back and forth on the bus, and the minimal time in between classes!!! What association?!!! During this time, I had been seen by my father talking to a boy in our apartment complex. This boy was already, unbeknownst to me, talking with another of my brothers about the "troof", and had begun studying. At the age of seventeen, I married this boy/guy. My parents belief, in total alignment with jw teaching, is it's "better to marry very young than to possibly sin against God". We were married for fifteen years, until I divorced him in '93 due to abuse throughout all the years we were married. I'll never forget my father's words to me the first time I was hit by my husband. Before I could even get the story out, he said and I quote, "What did you do to deserve it?" With almost every occurrence, I went to the Elders in my local congregation for help, as is also dictated through the organization. The Elders would come to our home and tell my husband that if he didn't stop treating me that way, that he "could be disfellowshipped". Throughout the fifteen years I was married to this abusive witness man, more Elders than I can count came to our home and told my husband that same phrase, but it was never carried out. That's not to say that I felt his being disfellowshipped would have changed anything for my circumstances, but I felt that if the Elders were going to make the threat, surely at some point their threat would be carried out. It never was. Many times I found myself sitting on the floor of a closet, crying hysterically, praying to God to please help me. Please God, help me; show me what I should do before this man kills me. After each of my heart wrenching prayers, the immediate thought that came to my mind was, "get a divorce". But that only confused me more since jw's don't believe God approves of divorce unless there is proven/admitted adultery. How could God answer? my prayer with, Get a divorce, if God doesn't approve of divorce. My confusion and inner turmoil only increased. My faith in God as the answerer of prayers came to a halt. I stopped praying completely. I believed I must be being attacked by Satan for me to have thoughts of divorce, rather than it possibly being God giving me "a way out". Only when I caught myself momentarily considering harming myself did I realize I needed to get away from this man. I then began a plan to get my divorce. It took six months for me to save enough money from secretly working part time to afford the lawyer. When the six months were up and I had the money needed for the lawyer, I threw my husband out of the house and told him I was divorcing him. The next day I got a call from an Elder in our congregation saying he and the C.O. wanted to come by and speak to me about what they had heard I was planning. They came over that evening to "remind" me that if I got the divorce without the scriptural grounds of adultery, then I would have to spend the rest of my life alone, never to date a man or even entertain the notion of ever remarrying. That is, until my husband had found a woman and had committed "scriptural adultery"; after that I would be "free" to date and remarry. Their words went in one ear and out the other, they meant nothing to me at that point. I got my divorce with the firm belief that if God now hated me for getting a divorce, then I had no use for this kind of God. A God who would have me stay with this man until he killed me. I moved to Dallas (we were in Illinois) with my children to begin a new, safe life. My entire family was now living here. For two years after moving here, I occasionally went to the meetings, but my faith in God, in prayer, in religious meetings of any kind has grown sour. I had also learned from my mother at that same time that my father was seriously considering going into a business opportunity with the same Mike that had molested me when I was nine years old. I was furious to say the least, and quickly drove to my parents house to confront my father. He had no response other than to say that it was time I "got over it". I cussed him out and walked out furious! I changed from their Kingdom Hall to one in Garland. I did this in an attempt to slip out of the religion, not attend any meetings, but still have contact with my family. It didn't take my father long to discover that I had only attended the Garland Kingdom Hall once or twice and hadn't been seen in several months. I was of course confronted by my father as to why I hadn't been attending, but I simply walked away from him, leaving him standing there dumbfounded. During this same time, my oldest brother (an elder) was found to be having a lengthy affair with a married sister in his congregation. My father had told my mother not to tell me, or anyone else in the family/congregation about my brother and sister in law being separated and why, because "if they can work things out and reconcile no one needs to know". My mother finally told me two weeks later and I went straight to my brother and told him everything I ever thought of him. I was furious that he wasn't df'd, since he'd been having the affair for more than five months! But, my brother knew how to play the game. He cried crocodile tears to the other elders, cried hysterically on my mother's lap, and he was rendered "repentant". The elders had told my brother to stay away from this sister while the divorce was being completed, yet he continued to date her in public and married her one week after the divorce was finalized (they deserve each other, eh?). My mother called to tell me I had a "new sister" that day. I told my mother that if she chose to accept this girl as her daughter so be it, but she would never be my sister. I had known my brother's wife since I was fourteen years old and loved her like a sister I never had. This same 'sister' of mine was the woman who bathed my mother when she had an operation on both of her hands and my father wasn't willing to bathe his wife or help her in the bathroom. This same sister was now being denounced by my mother because she divorced my brother! Argh!!!!! I then, in 1995, wrote an official letter to the Elders in my father's congregation that I no longer wanted to be considered a witness and for them to remove my name from their membership list. I was divorced in '93, but it took me till '95 to write that letter, because I knew what the consequences would be. I would lose all contact with my family and everyone I ever knew, I would be rendered dead by them all. I was officially disfellowshipped that same week, and an announcement was made as such to the entire congregation that I was disfellowshipped. From that day until sometime in 2000, I had no interest whatsoever in even hearing anything religiously natured. It turned my stomach, and I would leave the area. In 2000, I accepted an invitation from my bosses father/mother to visit their non-denominational church for a "fellowship day". There wouldn't be any sermons that day, just fellowship and games, etc. I enjoyed myself very much, and met some very nice people. I visited on a Sunday and met the preacher, Charles Mickey. Charles has an incredible speaking ability. He didn't prance around the stage like many Baptist ministers do, pounding on the podium, yelling at the audience, etc. So I kept going, and I actually became a member there. I joined the choir, since I love to sing. However, I must be honest when I say my motives were not pure. I liked to sing, but I didn't have any real "feeling" towards what we were singing and who were singing to or for. It was never a "praise" to me. I stayed at that church for a year, until a day when I was approached and asked if I'd consider teaching a Sunday School class to children. I felt immediate pain in my stomach, a panic rush went through my bones, and all I could do was get out of there as fast as I could. I felt pressured, even though I'm sure it wasn't intended. Growing up a jw, and all the pressure to preach more and more, and spend more documented hours monthly preaching, etc caused the panic in me that day. I simply walked backwards slowly shaking my head no, until I finally turned and ran all the way to my car. I never went back. What that poor man must have wondered at the expression on my face as I pulled away and ran! From the day I was disfellowshipped, I have had virtually zero contact of any kind with my family. Other than the occasional information that would flow through the grapevine that a family member had died, or someone was seriously ill. Only in the last few months, perhaps a year now, have I had any real interest in learning where I came from religiously, why I was taught the way I was taught, and why Christians in the world believe so differently than how I was raised to believe. I began to research my previous religion. I wanted to know if there was real "truth" about God, who he is, who he isn't. I wanted to know what really, with "truth", happens to a person when they die. Witnesses teach that when you die, your soul dies too. That Armageddon is coming "right around the corner", and will destroy all of mankind except all of Jehovah's Witnesses. JW's believe they are the only "true religion", and they alone are God's inspired earthly organization. I wanted to know what would happen to me if I died this minute. Would I be "damned to hell" because I divorced my husband? Who is this God? Why should I put my faith and trust in him? Who is this Jesus? Are they a Trinity? Really?! Prayer???? I hadn't prayed since that horrible day in the closet. My research began on the topic of who is God in relation to Jesus. Are they a Trinity or not? To me, that was the one topic that I had to have answered first. That subject was more important to me to know truthfully, before I began further research into any of the other topics. My research results were emotionally, mentally and spiritually devastating to me. I had stumbled upon a book written by a previous member of the "Governing Body", Ray Franz. I figured, who else but a previous gb member would be able to tell me where I came from religiously, since I already knew the book was not quite an "expose", but simply facts Ray Franz discovered about the inner workings and decision making within the religion. The information in that book ripped my soul apart, to put it mildly. Reading those damn yearbooks about the "persecution", murders and rapes in Malawi, and then to discover the reality of that vs. what was going on in Mexico nearly caused me a nervous breakdown. After reading that book, I began researching Trinity and Deity of Christ. I discovered that I'd been taught wrong all my life about the Deity of Christ. When I read the proof in black and white, it literally caused me to hurl the book and papers across the room, yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"! I felt as though I was shattered glass on the ground. I cried and cried. I ran to my car, drove off and drove for hours, crying. I felt total devastation to see for myself that I'd not only been taught wrong about God and Jesus, but to realize that I'd lost my entire family, due to the pathetic mind control of the g.b, men in New York who change the beliefs back and forth, making false prophesies about when Armageddon will come but doesn't come, controlling the lives and thinking of millions of people. Now that made me mad! During that last several months, I've been a regular visitor and poster on a web site called Silentlambs. And I will personally be helping distribute those lambs here in Dallas, along with numerous other silentlamb survivors, including my two nieces. This brings me healing in more ways than I can say. I cannot stand back and do nothing when I know that children everywhere are put at risk on a daily basis by these pedophiles. I felt pain during the months children were out of school during their summer break, wondering if a jw pedophile was knocking on the door of a latch-key child. I spent the first thirty five years of my life being controlled; by my father and his leather belt; by my husband's strong hand; and controlled by the jw belief system. I believe in God and Jesus. I believe they are real, and I prayed for the first time in many years the day I drove away crying, discovering the Deity of Christ. Where my research in questions will lead me, I still don't know. I've had recent moments when I felt as though God were tapping me on my shoulder to say, "It's going to be alright, I'm watching over you little one". Whether God will lead me to a church, I don't know. Whether this means I'm "saved", I don't know. It's hard for anyone who hasn't gone through it, or lived it themselves. Even those who were converted at some point in their lives, but were not born into it, can't really understand because they have a "before, during and after" image to return to once they leave the religion/cult. I don't have that luxury. It was all I ever knew. And it was a lie. I've had a real strong sense of wanting to tell my story, and to do everything I can to protect the children from these pedophiles in this excuse of a religion. My son was molested by a jw when he was in second grade, when we lived in Illinois. He didn't tell anyone either, not even his parents. His molester told him that "this is how God wants us to show love for each other, and you want God to love YOU don't you"?. My son is now serving time in jail for molesting another child, my youngest daughter. My emotions are confused, mixed between pain and anger. Pain and anger over what happened to my little boy so many years ago, how his molester threatened to kill me and my husband, and claiming this is how God wants us to show love for each other. And, in pain and anger over how my son then victimized my little girl, taking away her innocence and threatening to kill both me and their father. What happened to me has gone full circle and devastated my children. I've had a very hard life up until I met my new fiance'. I feel blessed to have found him. I can't help but feel that it's important for Larry and I to feel similar in a spiritual sense, in our beliefs together as man and wife. I feel as though I'm starting at ground zero, working my way up. Where my research will bring me in a religious sense, I have no idea. But, I do know that whatever it is, I'm ready for it, and I will never again be controlled by any man, or any one else. My mind is clear, and my claws are very sharp. Linda Thoman

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I have read your articles and I am very saddened over them. And I do have to say that I feel for each and every one of the victims because I have experienced some of these same experiences growing up as a witness. My name is Sheryl (Pollard) Peterson. My e-mail address is sheryl_ann321@yahoo.com

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SEND SILENTLAMBS' eCARDS to EVERYONE in your Address Book and ask they forward them on to Everyone in THEIR address book! It's another way to get the word out! You can use these photos from Bill's webshots site, details here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36703&page=1&site=3#495643

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THIRTY-SIX ABUSE VICTIMS COME FORWARD after reading the SEATTLE NEWSPAPER COVERAGE LAST WEEK: Read about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36656&page=1&site=3#495660

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Linda, I read your post, your story is so similar to mine, I'm also 3rd generation with similar story, I noticed the same thing ,that is when something horrific happens its blame and beat the kids, then the next day as if nothing ever happened,It may be a defense mechanism in our parents, I don't know, Today is the first day of your life, We can try to forget the past,but cannot shut the door on it in order to go on the best we can, the part were you looked in your fathers eyes when he was talking to your abusers wife, looking for that of recognition and not getting it was heartbreaking, I truly am sorry this happened, also for your son, thanks for sharing your story...NP

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We are in a progress to start a site like this in Sweden, for the Scandinavian people. It´s remarkable that nearly none of Jehovah's Witnesses knows what's going on in this area here in this country. I know a "brother" who in secret put up papers about what´s happening in U.S.A. and about the BBC-program, at the congregations wallboard. The elders took them down and there is now a reputation about some apostate who puts up propaganda at the Kingdom Hall! They try to avoid and hide the truth for the members. So there is a need to give word to this here too. Do you have any suggestions of how we shall work this out? I can produce a homepage for this subject. Í have been a Jehovah's Witness for several years but left it for ten years ago. The site must be open for both x-Jv and Jv. I have a contact with a person who still is a Jehovah's Witness and who is interested in this project. Have you any suggestions? My email is elinor.karlsson@telia.com and I live in Sweden.

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I am an inactive Jehovah's Witness who was molested by my father. Everyone protected him and called me a liar. Even my own family members who were supposed to protect and love me. Now that I am inactive they throw it up to people and say things like "see SHE left the truth because she can't handle all the lies she told. I am not the one who is lying though. My story has not changed in all of these years. The last time I saw my father in person, and was alone with him he started talking about *what happened* like it was no big deal, then he goes and tells people he didn't do it AND has a family member corner me and tell me that they had proof that I was lying. They also have sent another family member to ask me to write a notarized letter saying that I lied about the whole thing because I was mad about something. The elders never even had a meeting with me about it instead they told my father that I was just rebelling against the religion and family. I felt like I was the only one being treated this way and then I saw the special on Dateline NBC and it really hit me hard to know that the organization that I loved allowed so many people to be hurt. I do not blame God but I do blame the people that make the overall decisions for not handling things in a law abiding way and protecting innocent children. Me sbugnmike@aol.com

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linda ; thanx for the heart breaking facts of your life. i can only pray and wish you peace and happiness in the future.....love john

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WELCOME to all the new ones who have posted here. I have emailed everyone to say hi and let me know if you need to talk or if I can help in any way. Thank you for your strength and in sharing your stories so that others who come here may feel comfortable to do the same. Love to you all!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesika Thoman, Dallas-Tx

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/RON must be related to RJ Troll since they sing the same old blues. FEEL FREE /RON to start a support site for the 30,000 abused boys in LA. We are NOT here to fix the ENTIRE world of victims (go ask the current JWs in the KHalls to do that, since that is THEIR job). This site is for "fixing" the "world" of the ABUSED JWs and those associated with them. THAT'S ALL. If you can carry the ENTIRE WORLD on YOUR SHOULDERS, please! Be Our Guest. People who speak like you are from Satan himself, like the GB brow-beating the JWs saying they are Never Doing Enough. GO DO IT YOURSELF, if you want it done! We're doing what we set out to do and are BEING VERY SUCCESSFUL AT IT. SIgn me Sick and Disgusted with the Complainers!

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No, SHAME ON YOU /RON for not recognizing a BLESSING when it's right in YOUR face. /Disgusted

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WELCOME silentkiller-bravepages! HAPPY TO MEET YOU, a fellow SURVIVOR! Thanks for your refreshing UPBUILDING comments! LOVE to you. SIgn me a Little Less Disgusted Now that I saw BRAVE's post!

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Julie Thomas - Quit Complaining! How many times do you post here? Every one who complains - HEAR THIS: POST SOMETHING POSITIVE OR DON'T POST AT ALL! All COMPLAINERS PLEASE LEAVE & NEVER COME BACK. WE DO NOT NEED YOUR NEGATIVITY HERE. /Disgusted Again.

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WELCOME & THANK YOU to: INFOSYBILJERRY INC@AOL.! POSITIVE POSTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME! /Disgusted

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QUIT COMPLAINING JULIE FROM DIXON. If you don't like what you read, then POST SOMETHING POSITIVE. You are only ADDING DISCOURAGEMENT. GET IT????????????? /Disgusted

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FYI: ALL of the Canadian Trial Info (Boer v. Canadian WTBTS) can be found at www.jehovahs-witness.com. Click on the SEARCH feature at the very top of the page, type in BOER, and everything on that case will come up.

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/RON has ALOT to learn about the ORGANIZATION. Spend more time at www.jehovahs-witnesses.com and click on all of the sites at the bottom of that website, and do your reading, and then try sticking up for the ORGANIZATION. Give it SIX MONTHS. That's about how long it takes once you start reading. You WILL have your EYES OPENED.

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16 Sep 2002
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GREAT POST about the #1-#7 questions on the FRONT PAGE. SO TRUE SO TRUE.

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16 Sep 2002
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LOL @ Closed Door Session of the GB. You KNOW it's true, too! Read the BETHEL posts at J-W.com from those who were THERE.

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THANKS to JESIKA & LINDA (& everyone) for taking care of the correspondence and welcoming the new visitors, leaving messages, writing them, etc. And here's a HELLO to Buster and RMK and Rich and John and Soapbox and NP and Sheila, and even Bonnielynn wherever she may be! Hope I didn't leave anyone out! The ORLANDO press conference was fantastic. The link to it is further above. Greetings to All & Hugs/SLC

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LOL @ Closed Door Session of the GB. You KNOW it's true, too! Read the BETHEL posts at J-W.com from those who were THERE. It's amazing to get the INSIDE VIEW for those of us who always thought it was the Most Holy of Places on Earth. /SLC

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RJ & RON must DEFINITELY BE RELATED. They speak like the Double-Mint Twins. I'm sorry to have to say this, but it sounds like a perfect EXAMPLE of the "unified" WT brainwashing. No offense fellas. You guys must be in a lot of pain. Here's a SINCERE {{{{{HUG}}}}} for each of you. /SLC

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GO FOR IT NP! GOOD COMMENTS to /RON! You explained it perfectly! THANK YOU for carrying the torch! (Nina, too!) /SLC

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LOL @ SHEILA who responded to /RON with .............. --- /SLC

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16 Sep 2002
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THANKS RICH for the report from the UK and the chat will B.Bowen! Great News! /SLC

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LOL @ John re: the $1500 prize to prove Russell's prophecies are wrong. GO FOR IT, J! /SLC (Also, your post about you and your brother going witnessing and 80 percent didn't have time to talk.) :-)

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WELCOME to Sheryl Peterson!!! {{{{{HUGS}}}}} /SLC

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To ELINOR in Sweden who wants to create a similar website: THANK YOU for wanting to do that! For concrete suggestions it would be good to please write to: info@silentlambs.org for assistance! Bill Bowen will be back soon from the UK and he can guide you. I also sent a copy of your post to him. Thanks/SLC

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WELCOME to sbugnmike@aol.com !!! Your story is unbelievably upsetting. They were scheming all around you. {{{{{HUGS}}}}} If you like, please send your story to help@silentlambs.org.

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SILENTLAMBS will SOON have a SHOPPING CART! It's Looking BEAUTIFUL SO FAR, and it works even now, but waiting for Bill to return to finalize some of the details and pictures, etc. You can read about it here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36683&site=3> And/or you can see it here: <http://web.pinwebhost.com/~megasyte/support/> THANKS TO REVMALK FOR MAKING THE SHOPPING CART for SILENTLAMBS!!! /SLC

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DOWNEY, CALIFORNIA: READ HERE what occurred when two Silentlamb Supporters and a REPORTER took Stuffed Lambs to the KHall in Downey. The Elder Didn't Like It Too Much: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36741&site=3

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Before the nay-sayers start getting attacked again I want to say thank you to "Disgusted" for this "This site is for "fixing" the "world" of the ABUSED JWs and those associated with them. THAT'S ALL." Anyone else helped is a bonus...Right? I don't think that it is possible to marry into a JW family and to not be effected. And a DF'ed spouse; OH BOY! If you don't understand the game plan and want to play peacemaker I hope you like empathetic bloody noses. Get used to them. I have to admit that when I came to SL I was much more angry at the JW body that I was aware of. But after awhile (and a phone call from Bill) I started to see that being angry and blabbering about it is not going to help me or anyone else. So I asked myself what do I want? How can I help myself? When I did that all the anger just melted away. I was free of it. (SO COOL) I hope that every hurting person here will get to experience this. (and justice) I know that what you have endured is beyond my understanding and I am so sorry. But, I hope that you all can find a way to either live with the burden (and be happy) or are able to move past it. (and be happy) I know that some of you are in the JW movement and are afraid of what the world will view you as now. Most I have met are confused and find all of this hard to believe. (Me too) But I think that in the end this issue will be dealt with in a much more just way than it is now. I also do not think that you should have to leave your faith. Period. If you are happy then that is where you should stay. I can not. But if you can then I hope you find peace if you do not have it, and keep it if you have it now. Before I can say I would have been looking for a fight, now I can say that you would get a hug at my door. Discussion,,,no. But a hug that is the best I can do right now.-Jayson

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Not to detract from child sex abuse issues, but if you want a few laughs, there's a guy named BlackMan at J-W.com who used to be a Bethelite and he writes the FUNNIEST STORIES of life at Bethel! Here's one about GLEANING: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=7343&site=3 ----- And here's one about THE BIDDING WARS: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36761&site=3 ----- And last but not least are his thoughts on the MINISTERIAL TRAINING SCHOOL (MTS): http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36760&site=3 ----- OK. Now back to your Regularly Scheduled Reading. /SLC

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Anger, Depression Common Results of Molestation -- Newspaper article about that subject here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36742&site=3 -----/SLC

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We positively agree with what is being stated on this website in behalf of the many victims that have suffered needlessly at the sacrifice of keeping the molesters secret!! We were J.W. for almost 40 yrs. of our lives and have experienced many injustices at the hand of so-called holy spirit inspired elders! We are inactive at this time because of injustice that has occurred in our immediate family!

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JOHN: Terms and Conditions: to claim the reward of $1500, evidence to disprove Russell's prophecies must be received at WTB&TS HQ before Dec 31 1913. the "Judge's" decision is final. your statutory rights will not be affected(unless you're baptized). people who work for the WTB&TS or who are associated are forbidden to enter. :-)

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STATE-by-STATE LIST of the STATUTUES of LIMITATIONS soon to be posted at J-W.com. That information may be helpful to USA abuse victims who may be THINKING about coming forward and/or taking legal action. In the meantime, that list can be seen here by this weekend: www.lovenorrisattorneys.com ----- Thanks/SLC ----- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36804&page=1&site=3#497477

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HEAR YE! HEAR YE! MORE LAWSUITS in Nevada, Oregon, Florida and Texas will be filed within the next 2 weeks... STAY TUNED!!! /SLC ----- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36804&page=1&site=3#497477

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Tina Alfano gave me your link. The only way I am able to help is to add your link to our web site. Marcia Duning mduning@woh.rr.com Webmistress, Angels That Care www.angelsthatcare.org

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All bullshit, call it silent bulls.

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17 Sep 2002
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" A lie has short legs. The truth will outrun a lie."

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WT has short legs, and TRUTH is prevailing!

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IF ANYONE NEEDS A LAMB, there are 75 left at a GREAT price, $1.47 each plus shipping. Can't beat that! I ordered TEN for the KHalls around here. /SLC ----- (Info at this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36831&site=3 -- "Hi all, The last of the lambs arrived today, as well as the ribbon. (My cup runneth over with 500 lambs!)They are scheduled for delivery tomorrow, for those of you who've ordered them. I have about 75 lambs left for any last minute takers! Please e-mail me at susieswindowsill@aol.com if you are interested. Thanks!"

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I was tossed in 1990 in Portland ME for exposing a rape kept secret and confessing to having read Ray's book. Come visit the best Bible site on the internet: http://home.maine.rr.com/bittertruth Keep the Faith, everyone!

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My heart goes out to all the ones who have been abused sexually, emotionally, physically and spiritually who have posted on this site. I was sexually abused and so were my daughters by men who were leaders in the Jehovah's Witness Organization. I was a JW for over 45 years. I saw injustice and inequities in the Watchtower for years, but I kept thinking "Jehovah will make it right, I just have to be patient." In the early 1980 things just kept piling up and my husband and I and another Witness sister started reading the Bible (NWT) together on a regular basis after the Watchtower study on Sunday. We began to see lots of things that seemed different, but as good witnesses, we still were reading with WT glasses. When we got to Luke 11:11-13 and read that we could "ask for Holy Spirit", I did and began to try to prove that the WT was right about the "great crowd" being on earth. I really believe that I would have proof after I began to read the Greek Scriptures through. I read it three times and the third time I started checking the interlinear reading of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation. I was amazed at what I found. The "great crowd" was in the "divine habitation of God" "in sight of the throne. Sounded like heaven to me. This was the beginning of our exit out. Holy Spirit had shown us the truth, the real truth. I noticed that there are several posters here in No. California, Auburn, Placerville, Lodi. I would love to meet you. There are about a dozen of us who meet once a month, first Saturday at 5PM. There is a website you can go to to sign up and find out where it will be on October 5. http://exjw.meetup.com Here is my email if you care to contact me. Eliveleth@hotmail.com With love, Velta

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Oops, also meant to tell you to click on "Sacramento" to find the meetup location. Sorry about that. Velta

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SILENT RAMS: This is not associated with the SilentLambs website, but merely FYI. /SLC --- Photos from Survivors Sought <http://www.jimhopper.com/male-ab/#last> Photos of male survivors of childhood or adult sexual abuse are being sought to be included in a poster which will be sold to help raise money for the 2003 international conference on male sexual victimization. We are seeking current photos of survivors and photos taken at the age when the abuse took place. We are interested in cultural, ethnic, and racial diversity. In addition we would like to include men in military uniform, clerical garb, judicial robes, sports equipment, medical clothing, or other dress that indicates that males who survive sexual abuse go on to have successful careers. We are also interested in including a man who is incarcerated. Photos will be returned if desired. Participants will be required to sign a release. Those who are interested can contact Dr. Mic Hunter at 357 East Kellogg Blvd., St. Paul, MN 55101, USA or MHunt689@aol.com (Dr. Hunter has a book, "Abused Boys." /SLC)

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What is the WORST damage from abuse? QUOTE: "Whether the child told anyone, and if so, the person's response. Doubting, ignoring, blaming and shaming responses can be extremely damaging - in some cases even MORE than the abuse itself." http://www.jimhopper.com/male-ab/

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Thank You so much for the above link on male sexual abuse, as they say big things come in small packages, there is a wealth of info here...NP

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" All bullshit, call it silent bulls." *** the WTS is a beautiful place and any thing evil that happens is just a figment of our imaginations. nobody is ever abused they just imagine they are. the WTS is whiter than white and holy. how dare anyone think otherwise, you must be possessed by a demon to think so. the WTS is God's organization on earth, AND YOU ALL HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT OTHERWISE YOU'LL ALL DIE!!!! THE REICH WILL LAST FOR A THOUSAND YEARS!! WATCHTOWER, ZICH HAIL!! Rich

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A word to the wise... it doesn't take even half a brain to realize that this site is inhabited by APOSTATES who, like ESAU despise their spiritual heritage. Sure, terrible things might have happened to a handful of the people posting here (the rest are just in it for the Anti-JW mileage) but the real reason any of you are here is to cause dissent. What you people are doing is utterly despicable in the sight of J. God and you will not go unpunished. Remember the DEVIL is the one who seeks to turn people against the true god. Those who deliberately serve him IN OPPOSITION TO GOD are the most reprehensible of all. If there was a HELL, you'd burn in it. You are the most worthless human garbage on this planet, the scum of the earth. You are lower than dogs. [STFU&D]

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What is "lower than dogs" is YOU for coming on here and ok fine so you want to make a point that there are apostates and yes probably true there are some on this site but, there are however people who have been truly hurt and there congregation did not help them when they could have. I love Jehovah very much. Yes I am inactive but its because of people that claim to be such good witnesses who then go and do the things they have done to me and my mother. I saw from a very young age how apostates and two faced double life living witnesses COULD be. I know a lot of witnesses that are so loving strong and kind. I however was not raised by them. I was raised by so called witnesses that use the truth and the good people in Jehovah's service for there own self centered reasons. Furthermore, IF you were so worried then perhaps you should not be coming here to read what you disagree with and you should be out in service teaching people about Jehovah instead of in here trying to stop people from doing or saying what you have no control over. whether its the truthful ones or the liars sbnm

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I grew up in a congregation on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. The youngest of six brothers, I observe many time my older brothers doing things that were contrary to the JW teachings, including reading "male magazines" and being sexually involved with "sisters" in neighboring congregations. I was DF'd at age 14.5 for "disobedience to my parents" a crime punishable by death according to II Cor. Unfortunately for the Cong. Servant who hated by trying questions, the civil authorities wouldn't allow the stoning to take place. Several years later I found out three of my brothers, all in good standing were guilty of molesting their daughters. Only one was turned in to the police and he served ten years in prison, at the advice of the "elders" who counseled him not to participate in psychological counseling. The only option was to serve time. Neither he or the other brothers were ever disciplined for their abuse of their daughters. One of the sisters-in-law took here girls and move out only to be DF'd for it. Can you imagine, for protecting her children from a pedophile she is punished? The third sister-in-law followed the elders admonition to "let Jehovah deal with it". She is now in a mental institution, here daughters are pathetic in their varying states of mental anxiety, obesity and self delusion. All my brothers are still in positions of leadership, still go door to door and think Jehovah is a cool guy! I have had many years to reflect on the whole mess. I see the same stories repeated over and over again within the Witnesses and marvel at the total blind faith the rank and file have about this issue. It took me nearly 18 years to overcome my prejudices toward religion. Thank God I am now in a tolerant, law-abiding moral community of God fearing souls. I can only pray that each individual Witness will come to terms with reality before it destroys them. As to the organization, clearly their fruits expose their reality. Neither are they "of God" nor do they represent any channel to His grace or guidance. God Bless, Tod Jones

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I grew up in a congregation on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. The youngest of six brothers, I observed many times my older brothers doing things that were contrary to the JW teachings, including reading "male magazines" and being sexually involved with "sisters" in neighboring congregations. I was DF'd at age 14.5 for "disobedience to my parents" a crime punishable by death according to II Cor. Unfortunately for the Cong. Servant who hated my trying questions, the civil authorities wouldn't allow the stoning to take place. Several years later I found out three of my brothers, all in good standing were guilty of molesting their daughters. Only one was turned in to the police (not by the elders by by the girls) and he served ten years in prison. At the advice of the "elders" who counseled him not to participate in psychological counseling. The only option was to serve time. Neither he or the other brothers were ever disciplined for their abuse of their daughters. One of the sisters-in-law took her girls and moved out only to be DF'd for it. Can you imagine, for protecting her children from a pedophile she is punished? The third sister-in-law followed the elders admonition to "let Jehovah deal with it". She is now in a mental institution, her daughters are pathetic in their varying states of mental anxiety, obesity and self delusion. All my brothers are still in positions of leadership, still go door to door and think Jehovah is a cool guy! I have had many years to reflect on the whole mess. I see the same stories repeated over and over again within the Witnesses and marvel at the total blind faith the rank and file have about this issue. It took me nearly 18 years to overcome my prejudices toward religion. Thank God I am now in a tolerant, law-abiding moral community of God fearing souls. I can only pray that each individual Witness will come to terms with reality before it destroys them. As to the organization, clearly their fruits expose their reality. Neither are they "of God" nor do they represent any channel to His grace or guidance. God Bless, Tod Jones

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Todd Jones, thank you for telling your story. It's so sad, but I'm proud you had the strength and courage to share it with us. Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com

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If the watchtower changes its stance on abuse and conforms to your demands will you be happy? What issue will you then take up with the WTS? We all know this goes beyond your pseudo"cause" of helping abuse survivors. Your issues are actually issues of hate and revenge at the WTS and anybody who has ever offended you. They are easily unmasked by an objective reading of the undercurrent of hate filled rhetoric in your posts. Any fool can see this because there are far too many posts of completely unrelated crap! Who are the hypocrites? You use an issue such as abuse and the cover of caring, to exact revenge and implement an agenda that means much more to you than abuse issues. You will not rest until the WT is brought completely down. That's why I asked what will you do if the WTS changes its stance on abuse. Answer: You will find something else to gripe about because you could care less about solely helping abuse survivors, it has become personal and you are bent on one thing and one thing only making JW's look bad. That is why you are as much hypocrites as you say JW's are. The only ones in this room who I can honestly give any respect to for sticking to the issue is LINDA and JESIKA. They are the only ones not motivated by hate but by a real caring. They are not digging up the same old crap everybody else is, but are focused on the issue. Linda herself has tried to tell you guys this but you choose to ignore her in favor of exposing your own hypocrisy. Who's better than who?.........RJ

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RJ, thank you for your comments. I am not trying to toot my own horn here, but I feel it's very important that everyone remember that this site is for abuse victims. Those that want to bash, argue, nit-pick, questions and comments over various doctrinal matters...there is an appropriate discussion board just for that purpose. If some of you want to argue doctrine, meet me in the jw discussion board and let's get to it! But, please make sure you all take note of those who posts comments, email addresses etc that need our help. That is what we are here for, isn't it? Isn't it?! It saddens me to see that this guestbook has become the PERSONAL forum for a few, almost taking over the guestbook as though it's yours to do so. Let's be in contact with those who need our help, when no one helped us years ago. Linda Thoman

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RJ You are absolutely right! The abuse of children is only one aspect of the problem with the WT. We want it completely destroyed. Why? you are right. We hate it. For your information : I just received an application form to join the World wide Class Suit against the WT Society which needless to say I will join. All that were hurt or deceived by this ungodly organization in any way whatsoever are called upon to apply.The cost is 100.00 US per person.My advise is: DO NOT SUE FOR THOUSANDS BUT FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS US FUNDS you fully deserve the money. They hurt us more than any money can compensate!RMK

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Dear RJ, this is avishai & I haven't posted in months as I recently had a baby & then had surgery. One of my main soapboxes in the past has been not to argue doctrine as it detracts from the horror of sodomizing young children & the resultant cover ups. I have known many honorable individuals within the org. & don't hate them. My beliefs as to the validity of the org. are my own. However, I can assure you that this is not a "Red herring" to bring the wts down. Your right, the issue has nothing to do w/ doctrine. It has to do w/ large adults fucking small children. And, no, I will not soft pedal it by using words like molest. It's an ugly word, not nearly ugly enough to describe the act. I suspect that much of the "unrelated talk" as you put it is rationale & anger at having been fucked by these bastards. No, we're not talking about doctrine, we're talking about a CONTINUING cover up, collusion & accessories to child fucking. No doctrinal argument even comes close to how awful this is. Let me ask you something, RJ, doctrinally speaking. What happened over & over again in the bible who continued to follow wrong teaching or leadership, even if it came from the "rightful" king, judge, or priest in ancient israel? What the hell are you thinking, coming in here! Go sit in your tower, practice a christlike attitude, get some compassion, examine your heart. I could care less about whether someone is right about the 144,000, the blood issue etc., etc. if that person is, or is party to the fucking of babies. My god. You should be so ashamed of yourself, coming in here & judging these people. Would you go & offer the watchtower to someone burned & bleeding laying on the ground? Say, "you're bad, because your worldly?" No, you probably have at least that much sense. All of the rest of you who so pompously come in & judge the battered & bleeding from your "Pure ivory tower" THINK!!!!!Would jesus do that? What about the good samaritan? No, you're so full of hate & vitriol for those that were too small to defend themselves to see beyond your noses. Shame on all of you. Go read your bible, not wt publications, get raped or have your children get fucked & have it covered up, get told "We keep these things quiet" & then you can come tell me it's about doctrine

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the above by avishai@hotmail.com

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Avishai, I can fully understand your feelings about this. Lets not wrap the truth up in cotton wool and talk detachedly about "molesting" children, or "child abuse" because people are desensitized to these words. It is an hateful thing. Don't just talk as if it's words. *GET ANGRY* I am talking about *known* abusers, we do not judge them, they judge *themselves*, by their actions. Our creator has put in us a sense of justice. And never forget that god hates those who prey on innocent and defenseless children as much as we do. And he has equally as much contempt as we do for those claim to serve him while covering up abuse, whether they are the perpetrator or those who protect that one. These kind of persons will *not* go unpunished. Anyone deliberately or negligently covering up abuse is reprehensible, and carries a measure of bloodguilt for the lives destroyed, both physically and spiritually. Maybe you've heard it before, and it's a hard thing to believe in, but it will all come out in the wash. Believe that god can and will undo all the wrongs that have been done. All the more reason why all servants of god need to pull together and press on towards this goal - a world without abuse, without suffering... no more pain. (rev 21:3,4) The terrible things that god has allowed to happen among his people only highlight how far mankind has fallen, how much we have been dented by imperfection. Be assured that god can read the heart of each and every heart and those with bad motives or those who have been negligent in carrying out their christian duty will not escape punishment. When the end comes, there will be many surprises when it comes to who survives through it and who doesn't. Satan has roared and many of us have run for cover, but god sees our hearts and looks for each and every one. Satan is roaring now in the midst of the organization. The great tribulation is *now*. And one last thing, I just wanted to say to you: this isn't the way. Please, work towards the permanent solution to all these problems - not one child abused, ever again. Live for that day. Never let up in preaching to others about what god will soon do to wipe abusers and their supporters from the face of the earth. Don't focus on the organization, imperfect though it may be. Can you show me any other organization on earth where 6 million people are taking positive steps towards ending abuse and injustice forever? (jahismighty)

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RJ, who is "you"? RMK who is "we"? i want nothing to do with the sins of the GB, and i want nothing to do with those who want to destroy JWs. RJ when you ask will 'I', and not 'YOU', be happy when the WTS change their abuse policy, TOO RIGHT! will i go on to gripe about something else? well, if the society want to have any more policies that affect my conscience and make me feel ashamed to be known as a JW then, TOO RIGHT i will. Did Jesus not tell the scribes and the Pharisees exactly what they needed to hear, or did he sit back say nothing knowing they where gona be destroyed anyway? i would rather follow Jesus' example and stand up for what's right, rather than keeping quiet and sharing in the GB's sins. Rich

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" Wicked" Testimony.Church sex abuse case..http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-09-18-0036.html ..comment from trial attendee: . . . We found out last night that Mr. Walker actually worked hand in hand with head office and lived at bethel. He made it sound yesterday like he was just another elder from a neighbouring congregation. So he got mud on his face today. The Judge also read in the judicial committee letter that they asked my father if he was"getting his due". THe judge was curious as to what this meant. It was explained that it meant"they asked Vicki's mother if she was giving her husband enough sex" that perhaps that was why he had went to his daughter. She was shocked! I thought she was going to fall off her chair. Could you believe that they wrote that in their letter to the society, blame everyone else but the abuser. Sorry my spelling is bad, lack of a good education. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36857&site=3

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HEY, EVERYONE!!!!!!!!! Someone may have already thought of this...but just in case they hav'nt....HERE IS A GREAT IDEA! ALL THOSE OF US WHO WISH WE COULD BE PRESENT AT THE SILENTLAMBS MARCH IN BROOKLYN BUT CANNOT: ON THE SAME DAY, THE 27TH, WE CAN ALL, IN OUR OWN HOMETOWNS, GO TO THE LOCAL KINGDOM HALLS, AND LEAVE STUFFED LAMBS AT THE DOORS!!! THINK OF IT!!! STUFFED LAMBS AT KINGDOM HALLS ALL OVER THE WORLD ON SEPT. 27TH !!! WHAT SUPPORT OF THIS CAUSE, AND WHAT A STATEMENT AGAINST THIS WICKED INJUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!! IS ANYBODY GAME??? Love you all, Jan

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HEY JAN--------------Linda and I will be leaving lambs all over the metro in our area. Hope everyone does the same. Jesika Thoman

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Hey I have an even better idea....Why don't we get real lamb poop and leave it in front of the KH's. We can stick a little sign in it that says "this is real lamb poop and it stinks just like your abuse policies"

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New information re state-by-state statutes of limitation related to sexual abuse at www.lovenorrisattorneys.com (click on Jehovah's Witness Abuse) Kimberlee D. Norris attorney-at-law kdnorris@airmail.net 817.335.2800

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Jan, Jesika and I and two others will be spending the afternoon of Sept. 27th placing over 50 lambs all over town. The lamb I have had in my car will be placed at the K.H. of my family. A smaller one that I have hanging on my rearview mirror is special....it will be delivered to the Elder who called to inform me I am/was df'd (in '95), along with a little note making sure he knows it was from me! This Sunday, we will also be plastering the area with Silentlamb flyers at a very busy intersection! I can hardly wait! Linda Thoman

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no i'm not going to post:::AVISHAI said WHAT i think all reasonable ones HERE ARE TALKING ABOUT..... THANX AVASHIA.....JOHN

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JANISMIGHTY;;; DON,T YOU HAVE A BOOKSTUDY tonight..hoqw dare you come here and tell all . the wt is god,s people??????that was the biggest line of crap i have ever read here. you need a labotomie..john

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To Rich. "We" are all those that know the WT.We are all interested in the DEATH of this organization just like God our heavenly Father is. How more plain one can be?rmk.

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to john, the "spelling retard". Your arguments make as much sense as your grammar. Why aren't you in school, little boy ?

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Has any one counted how many times you here the word satan the devil when ever you get around a group of JW's ,Its almost as if there worshiping him,I once commented to my Mother, mom why do you talk about satan so much, it's almost as if you think he has more power than God, It's always ,Satan does this,Satan is causing that, I told her I won't even give him the power in my house by talking about him, I believe in (Jehovah) or God as I choose to call him and would appreciate it if you would not keep speaking of Satan as if he were more powerful than Jehovah, You know That was 15 years ago and I haven't heard her mention him again...NP

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RMK: when you say "WE", you don't speak for me, even though i know that these court cases will more than likely be the downfall of the WT organisation. Rich

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Australia News Magazine this Sunday...Excerpt from website: .. Silent Witnesses . . September 22, 2002 .. . Reporter :Graham Davis .. . The Catholic and Anglican churches in Australia are already engulfed in the scandal of child abuse, with mounting evidence that they have covered up sexual assaults by members of the clergy and allowed paedophiles to continue preying on young victims, often for years. This week, we reveal another church has been routinely covering up cases of child abuse in its ranks. Sunday has managed to get inside the highly secretive Jehovah's Witnesses, who have some 60,000 adherents in Australia, and found the Church has secretly pursued a policy of obstructing police investigations into child abusers. Some Church elders believe that, since the rest of us live in a world run by Satan, they have a divine right even to lie in court. Child abuse victims tell for the first time how they were told not to take their complaints to the police. In one case, the same paedophile molested up to 40 children, but still the Jehovah's Witnesses did nothing ... http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1149.asp .. .(will be 45 min show-transcript will be online after the show)

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SILENT WITNESSES -- TV PROGRAM ON CHILD ABUSE AMONG JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN AUSTRALIA ----SUNDAY SEPT. 22nd, 2002.------- Silent Witnesses September 22, 2002 Reporter :Graham Davis The Catholic and Anglican churches in Australia are already engulfed in the scandal of child abuse, with mounting evidence that they have covered up sexual assaults by members of the clergy and allowed paedophiles to continue preying on young victims, often for years. This week, we reveal another church has been routinely covering up cases of child abuse in its ranks. Sunday has managed to get inside the highly secretive Jehovah's Witnesses, who have some 60,000 adherents in Australia, and found the Church has secretly pursued a policy of obstructing police investigations into child abusers. Some Church elders believe that, since the rest of us live in a world run by Satan, they have a divine right even to lie in court. Child abuse victims tell for the first time how they were told not to take their complaints to the police. In one case, the same paedophile molested up to 40 children, but still the Jehovah's Witnesses did nothing ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The full transcript will; be up on this site, after the show goes to air. http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1149.asp Don't forget, this Sunday at 9am AEST.--------- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36971&site=3

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This has shocked us rigid. We were members of the Watchtower for 19 years and saw thru the untruths they taught but never in our wildest imaginations did we suspect this. It is shocking and your web site is excellent and at least molested ones can come here and report their ordeals. Elaine and Rick Bremner of South Africa. Email: Tahini@mweb.co.za

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PICTURES!!! http://community.webshots.com/album/50572789tygXYY

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AUSSIES!!! & ANYONE WITH SATELLITE TV! THIS SUNDAY: If you can pick up Australian TV... THIS SUNDAY, September 22, 2002, at 9 AM, AEST, on Australia's Major Network, CHANNEL 9, the show "Sunday" (which is Australia's investigative reporting show similar to the USA's Dateline and the BBC's Panorama): The "Sunday" program runs from 9-11 AM, and same time throughout Australia. The segment on the SILENT WITNESSES will be about 40-45 minutes, but we are not sure what time that portion will begin. The information comes from interviews with former WTS directors, Bethelites and insiders, along with victims. ----- Q RE: VCR Tapes: The video can be ordered, hopefully AU use the standard VHS format? Australia uses the PAL 625 line format, which is different to the American NTSC system, so there might be a problem here. ----- For those with Austar, the Sunday programme is shown on Sunday afternoon on the Sky News channel. ----- A firewire card and a Dazzle Analog/DV to Firewire bridge get's you broadcast quality. :) ----- PS: MELBOURNE TIME is 14 hours LATER than EASTERN TIME/USA. ----- The full transcript will be up on this site, after the show goes to air: http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1149.asp ----- Silent Witnesses September 22, 2002 - Reporter :Graham Davis - QUOTE: The Catholic and Anglican churches in Australia are already engulfed in the scandal of child abuse, with mounting evidence that they have covered up sexual assaults by members of the clergy and allowed paedophiles to continue preying on young victims, often for years. This week, we reveal another church has been routinely covering up cases of child abuse in its ranks. Sunday has managed to get inside the highly secretive Jehovah's Witnesses, who have some 60,000 adherents in Australia, and found the Church has secretly pursued a policy of obstructing police investigations into child abusers. Some Church elders believe that, since the rest of us live in a world run by Satan, they have a divine right even to lie in court. Child abuse victims tell for the first time how they were told not to take their complaints to the police. In one case, the same paedophile molested up to 40 children, but still the Jehovah's Witnesses did nothing ... END QUOTE.

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You Are Invited to a silentlambs March in Brooklyn New York! --- On September 27th 2002, we are asking for survivors and supporters of those who have suffered abuse within the Jehovah's Witness community come together for a peaceful march in Brooklyn New York. --- WHY ATTEND? At silentlambs we care about children, in addition, we wish to let abuse survivors know that are not alone and have our support. This will be a united statement to the Watchtower organization that they must change policy to protect our children. Also, if you can serve as an eye-witness it is another way to take a stand for righteousness in behalf of all silentlambs. --- WHO MAY COME? EVERYONE! At silentlambs we practice “don't ask don't tell” when we gather for important events. We do not care if you are DF, DA, or what you may personally hold as belief. We ask that all simply support those who were abused as Jehovah's Witnesses without prejudice as to standing in the organization. If you plan to attend please email and let us know how many are in your group to help us to know beforehand how large a group will be there so we may plan accordingly. --- WHERE: The march will start on the west side of Pierrepont Place and Columbia Heights at the park, see map enclosed, we will then walk about seven blocks to our destination 25 Columbia Heights. --- WHAT WILL WE DO? We are going to have a police escort all the way to the front door of 25 Columbia Heights . All permits have been obtained. Plan to be at Pierrepont Place and Columbia Heights at around on 12:30 PM on the 27thof September, 2002. We will proceed in an orderly fashion to 25 Columbia Heights . This march is not about anger, it is not about other issues you may be upset about, it is about protecting children and supporting abuse survivors. I prefer that all banners and posters support this theme. We are united for one cause. Some have stated they wish to express other agendas at the march, I feel this is not appropriate. What if you were an active witness whose child had been molested, would it be fair to them to express views that may be offensive? To reach out to all and keep the focus we have to be neutral on doctrinal issues. Silentlambs is about support of ALL, not any certain side of doctrinal issues. --- Dress however you wish, wear comfortable walking shoes, casual clothing will be fine. Be sure to bring rain protection just in case, cheap ponchos are about $1 at Walmart. Be aware it could be cooler in this time of the year. We will have t-shirts available when you get there. --- When we arrive at 25 Columbia Heights, we will first have a program in which abuse survivors will be asked to make a brief 60 second comment for whoever wants to speak. I will introduce different ones after the opening comments. We will then request a meeting with the Governing Body as outlined in my June 2002 letter. If the Governing Body refuses to meet we will then deliver the lambs to them as a reminder of who they are hurting by not meeting. Anyone who cannot make the trip can send a lamb along with a friend. We will then conclude with closing comments by those who wish to speak and I will conclude the program. Afterwards for those who can we would like to meet for dinner at a location nearby. This will be announced when we get there. --- Be aware New York has strict ordinances when it comes to signs and posters. No sticks or hard supports structures are allowed. You can use cardboard tubing or similar materials to hold up your posters. I was thinking of making posters when we arrive and having materials available to do so. We can start about 12:30 for those who would like to assist at Pierrepont Place and Columbia Heights at the park. Bring stuffed lambs for abuse survivors who cannot be there. We will deliver them to Bethel when we arrive, if you wish to send a lamb contact me for assistance in doing so. --- EYE WITNESSES: If you wish to serve as an eye-witness regarding how the Governing Body has allowed Watchtower Policy to hurt children, you are invited to come forward. Whatever your status regarding the organization you have the right to serve as an eye-witness. Please bring any written documentation such as Watchtower correspondence along with your first hand experience of what happened to your or your family when abuse problems arose. Please be willing to explain how you were hurt by Watchtower Policy. ----- Ya'll Come Now, Ya Hear??? /SLC!

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WT-CANADA KNEW SINCE 1988 BOE LETTERS to REPORT ABUSE ASAP! How come USA didn't get such letters back in 1988? ----- From SIlentlambs: How long has it been since WT knew the proper way to handle child molestation? To date the thought brought forward was when research was done in 1992 about molestation the Governing body was then informed and refused to make proper directives in the interest of protecting children. Well it appears that is no longer the case with the recent discovery of a 1988 letter to all bodies of elders on Canada. The letter which was authorized by Watchtower Legal Department shows the home office knew exactly how to handle abuse properly in the congregation. Read this letter and ask yourself, how many children were raped due to this policy not being enacted in the USA? Was the Governing Body guilty of weakness or wickedness? ignorance or evil? Regards, Bill +++++++++++ WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF CANADA Box/C,P, 4100, Halton Hill: (Georgetown), Ontario, Canada L7G 04 Telephone: (418) 873-4100 +++++ LB:LSB July 29, 1988 ++++++ TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN CANADA - CONFIDENTIAL ----- Dear Brothers: Awake! has drawn to our attention the problem of sexual molestation of children (see January 22, 1985, pp. 3-10). It was appropriately described as a "growing horror." This is further evidence of the depravity of many in the world around us.-Rom. 1:20. --- These situations are rare, and we are glad that most of you will never encounter the problem. However, recognizing that such may come to your notice in your role as spiritual shepherds, we want to advise you of a legal responsibility that is now placed on ministers who learn of such abuse. --- Provincial law in all provinces of Canada requires that child abuse be reported to child welfare officials so that immediate steps can be taken to protect the children. Jehovah's Witnesses certainly support the objective of protecting children. --- The difficulty is to balance between your obligation to report such matters and your congregational duty to maintain confidentiality. We have asked our Legal Desk for some comment, and the following legal opinion is passed on to you: --- When to report? There is a duty to report when one has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that there is abuse or a substantial risk of abuse and parents have failed to protect the child. The report shall be mane forthwith to the local child welfare authorities. Sexual offenders are notorious repeaters. Therefore, careful investigation should be undertaken to ensure that no other children are at risk from the same person. --- Who must report? Most provinces place the duty on "any person." There is no statutory provision for an ecclesiastical privilege. Generally, one cannot be sued if he reports in good faith. A minister cannot ignore this obligation. He would be subject to prosecution, fines, and imprisonment if he did so. --- TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN CANADA July 29, 1988 Page 2 --- Does a minister have an alternative? Yes. A minister could make definite arrangements for someone else to report. --- For example, family members should be encouraged to discuss the abuse with a family physician. He can arrange for therapy from a suitable mental health professional. Then either the family or the physician could report the matter. The abuser himself could report it and is well advised to do so. This will usually result in assistance being provided, and officials are always more sympathetic to an abuser who seeks help. --- Elders must be aware, however, that once they have knowledge, they have an obligation. They cannot just hope that someone else will report. They must follow through quickly and be sure that it is done. Once it is reported, either by them or by someone else, they have discharged the obligation. --- Are there other considerations? Yes. If the abuser lives in the same home as the children, it is best for the offender to voluntarily leave the home, even temporarily. Otherwise, the child welfare authorities will likely remove the children from both parents. These authorities could conclude that the non-abusive parent has also failed to sufficiently protect the child. Such a decision, of course, rests with the family, but the advantages are obvious. --- Is the law identical in every province? No, there are variations. If you encounter difficulties in discharging your obligation, contact the branch office of the Society in Georgetown. --- Should records be kept? It is important that you document carefully everything that happened, including names, dates, and times; and keep it in the confidential records of the congregation in a sealed envelope. --- TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN CANADA July 29, 1988 Page 3 . --- Checklist The following checklist will give you a brief summary of the steps you should follow in handling this problem: --- 1. Read page I of this letter under subheading "When to Report," and determine if there has been sexual abuse that must be reported. --- 2. Advise parent to take immediate steps to protect the abused child, i.e., abuser not remain in the same home as victimized child and all access between abuser and children should be strictly supervised. --- 3. Recommend family take victim to family physician immediately. Recommend abuser or family seek physician's or psychologist's assistance. Doctor will have duty to report. --- 4. Promptly follow up with family and/or physician, psychologist, etc., to make certain abuse was reported. --- 5. Make written memorandum of steps taken to report abuse, and keep it in a confidential congregation file in a sealed envelop. --- We appreciate very much your work in handling such problems. The brothers and sisters benefit by your service in both keeping congregation clean and providing help to erring ones. We pray that Jehovah may continue to support and bless your faithful ministry. Accept this expression of our Christian love and best wishes. --- Your brothers, WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY Of CANADA

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You have an informative site about the J.witness cult! List of clergy crimes: http://community.webtv.net/cyberministry/Articles

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20 Sep 2002
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I thought the latest Watchtower had an interesting topic on Apologizing. Seems as though they should practice what they preach!

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Rich. I never met you and probably never will. If you want to sympathize with the WT that makes you unacceptable company for those that KNOW this organization. Even if all those that I consider "WE" go back to WT Jehovah I would still be against the existence of this ungodly group.And never presumed on you being in my "we" company. Please kindly save your comments. I am tired.rmk

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O.k,John, this is avishai here again. I can handle my own responses, thank you, I've torn people a new one & stuffed the old one in it on this guest book more than once, when it was deserved. jahismighty may be misguided, in your opinion, but is not being an apologist for their coverups, which is what matters. O.k, jahismighty, thank you for your kind words. I appreciate your reasoning w/ me & attempting to start dialogue, rather than reacting. Doctrine or not, I want you to think about what happened to "gods people" every time they followed a precedent of gods own priests, kings, etc., that their heart told them was wrong. There were 3,000 israelites killed due to the golden calf incident, not all of whom bowed down. Some just didn't speak up. What about all the innocent kids who had to wander in the desert for forty years just because their parents were whiners? The poor boys had to get circumcised as adults because of that, too! Next case in point, Eli, father of Hophni & Phineas. His kids were a couple of pervs, & he was indulgent, let them do what they want. There was even a drama about this in the 80's, & the jw's use this story as a reason to remove elders & ms's who can't keep their houses in "order". Eli was Samuel's teacher, who was one of the bibles most revered prophets. Yet what happened to good old Eli? Yup, Jehovah made him take the good old dirt nap! Witnesses main spiel is to tell others that their religion is wrong, & that god says to make sure of all things. And yet, they are forbidden this self examination. Defense of a corrupt religion is no virtue. It never has been. Neither is mere complacency in the face of corruption. If you believe that you have the truth, & that what is happening is wrong, the bible, wt publications in support of the bible & human decency DEMAND that the least you can do is speak up, shout it from the hills. To do otherwise is lethal, in Gods eyes. "Waiting on Jehovah" does not apply. So, in conclusion, my brother jahismighty, I have to tell you, if & when armageddon comes, there will be very few surprises for me of who gets through. I, for one refuse to lay down for satan's twisted pharisees. And if you'll recall, until the second Jesus died, the pharisees were the equivalent of elders today, they were the mature men of the cong. With love, Avishai. avishai@hotmail.com

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RMK: since you've appointed yourself as the spokesman for those that want the JW org destroyed, i'll appoint myself as spokesman for those who want change in policies. you don't have the power to destroy, God does and he's made/making it happen. every time i see a comment from you for "WE want to see the WTS destroyed", there'll be my posting afterwards saying "WE want the WTS policies changed". where on this website can you quote Bill saying he wants the WTS destroyed????? i know this WTS, i'd rather not have you speak for me in this regard. save your narrow minded comments yourself. Rich

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Rich. let me tell you one thing: very few on this site are in favour of the WT Society. The WT is a very dangerous secret Society that is in the business to make money and mislead humans regarding God. Vast majority of us (as I can see it) we can't stand even the smell of the WT and are deeply ashamed that we were ever associated with this Organization. I sympathize with you that you are tactical and want to be moderate in your expressions. That is good for you and perhaps I should be more careful how I speak. But I said what I said and what I said is true. Therefore I can't take it back or do otherwise. You seam to lack the knowledge ( i think though you will get there ) necessary to see the naked truth about the WT and sim. organizations. You are entitled to stick to your ways and opinions. I don't mind.You do not have to agree with me on anything at all and I would never even attempt to try to convince you to do so. There are millions who do not agree with me out there. So what? It is assumed here that this is a site for those who suffered at the hands of the WT Society and NOT for Jehovah's Witnesses that argue their " rightness" to serve Jehovah God ( the Borg )the WT way. According your organization you are prohibited to be on this site (that constitutes a disfellowshipping act but you are here and argue!) and we tolerate you here hoping that you will learn enough from us to quit them and save yourself and your loved ones. If you are serious you should look at things without prejudice and decide what you want. I certainly pray for that kind of outcome for you. I have better things to do than argue with you about words. If your dignity was offended I apologize. Please forgive me but most of JEH. Witnesses here want to argue and discourage those that know this satanic Society the WT. Do not try to brainwash anybody here. We do not want your teaching.We went through all that stinking garbage in the organization and want everyone to know who the WT is so they could prevent the harm that would happen to them. That harm can't be ignored or forgotten. You can see that right here. (Unfortunately.) I agree with what Mr Bowen is doing but I am not his worshipper and am ready to disagree with him anytime that is needed.So far I can easily discern in him deep knowledge about the WT and I am pretty sure he knows the great danger this Org.presents to all humans on the Earth. Wisely he attacked one of the problems at this time. Others like him are handling other problems and hopefully all will bring success because the Lord Jesus Christ is behind this all. I hope you will take my words the way intended and in no way to offend you. rmk rmk

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ANY ONE IN MONTANA??? --- Posted by SilentLambs: Sex Scandal in Montana Sep 21, 2002 12:22 ----------- It has been brought to my attention that there may be a major scandal working in the Billings Montana area. It involves more than ten elders in a motel room at the District Convention this summer and 14-16 year old girls. My information source says there is more to come with possible charges being filed, but key JW's work for social services there and are involved in the investigation. If anyone knows anything about this please contact me or if you know any of the victims please direct them to silentlambs. silentlambs (victims call 1-877-WT-ABUSE; others please email info@silentlambs.org) http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37055&page=1&site=3#501583

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TUCSON, ARIZONA, MARCH FRIDAY 9-27-02: WHEN: 10:00am & 11:00 am. --- WHERE: 1. 207 W. Flores @ 10:00 am --- 2. 1701 E. Miles @ 11:00 am --- WHO: Event coordinator: John B. Brown --- Directions: --- 10:00 am @ 207 W. Flores St. From Downtown (85701) go So. on Stone. Turn left on E. 15th St. Turn left on S. 6th Ave & continue on N. 6th Ave. Turn left on E. Adams St & continue on W. Adams St. Turn right on N. 10th St & continue to W. Flores St ----- 11:00 am @ 1701 E. Miles From W. Flores turn right on N. Stone Ave. Turn left on E. Speedway Blvd. Turn right on N. Campbell Ave & continue on S. Kino Pky. Turn right on E. Miles St. ----- This is a continuation of the first public event ever for child rape victims of Jehovah's Witnesses. According to William H. Bowen founder of Silentlambs, We allege that Watchtower has established a child abuse policy that has ignored abuse survivors, protected child molesters and disfellowshipped those who have tried to support them. This will be a public statement that leadership for Jehovah s Witnesses (Governing Body) must stop hurting children. Silentlambs is formerly requesting the church to establish a tribunal to prosecute the Governing Body for their crimes against children. ----- Contact: John B. Brown at 400-0650 --- www.silentlambs.org, William H. Bowen. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37046&site=3

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ALSO ONE IN WINNIPEG: Go here for the person's name/email address: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37046&site=3

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LINDA AND JESIKA, YOU GO GIRLS!!!!!!!!! MY MOM AND I WILL TAKE CARE OF OUR AREA!! LOOK OUT WORLD, HERE COME THE SHEPHERDS WITH THIER STUFFED FLOCKS!!!!LOVE, JAN-"JIPSY" MEADOWS

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Rich you hAVE THE right idea that you are against how the wt haNDLES MOLESTERS. but you need to see RMK doesn't want jw's killed he wants the wt mind control stopped!!!! the only way to do it is to stop the leaders of the wt from poisoning jw's minds with their weekly bullshit on how the jesus is leading the wt... do you truly think jesus would send lawyers to court to protect child molesters??? jesus could not be supporting this org. the wt lies weekly about their history ...you know what i'm talking about. it sounds like you have talked to some elders and they bullshitted you. come on RICH your too smart to be suckered i know there a lot of good people in your cong. but you know they are being lied too by the wt. leave rmk alone ,, if you were screwed by the wt like he was ,you would feel the same way...john

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CHEAP FLIGHTS TO NEW YORK FOR THE MARCH!!! If any one is still "sitting on the fence" trying to decide if they can make it to New York this Friday, 9-27-02, for the Silentlambs March on Brooklyn World Headquarters, here's some info that might entice you to "go for it." ----------------------------------------------------------------- SPIRIT AIRLINES - SYBER-SPECIALS FOR FLIGHTS THROUGH 9-30-02! YOU MUST ORDER YOUR TICKET ONLINE BY SUNDAY NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT, 9-22-02!! http://www.spiritair.com/syberspecials/welcome.cfm?Language=English Hurry! These Syber Special Fares are available for purchase from September 19 EST/EDT through midnight September 22 EST/EDT. Syber Special Fares may be combined with any of the other low fares offered by Spirit Airlines. Syber Specials are available for travel between September 21 and September 30, 2002 on selected dates on selected flights and are only available online. --- Select a Departing & Arriving City from this list: Atlantic City --- Chicago/O'Hare --- Denver --- Detroit --- Fort Lauderdale --- Fort Myers --- Las Vegas --- Los Angeles --- Myrtle Beach --- New York/LaGuardia --- Oakland/San Francisco Bay area --- Orlando --- San Juan Puerto Rico --- Tampa --- West Palm Beach ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: As an example, the ORLANDO (MCO airport code) to LaGUARDIA (LGA airport code) is only $98 ROUND TRIP plus tax, total $115. The prices may be higher for cities farther away from NY/LGA. Granted, the flight TIMES are not that great, rather early or rather late, but, hey, a buck saved is a buck spent on a Silentlambs coffee mug or bumper sticker! ----------------------------------------------------------------- More to follow...

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PAN AM HOTEL near LaGuardia (which was on the silentlambs HOTEL list, and where several silentlambs supporters will be staying, from what I understand): SPIRIT AIRLINES also has a HOTEL DISCOUNT & BOOKING SECTION: http://www.hoteldiscounts.com/html/spiritair.html Their price for PAN AM is showing $89.95 for the night of 9/26 and 9/27. And $99.95 for 9/28 and 9/29. In comparison, the silentlambs Hotel list showed a flat rate of $119. for Pan Am. FYI...

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Another "cheap" deal from SPIRIT AIRLINES is this Hotel: --- HOLIDAY INN NEWARK AIRPORT, 160 Frontage Road, Newark,NJ07114, @ Newark Airport --- For questions or to make a reservation call us at 1-800-360-7081 --- $65.95 + 12% tax $7.91 = $73.86 per night for 3 nights: Thu. 9/26, 9/27, 9/28 --- -Cancellation Policy: 6 pm --- -Check In Time - 11:00 AM --- -Check Out Time - 01:00 PM --- -Hotel Tax Rate - 12% --- -Saturday Night Arrival --- FROM LaGUARDIA to THIS HOTEL: 10.1 miles; 14.0 minutes driving time; MAP here: http://yp.bellsouth.com/yp/ --- The Holiday Inn North is a first-class hotel... Ideally located adjacent to the New Jersey super highway network ... only 20 minutes from downtown Manhattan... Area Attractions -New York City 10 Miles --- Don't forget CAB FARE! -----------------------------------------------------------------More to follow...

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MORE TRAVEL DEALS!!!! If there will be TWO of you traveling together, there are some pretty good "LAST MINUTE WEEKEND GET-AWAY" PACKAGE DEALS being offered to NEW YORK CITY & VICINITY at various sites (www.cheaptickets.com, orbitz, travelocity, etc. but I am herein presenting info from www.cheaptickets.com, though all of those three sites mentioned are offering the SAME PACKAGE DEALS to NY, so use the site of your choice). The departure date is next Thursday, 9-26-02, and then you can choose your Return date beginning with Sunday, 9-29-02, or thereafter. The package includes FLIGHT & HOTEL FOR TWO, so you split the cost. And from what I can see, this almost looks more economical than buying separate flight tickets and separate hotel rooms. Of course that is IF you can STAY for the 3-day-Minimum (Thursday-Sunday), and if there are at least TWO of you who want to travel on ONE package deal. --------------------------------------------- Details to follow...

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" LAST MINUTE WEEKEND GET-AWAY" PACKAGE DEALS to NEW YORK CITY & VICINITY --- START HERE: http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/ --- Home page for cheaptickets.com: http://new.cheaptickets.com/trs/cheaptickets/home/index_01.xsl --- Customer service: #1.888.922.8849- Open 24/7 Located in Englewood, CO. --- Online Form to Email them: http://new.cheaptickets.com/trs/cheaptickets/content/customer_service/cs_email.xsl --- Main Page to start a search for a 3-day weekend deal: http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/ ------------------------------------------- More Details to Follow.... Stay Tuned....

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http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/ ----- There are FOUR "STYLES" of package deals to NEW YORK CITY & VICINITY -- and here's the FIRST ONE ----- New York VICINITY, NY - Cosmopolitan Osmosis --- It makes sense that NYC's surrounding areas have absorbed a great deal of New York's splendor. Includes flight & hotel (NOTE: This was the most economical deal, at least originating from MY area. Pricing may be different if you are coming from other areas of the country. It listed several hotels, 3 in Stamford, 1 in Greenwich, 1 in Newark, and 1 in Whippany, NJ, and the JFK Sheraton near JFK Airport. Prices WITH flight and hotel for 3 nights ranged from $344 to $534 PER PERSON from my area.) ------------------- The second one is coming up next...

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http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/ There are FOUR "STYLES" of package deals to NEW YORK CITY & VICINITY --- and here's the SECOND ONE... ----- New York, NY - Autumn in New York City ----- Unearth New York City's autumnal cornucopia of culture and recreation. Includes flight & hotel. (NOTE: There are about 26 hotels listed to choose from, and they were on Manhattan Island for the most part; hence these deals were a little more pricey, from approx. $435 and WAY UP, PER PERSON, for 3 nights hotel AND flight, from MY area, your's may be different.) ----- Two more to go....

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21 Sep 2002
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http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/ ----- There are FOUR "STYLES" of package deals to NEW YORK CITY & VICINITY, and here's the THIRD one... ----- New York, NY- Gotham Savoir Faire --- Cut a figure in New York society this weekend. Includes flight & luxury hotel (NOTE: I did not research this section at all because it says "luxury hotel," so I figured the prices would even be higher.)

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http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/ ----- There are FOUR "STYLES" of package deals to NEW YORK CITY & VICINITY, and here's the FOURTH one... ----- Central New Jersey, NJ (via New York) It's Not What You Think --- Forget Bon Jovi, teased hair and suped-up Cameros. The central part of this state is as bucolic, cultured and historic as New England. Includes flight & hotel. (NOTE: I did look at some of these hotels but they seem to be getting pretty far "out there" away from where we need to be in NEW YORK. The cab fare would be a killer, but the hotel prices were LESS, of course.) ----------- FAQs coming up next...

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FAQs: http://cheaptickets2.lmdeals.com/faq.html Can I book a package for two people departing from different cities (and meeting at our destination)? --- Currently, our technology does not allow the purchase of a package for travelers who have different origination cities, so the best way for two people to travel from two different cities to the same destination is to look for two different types of packages- one package for each traveler. --- The first package is a flight & hotel package, which the first of the two travelers would purchase as a solo traveler. The full cost of the hotel room will appear in this package. --- The second package, purchased by the second traveler, is a flight plus package, such as our Fly & Drive option, which includes a flight and rental car. This second package does not include hotel, but would include the full price of the car. --- Both travelers together will pay no more this way than if they bought one package that included the flight for two, the hotel room and the car, though distribution of this cost may not be even. We leave the fair division of your travel costs up to you.

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ALL OF THAT ABOVE TRAVEL INFO can be seen in ONE PAGE here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37082&page=1&site=3#501724>

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i told you you can get a $99 flight to new york so i will look forward to seeing you at the march. i'm sure we will all go for a meal and celebration after, i'll bring my truck license etc. as proof...see you soon ..john

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RMK: thanks for your post. i absolutely agree that few on this site are in favor of the WTS continually existing. i know you want to see the WTS finished, and i really don have a problem with that. you're a reasonable person so i just wanted you just to think about the way you reply to people like RJ. the more the agenda for destroying the WT is pushed onto people like him the worse it is for us to get them to see what's on this site is true, i'm sure you can understand that. you and i know how highly strung these JW die hards are and we should be patient with them. i think RJ may have come to this site because deep down inside he feels there's some truth in all this, but to see people here talking so belligerently shuts his open mind down. my freeness in Christ and my conscience allows me to be here, if i get kicked out for it then, so what? you know that i haven't tried to brainwash anyone here with my posts and i wouldn't at all. your wish i believe will come true. the WT has become an obstacle between Christ and his followers, and its an obstacle that needs removing. i'm not offended by what you say, just don't want people like RJ thinking i think the way you do. i've read just about everything i can find on the net, if you think you know of anything i may have not been able to read on the net let me know by sending me an email to thereflex84@hotmail.com. all the best to you, RICH

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John: don't worry mate, I'm not having a go at rmk for his agenda, all I'm trying to get across is what i mentioned in my previous post to him. I'm sure he doesn't want JWs killed. i've not been spoken to by anyone. I'm sure rmk has every reason to feel the way he does, I'm not taking that away from him. don't over react mate. you really don't trust me do you? :-) Rich

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22 Sep 2002
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Rich ;i see you...i'll admit i sometimes worry about you... i'm aware of what you know about the wt .people like noname rj are here because they are afraid of the wt.. when someone hits the right button on some of these jwd,s the light will truly wake them up.the girls here are great, in how they can talk and help the victims, some here like me don,t really have that ability. i yell a lot but i don't lie...i just had a big fight with my pop ....i caught him in 10-20 lies ...every time he tried to change the subject. because he couldn't factually or from the bible answer the questions. he wasn't even able to answer the questions he gave..he left an hour early for the study with his foot in his mouth!!!!! i just keep pounding away day after day . you name the topic i'll pound away. my new one is when you go into the field serv. are you honest with their interested ones and tell them straight out the hundreds of false prophecies of the wt past. about the molesters,U.N ,WALLSTREET, ETC. if we all tell what we know on this site... it has the potential to catch some jw's inner questions . each person has something different that will wake them up...jw's don't come here if they don't have questions .. good day mate....john

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RMK AND RICH ;;do you guys go to www.jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/???? think yall would like it...even rj should check it out....john

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22 Sep 2002
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You can fly to New York from Dallas for $320.00 round trip http://www.orbitz.com/

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You must read the 9/22/02 Australian news report on Jehovah's Witness: http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sunday_channel9.htm . . . .Transcript from Slovenia expose;http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37154&site=3 .. Other news stories http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37144&site=3 . . . . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37158&site=3 . . . Will be more Australian Stories tomorrow.

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thank you for creating this web address. I'm glad there are stronger ones than me, that can speak up and tell their story. please send me information and stories rinada01@yahoo.com

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What a load of crap! Don't blame the society for you being molested. Blame the person doing it or your parents for not stopping it. Then get on with your life

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I just wanted to say thank you to silentlambs for the new Bible study. Over the weekend I was in the door to door ministry and a lady questioned me about the story (story in the fictional sense) that she saw on Connie Chang. She said that she has known a few JW's over the years and this just seemed out of character. After getting a chance to explain things she said that she told her husband that she felt this was a social problem that affects all religion but that she was impressed with our zeal so she decided to talk to us. One question led to another and to make a long story short she attended the meeting on Sunday and set up a Bible study for this coming week. Isn't that exciting news? So again I thank the silentlambs for helping us gain newly interested ones. Your movement (which can be compared to a bowel movement) only serves to weed out the "undesirables" and draw intelligent ones who choose not to listen to your bunk and listen to the truth. Thanks again! Meow...RJ

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I would like to be added to your mailing list. Thank you. Dina N. Beswick-victim/survivor dnb@cblhlaw.com (formerly dbeswick@hewm.com)

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23 Sep 2002
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Dina, to be added to Bill's email list, go his home page and click on Add Me To Email. Linda Thoman

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Hey all! Me, "Elsewhere", Jesika and her sister spent about four hours today at a busy intersection (the same intersection where Jesika did the press conference, right in front of the K.H.!) and passed out flyers to everyone at the light! Man, those Dubs were sooooo mad!!!! hahahahahahaha It was great!!!! Elders were patrolling the parking lot, watching us, a couple of them knocked down our signs we had planted in the ground too! hahahahaha We had people complimenting us on what we were doing, thanking US for doing it!!! One couple that I approached had just pulled out of the K.H., but since I ain't askeeeeered, I offered them one, and they took it! I simply said Thank you, and the lady said "No, thank YOU"! Wow!!!!! Another lady told me she knew of a dub pedophile that lives right in that same neighborhood! It was awesome! The responses we got! I'm sure Jesika and Elsewhere will comment on it too, and Elsewhere took pics!!!! It was a blast!!!!! Just wait till next Friday when we lamb-bast the K.H.'s with 50 lambs all over town! My cd player will be cranked up loud, windows rolled down, and my car will be rockin and boomin!!!! Whooohoooooooo! Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com

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Ooops, I meant for the just posted comment to say Yesterday (Sunday) was when Jesika and I and the others handed out flyers. Sorry, typo! Linda Thoman

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RJ: If I had never watched Connie Chung, heard about Silentlambs, watched Dateline or Panorama, I would still know personally 7 children of three different families & congregations who were molested and the molester remained in "good standing." **************I have a brother who is one of the "sweetest" men you would ever want to meet, but he supports my other brother who molested my children. I had to come to the conclusion that my sweet brother lacks deep character when it comes to difficult dissections.************You are not very kind to come here to " gloat" but show a completive attitude which isn't christ-like. Jesus had compassion for those with a broken spirit- and that is the "truth." Jesus also hated the Pharisees because they were legalistic and lacked compassion, and that is the "truth." You are mean-spirited in defending your "selected truths; you may win over a stranger at a door, but your brothers/sisters who have been devastated by molestation you abandoned. ************my father use to say "meow" when we were being "catty" - which isn't christ-like is it? You don't have a deep christ-like attitude by to getting a stranger to come to the meeting while you call your brothers and sisters in the truth liars. That is a poor common denominator in attracting"new" ones to the truth.*****soapbox/ce

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RJ I do not envy the happiness you expressed. rmk

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23 Sep 2002
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RJ – I have come here before to ask you to refrain from posting. You seem to want to post for the pure joy of causing trouble. There is no need to continue posting here once you've made your point and realize that no matter what you say, it won't make a difference. If you KEEP posting, make it clear to everyone here that you speak only for yourself and not for the 6 million other JW's that have better sense than you and I, and don't come to this site.

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Here here soapbox. (thank you) I still hold out hope that even RJish people will one day see that the true nature of this site is 2 fold. One, help Silentlambs to heal, and give them the strength to seek justice for the injustice that has been done to them if they so wish it. This as opposed to seeking revenge which is the "Bastard Child Of Justice." And second, it shows people like me a better way to "fight" as RMK puts it by just helping the spiritually sick and hurting. Trading barbs only begets wounds. I don't want that and never did. To be angry and prideful about it, well, I was wrong, or at least misguided. So I have submitted to the cause of Silentlambs as Bill Bowen created it (It's purpose, and it's cause) and I like it. (it is better) It is so simple. Help those who are in need, offer help, aide, and understanding to those who ask for it it. The WTBS doctrine and policy is a JW/EXJW fight and not directly mine. But I still support Silentlambs and all of its causes. It is a "Just" organization of people.-Jayson

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23 Sep 2002
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Nameless....I do speak for the other 6 million witnesses. If I didn't then there would be about 6 million less witnesses who made a mass exodus to support the silentlambs cause, the freeminds cause, the JW.com cause etc. etc. You guys who try to make the witnesses out as such bad people are a dime a dozen and will continue to do no real good except inflate the head of your charismatic leaders. True a few will leave but this just sifts out the riff raff. For the few that leave a hundred will be gained. Instead of the downfall of JW's within a few years you guys better prepare for an increase in our numbers and be thinking about what excuses you will have as to why. Why won't people just listen to me you may say, why don't they just see? Well the simple reason is that most people are smarter than that. Most people can see who simply have an ax to grind by your pathetic marches and street corner flyer distribution versus those who are actually sane! So nameless and others I do speak for the others if I didn't then all the other informative sites about JW's like this one would have a much larger following versus a passing interest that is ultimately offset by reality and we wouldn't continue to grow. Lets see who is around in 5 years silentlambs or JW's......RJ

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RJ – This is nameless. I AM a JW and I am asking you to refrain from posting. Don't confuse me with the apostates here. I wanted to make that clear because from your reply to me you don't seem to realize that. I have asked you on 3 separate occasions to stop posting, mainly because I am a little concerned for you. I wish I could tell you this in private without all the apostates weighing in, but unfortunately we don't have that option. Don't take this the wrong way I too have been counseled about posting here. I think you know that we should not be talking to apostates. Let them do what they have to do, good or bad these things have to happen, don't fight it. A much better way to disprove what apostates say is to turn the other cheek. This is the conduct preferred by 6 million witnesses, which is a much better approach than you and I trying to take on these apostates. I apologize for the way I sounded in my other post. No need to reply to this message. Do well in your ministry and wait on Jehovah.

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Nameless, As much as I hate to say it you are right but I can't help but defend myself the same way these idiots are saying that they are defending children. It's complete horse hocky. They have a completely different agenda masked by a pseudo care for the abused. It goes beyond that! You, I and even they deep down know it. I will try to control myself from now on. Thanks for the counsel....RJ

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To RJ and Nameless; I hate to tell you this but I am an active JW and I know several others on this site. I have to feel sorry for you because you are still letting the WTS control your mind and thinking abilities. The lives of children are at stake her and I also know several cases of abuse within the congregations. How could you possibly know about such cases since anyone who speaks about it will be df'd and the elders are sworn to secrecy. So unless it happens to someone in your family, there is little chance of you ever hearing about it. Don't you find it strange that Bill, Barbara, Joe, etc. were not df'd until they went public with the abuse info? Of course, they had to be df'd so that no one could talk to them and find out the truth. I don't know how old you are but you would do well to wake up. Yes in 5 yrs. JW's will still be around because there are always people who want to be told what to do and how to do it and they have a need for a religion to provide structure in their life. However, lets see if the US sees any increase in recruits and if their money dwindles. jazbug

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'Lets see who is around in 5 years silentlambs or JW's......'RJ A good question, considering all of the lawsuits pending for the JWs. ashitaka

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linda, jesika.elsewhere.;;;you girls are great i read about your witnessing work on j-w .com. i read on another post. soon the jw will no longer be known as the people who wake you up on saturday morning.banging on your door but the public will know jw as the ones knocking at your door who make a 6 year old girl cry, because she does not have 2 witnesses to a 45 year old elder pulling down her panties....i would have loved to see the jw's pacing the parking lot. saying over and over your fooling with jehovah's chosen people....go lambs!!!!!!!!!!john

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Thanks RJ....

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Any one ever notice;;; that people who come knocking on your door.when maybe your taking a bath or sleeping. are always trying to sell you something that is of such bad quality or over priced that it would never sell at the mall .. if i wanted the greatest vacuum in the world i would have went to sears years ago ..if i wanted encyclopedias i would call world book etc.if i wanted candy i would go to the candy store.if i wanted pots i would go to macy's and if i wanted religion i would go to church...i'm sick of slick salesman coming to my door with a prerehearsed pitch to deceive homeowners and who laugh all the way to the bank on how they sold an other sucker.... door to door salesman will say anything to get their foot in the door....john

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We are thankful for your website. Our married daughter-in-law (age 38) was abused by her uncle, who is a circuit overseer in Houston when she was young. To our knowledge, no one else knows. We pray for them to come to the "real" truth and see what is happening. Thank you for having the courage to speak out. Please keep us on your mailing list.

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Hi, just wanted to register my opinion on all this. I don't really agree with most of what's being said here. One thing that does concern me, and which I feel is absolutely wrong is that I have seen a copy of a WT letter which seems to state that a person may be made an elder or MS if it is definitely known that they were an offender, but this happened "many years in the past" and they are unlikely to re-offend. I feel very strongly that such ones should NEVER be used in any position of responsibility, and it is grossly indecent of anyone with such a history to seek appointment to any responsible position. I was most disappointed and upset to read the contents of that letter. But let me repeat that this is my one and only complaint. I also feel that trying to destroy an organization for the sake of a few sex perverts is wrong. Certainly individual elders and others have failed to show the proper disgust and horror at the crimes of such people. Some may have even broken the law by not reporting and should be prosecuted for this. But please don't forget there are 6 million other witnesses on this earth and rest assured that we do care. We became witnesses because we are the ones sighing and groaning about the terrible things going on on this earth and we look forward so much to jehovah's clean earth. This earth will be a better place because the sexual deviates who prey on children and the elders who have sheltered them aren't going to be there. So please stop putting across the view that all of us JW's are on the side of the pedophiles or that we support the elders that fail to act properly in such cases. We despise both these types of criminals as much as you do. The only difference between us and you is that we still have faith that Jehovah sees all that is wrong and will clean up his organization in due time. {{{JW's Care!}}}

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Hey RJ, keep up the good work... maybe your comments here are just a little oasis of sanity in this god-forsaken hell hole. Probably you shouldn't be here and there's better things you could be doing, but do what you feel you have to. Any unbiased person who is reading this guestbooks will find your comments make 100 times more sense than all the other half baked arguments put across by this bunch of ill-bred, grammatically challenged losers.

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RJ my wife who is EXJW made a perfect point to your 5 year statement. "As long as there are Jehovah's Witnesses there will be silentlambs." End Quote.-Jayson

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To Jayson...tell your wife, that is a great statement. How true that is. I think this has all gone to far for the WTS to turn back now. I would like to think that they will apologize and change their policies but their history doesn't show much of an apologetic attitude about anything. For some of the JW defenders, I would like them to ask an elder what he would do if he knew of an abuse case. His probable response is going to be, "I would immediately call the legal dept." Then I would ask him what he would do if the WTS told him to keep it quiet at all costs. Would he go against what the WTS said? Not unless he wants to be removed as an elder or disfellowshipped...he may not agree and he may not like it but he will do what the WTS says. His only other option is to resign as an elder. I'm going to ask this of the next elder I see. jazbug

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RJ: beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Caesar. you're getting yourself involved in the politics of religion. if you carry on the way you are you'll come undone big time. Rich

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Jayson......and my wife who is still a JW said as long as there are apostates there will still be plenty of head doctors to treat their insanity.....end quote! RJ

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" I would like them to ask an elder what he would do if he knew of an abuse case. " Did ask an elder this question, and he said, "You know, in our state we have to notify the authorities." Asked him if he lived across the border where he wouldn't have to and he responded, "No!"... the reason; he would be afraid of ending up in a lawsuit. Great businessman answer, lousy shepard response! Reminds me a lot of the Good Samaritan parable - just wish they could open their ears and hearts to what they say and do, instead of worrying about their pocketbook! JerryN

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Rich....I don't know which angle you are coming from in all this, but if your profound comments were meant to scare me off it will not succeed. I feel as strongly about defending JW's character as the ones in here supposedly do about defending the abused. You will not find in a single post of mine or a single statement defending a molester, nor as a JW would I not feel inclined toward helping a child at all costs. I have children of my own. What I don't like and will always be here to defend with fervor is the attack on JW's as a whole and their character! This is what many in here are trying to do and I take great exception to that! When there is bashing going on you can rest assured I will be there to defend my fellow brothers and sisters. I will never defend a molester as many would make it seem all JW's do, but I will defend our honor. If there is corruption going on at any level it will be taken care of I am confident of that, if not now in the end when Jehovah passes final judgment on all of us for our actions. You can call it politics to scare me off, call it what you may. The fact is many in here are scared by this kind of reasoning because it does not fit their ultimate agenda. Many would like me to go away because an objective observer can look at my posts and see where I am coming from. They look at the other posts and they see a much broader agenda than that of helping the abused. They see people bent on hate and this severely discredits the so called mission of this site. To relay another omnipotent, all wise and all knowing Jayson quote...."as long as there is silentlambs there will be RJ"....

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...."as long as there is silentlambs there will be RJ"...." Not "is" RJ "are" silentlambs are people (Like JW's are people) not things. But, I think that you are right on target with your point.-Jayson

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I've been sitting on the sidelines watching the site deteriorate. I'm sorry to see the anger and fear being generated when the possible benefits of this site for abuse victims is being choked out. Many posters here are coming from opposite poles on this issue with the idea that they are going to win an argument. But this isn't a debate about ideas, or scriptures, or doctrines. This is about people. And the choice each person must make for themselves. In the Bible, Jehovah told his people many times to "choose between good and bad, life and death." For each of us, the choice is based on our personal experience. If the congregation has been a wonderful haven from an old life of pain and suffering in this system, then your choice is to stay and continue with what makes your life good and bearable until Jehovah's appointed time. If a person has been abused and hurt, in any way, that turns the haven of the congregation into a "bad" choice for them. It's up to the individual to determine. And it rests with each person to account to their Creator. Meanwhile, children are put at risk because of secrecy. Why is it more important to maintain an individual's "reputation" than it is to diligently respond to a child who has somehow mustered up the courage to tell their most horrifying secret? Did Jehovah cover over the sins of his servants in the Bible? No, we read about kings, prophets, and servants who were disciplined for their sins. And the reason was always spelled out. No secret meetings, no generic announcement of reproof. The wicked man or woman was exposed before onlookers, and each person could make their own decision as to how to treat the individual. Of course, that put each person's faith to the test. But isn't that what life in this system is supposed to be? Do we really believe that nothing bad can happen inside the congregation? Surely we remember all the scriptures that point out drastic problems in the first century congregations, and they had the apostles around still! (Of course, they weren't too terribly concerned with having lawsuits brought against them.) Let's take a look, instead, at the life of a witness child. If you didn't grow up in the truth you can't possibly know what they deal with. They go to school, a tiny minority, and have to find the courage to a) Not salute the flag or sing patriotic songs. b) Not participate in any birthday or holiday activity. and c) Not engage in sports, clubs, or other extracurricular activities. But that's not where it ends. No, they not only have to refrain from these daily, weekly, monthly "tests of faith", they also have to be able to defend their beliefs. And they do it. Constantly. Every day when they go to school they know they'll probably have to miss out on something that looks fun, or turn down an invitation to a party, or stand out from everyone else when they don't salute the flag. They do this faithfully every single school day. How often do we adults have to do this? And yet, when one of these same faithful children is molested by someone in the congregation, what is likely to happen to them? You won't know unless it happens to Your Child. I know what happened to me. And I was an adult at the time I finally reported it. It was so devastating to my family, but through it all I knew that Jehovah would help me. How did I know this? Because I had learned to rely on Him every day at school and through so many years of growing up with an abusive, alcoholic mother. But enough about me. I really just wanted to let you all know that I respect each of you and your right to exercise your free will. If you choose to remain in the congregation then I must assume that you are happier there than anywhere else. Jehovah will bless your honest efforts to keep your congregation clean. And if you choose to leave the congregation I must assume you cannot find peace and happiness there. Jehovah will still bless your efforts to live a spiritual life. His love doesn't end at our point of weakness, that is where it really begins. I don't have any idea what will happen to the society over this issue. I hope they can respond from a place in their hearts that welcomes Jehovah's reproof, because it shows that He still wants to use them. If so, it means that my mother will still have a place where she feels purposeful and happy. My in-laws, who happen to be the "real deal" among witnesses, can continue to enjoy the life that has taken them far from their own abusive family backgrounds, and made them wonderful parents and just plain good people. If the society cannot respond from a place of love, God help us all. Especially the innocent children who take their stand on faith every day. from your Sister to All Here, Brenda

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Brenda, Well put! I am touched by your eloquent words and I feel much the same. You made some very good points many have found comfort and solace in a congregation of good people trying to do the right thing. I am in a loving warm and caring congregation. This issue has come up before and we had to deal with it. It was dealt with swiftly. The accused denied doing anything but we encouraged the family to do what they needed to do to find closure. They went to the authorities which is perfectly alright. It all came out in the wash and the accused was found guilty. This was Jah's handling of the matter. Everything is revealed but you have to give it a chance. If some unscrupulous ones are trying to cover something over then that will come out in the wash also in Jah's due time. The problem in here is that some have not chose to wait on Jah and have taken matters into their own hands which may not necessarily be wrong. But when you drag all JW's through the mud and make us all look like criminals then that is wrong. That has been my point of contention about this whole matter from day one! There are those in here who hate Jw's so bad because of their bad experience that they want to brand us all. That is not fair. The system has worked in our hall and as I have stated in here I would be the first to make sure a child was protected as would the elders in my congregation I know that for a fact. But many in here think they speak for all congregations and all witnesses which is simply not true! Brenda I truly appreciate and respect your comments. I think they are well balanced and genuine. When I try to express my genuine feeling certain ones take it upon themselves to interpret my words and make them into what they want. That is the way it is when hate enters the pictures versus an objective posture. Best wishes to you Brenda....RJ

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As much as I hate too I must admit that RJ has raised some good points, you however are no angel RJ your posts have been mean spirited from time to time. The fact is most everyone in here is mean spirited in my opinion. I only come in from time to time to check things out and like Brenda most of the time I do not like what I see so I refrain from posting. The only reason I am saying anything right now is just to agree with Brenda on something and that is the fact that my folks are quite happy as JW's also and I visit their congregation every now and then and I must say that everyone is quite friendly and kind, about that I can say nothing. I don't agree with pedophiles being shielded either and if that happens then I think the shielders must pay and pay dearly. My father is a JW elder and he is one of the kindest men you would ever meet. He has told me how they would deal with the matter and it is not at all in the way I have been reading in here. Maybe there is a problem of uniform enforcement in various congregations I don't know but to say that all are the same is a gross exaggeration. Anonymous for now...

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As much as I hate too I must admit that RJ has raised some good points, you however are no angel RJ your posts have been mean spirited from time to time. The fact is most everyone in here is mean spirited in my opinion. I only come in from time to time to check things out and like Brenda most of the time I do not like what I see so I refrain from posting. The only reason I am saying anything right now is just to agree with Brenda on something and that is the fact that my folks are quite happy as JW's also and I visit their congregation every now and then and I must say that everyone is quite friendly and kind, about that I can say nothing. I don't agree with pedophiles being shielded either and if that happens then I think the shielders must pay and pay dearly. My father is a JW elder and he is one of the kindest men you would ever meet. He has told me how they would deal with the matter and it is not at all in the way I have been reading in here. Maybe there is a problem of uniform enforcement in various congregations I don't know but to say that all are the same is a gross exaggeration. Anonymous for now...

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RJ, I recommend once again that you refrain from posting here. This is an apostate site, and although you have good intentions, it will do you harm to continue posting here. We have been told repeatedly the dangers of paying attention to what apostates have to say, if what they say is that important to you then I would encourage you to discuss with one of your elders what's on your mind. I am positive you wish to walk away from all this but like you said it is hard to. I told one of my elders that I was frequenting this site and he told me that that's how apostates get started. I implore you once again to be an example and let the apostates have their say, nothing is gained by arguing back and forth. This would be my fourth call to you, I hope you have the good sense to realize that this can become an obsession, paying attention to what apostates have to say. I hope you will pay attention to these words, as this is my last post.

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Nameless, I would recommend that you quit coming in here also. Then you will not see what I post! I believe nameless is none other than a regular in here like perhaps Rich who feels threatened by my comments and would like to see me leave. I will not be swayed that easily! RJ

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RJ – Disappointing, to say the least. Hope you come to your senses before it's too late.

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Here is the Toronto Sun article. Read by about 1 million Ontarians... Tuesday, September 24, 2002 Jehovah's lawsuit near end By Ian McDougall Final arguments began yesterday in a $700,000 civil suit against the Jehovah's Witnesses launched by a woman who claims the church tried to cover up the sexual abuse she suffered from her own father. The woman's lawyer, Charles Mark, said the church should be forced to pay damages because they were negligent in the way they handled her case and failed to notify the Children's Aid society immediately. "This process was an injustice to her," Mark told court. "When you have a person who goes through this process, she comes out feeling she is guilty." Shelburne church elders Steven Brown and Brian Cairns are also defendants in the lawsuit. The defence will present its closing argument today. http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-09-24-0061.html

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RJ: Nameless who keeps posting to you is not me. whether you should or shouldn't post here is up to you. nameless may well be right though, as i said before this is politics and at the moment you're involved. i'm not saying it to scare you, i'm just saying it so that you'll become careful about what you say and what your mind dwells upon. i don't feel threatened by your comments as only few months ago i was saying more or less the same as you, and was being attacked by john, buster and others. the thing is RJ you've had your say and everyone knows where you stand, just get on with what you have to do. i only feel that there's something other than what you said keeping you on these sites. things argent black and white RJ, Satan would have you think so. beware. Rich

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I am deeply saddened to see the guestbook turned into a chatroom. I don't think that is what this was made for. As a victim I don't feel safe to post here anymore because others feel it is their right to comment and/or to tear one's comments to pieces.

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CANADIANS????? ----- From: "silentlambs" <info@silentlambs.org> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:54:19 -0500 To: <info@silentlambs.org> Subject: Anyone coming from Canada? ----- IF anyone is coming to the silentlambs March on Brooklyn this Friday, 9-27-02, from Canada please let me know asap, the CBC wants to know to provide a basis for coming to the march. bill

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HOUSTON, TEXAS, UNIVERSITY ARTICLE: Volume 68, Issue 1, Date Opinion Should Elders report child abuse? Jonathan C.R. Davis Guest Columnist It seems the controversy concerning child molestation in the Catholic Church has finally calmed down. But now the spotlight is turning on another religious group: Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses are an American-born fundamentalist sect known mostly for its mandatory preaching work. It is led by the Brooklyn, N.Y.-based Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, which claims six million members worldwide and one million in the United States. Members are part of an extremely close-knit society that has its own way of life, its own values and its own judiciary. Jehovah's Witnesses have been under increasing pressure recently because of their child abuse policy. In a statement on its Web site, the Society explains; "When any Jehovah's Witness is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate." Not local authorities the elders. In America, only 16 states require all allegations of abuse to be reported to the authorities; and in those 34 states where its not required, elders prefer to handle such matters internally. Child abuse typically leaves only two witnesses to the crime the perpetrator and the young victim. The abuser is unlikely to confess, and this leaves only one witness the victim, a terrified and violated child who is intimidated into silence by either threats or the belief that he (or she) has done something terribly wrong in Gods eyes. When the matter is brought to light (often through the victims brave actions), the Society explains that congregation elders should meet with the young accuser and the accused separately. If the accused adult still denies the allegations, then a second meeting is arranged, with both the accuser and the accused present at the same time. If "during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and no others can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time." Basically, the accused molester gets off the hook. Witnesses claim that this is so because of the injunction in the Bible at Deuteronomy 19:15, which says that accusations can only stand if they are corroborated by at least two or three witnesses. But is a child likely to speak out accurately and comfortably with his (or her) rapist sitting right across the room, glaring at him? Is it right to force a raped child to confront his molester? And more, do Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to supersede the authorities and place a proper investigation in jeopardy? You might ask, what kind of "action within the congregation" can be taken? Unrepentant wrongdoers will likely be expelled and shunned. But if a wrongdoer acts repentant, then an announcement will be made that this person has been "reproved" by a judicial committee. In either case, no one outside of the situation such as parents of other young children is told of the wrongdoers admittance to raping a child. How can they say that children are safe within their Kingdom Halls? Why no mention of local authorities yet? In its statement, the Society makes its position clear. After reporting the alleged wrongdoing to their local branch office (which in turn notifies the Society's headquarters), "the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply." If, however, the congregation resides in a state where reporting isn't mandatory, time has shown that the crime rarely gets reported. Again, better that it is handled without involving the law. The Society's secret database of child offenders holds well over twenty thousand names, but the Society has declined to share this list with the authorities. The Society has repeatedly declined interviews about this issue, instead offering videotapes and statements full of even contradictions. It makes one wonder, what are they hiding? The "safety of our children is of the utmost importance," they say. But since they keeping everything hidden, it appears that their reputation is what's most important. The next time a Jehovah's Witnesses talks with you, you should ask him or her about this topic. Carefully examine the answers they give you, and see if Jehovah's Witnesses are really concerned about the children and not their own image. Davis, a freshman English major, can be reached at jonathan@jcrd.org

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020924/6/p5hm.html . . Excerpt from the Vicki Boer Trial .Statement by Colin Stevenson,Watchtower lawyer .. . Because they're acting solely as spiritual counselors, he continued, religious figures such as priests, rabbis or church elders have no duty of care to their congregation members. another excerpt:Anyone who runs afoul of the religion's strictest tenets will find themselves excommunicated, often to such an extent that they're shunned by their own family.

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Re: I am deeply saddened. We know and we are sad too but those opposers will not go away and there is little that can be done about them. Just know that your comments are read and enjoyed by many others. If you are attacked don't take it personally....the attack will come from a creature who is barely human and thinks this is a cyber-game. He is incapable of feeling and doesn't realize you have feelings either. So go on with you life, ignore him, do as you please. The rest of us are human! Nancy Naranjo

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I would like to commend those who decided to stand up to the organization . I officially left the Witnesses about a year ago . This website was very instrumental in helping me to leave the Witnesses . Thank you .

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I wish most of the people responding to this website would use the chatroom. THIS IS NOT A CHAT ROOM......but.....it is being used as one. This website is for the encouragement of the victims I'm tired of wading thru the crap to get to the help for the children/teens/parents.

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Wow! the lady that wrote in on Aug 6 at 11:55 who says "who showed you this?" "who showed you that" we owe a debt of gratitude to J.W. Please use the chatroom. This is NOT ONE! If all we have on here are jw's and x-jw's bashing one another We will NEVER GET ANYWHERE. This site is to encourage people. If you can't stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen. Spokane

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Enough already RJ! You have made your point. We know where you stand. As much as I hate to admit you have even made me reconsider my position. I must say I was letting my anger lead me towards inappropriate feelings toward other JW's. I know that all JW's aren't evil but what about the leaders and policy makers? That is what needs to be focused on which is what we are trying to do

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Here is a link to an article some of your readers may appreciate. http://e-watchman.com/essays/justice_for_silentlambs.html

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A few excerpts from the above essay “Justice for Silentlambs. Print it out it's 6 pages and it's worth reading. . . . Jesus Christ condemned the Pharisees for their hypocrisy because they scrupulously observed relatively minor aspects of the Law, but disregarded the weightier matters having to do with justice, mercy, and faithfulness. Likewise, we have devoted ourselves to faithfully engaging in field service and regularly attending meetings, we have even proclaimed that we abhor child abuse, yet by our organizational policies we are denying justice and mercy to thousands of sexually abused children in our congregations! And do we imagine that Jehovah God shall be an accomplice to such atrocities? How could God possibly condone what is taking place among Jehovah's Witnesses? . . . The Watchtower has frequently advised victims of child abuse, as well as Jehovah's Witnesses in general, that we must "wait of Jehovah." Ironically, our waiting on Jehovah means that inevitably he is going to mete out some very harsh discipline upon those who probably imagine themselves to be least deserving of it. . . . . . . . Nancy Naranjo

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RJ I hope you are still hear to read this, you seem to have concern regarding this issue. I have tried talking to the Elders in my congregation about my Childhood Abuse by my Mother when I was a young child, it has in recent years affected me greatly, I suffer from depression and often have thoughts of suicide, I wrote a letter to the Elders in my Hall describing what happened, It was easier for me to write it down rather than tell them face to face because I still feel a great amount of guilt and embarrassment about the subject, they told me that it was so long ago that they couldn't do anything about it. The worst part of it though is that now when I go to the hall they don't greet me and avoid any eye contact with me, I seem to have marked myself as a trouble maker, It gets worse, the job I had was working for a Brother in his business making Signs A few weeks after I sent the letter I was sitting at the computer working on some designs he walked up and unplugged the computer and said my job there was done and I should leave right away, I refused to leave because he was paying me as an outside contractor and I had my own Business License, He than called the Police to have me thrown out but they couldn't do anything since legally it was my business. Anyway I left because he was getting so mad I believed he would become violent. I could really use your help, I have no were to go no one to go to for help, I am asking you now to please help me straiten out this mess I am in,I believe you are a standup Brother and will not turn your back on me like the Brothers in my hall, I just want a fresh start and to make amends to those I have harmed, will you speak for me I really need some help with this...NP NJMiller1956@wmconnect.com

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Hi, We have been following your site for awhile and some of you mentioned to us to read some of the information and come back and tell you what we think. Here's goes: We feel that the child abuse issue do need to be investigated if none of these names have ever been turned in to the police as claimed. That is a criminal offense. With any cooperation (and we feel that this is a cooperation) there is one point to keep in mind. A cooperation knows how to cover their tracks. Someone told me to read their(Watchtower)website. They are saying that they have a policy. So if these people feel like they have a policy,they won't see the need of changing anything. (I guess in away they have brainwashed themselves.) Media Coverage- Let the world world know of the mind control, deception and abuse within the church or whatever. That's good. There is one thing to consider. Most JW's or Watchtower people just have a one track mind. So whatever comes on TV, many will just ignore it and then a few might listen, hard to tell. A few here mentioned some book to read about the False Prophecies. Good reading. Then again the Watchtower have fixed that too. By changing things so much, if anyone wanted to sue them over beliefs. They would just simply show that they have made changes to the way things are ran and if you show information that they believed years ago, you or the persons that wanted to sue really wouldn't have a case. Shunning/Disfellowshipped-I think they have covered their backs on that one too. Someone had a site if I'm not mistaken where they asked one of the Watchtower Lawyers that question. In gist,he stated that you joined the religion/cult by free will, so if you don't abide by their rules to stay in the religion/cult you will have to leave and suffer the consequences. As a member since you joined on your own free-will, you're under any obligation to stay. Yeah, they have covered their backs here. About the March: Your voice will be heard. I don't know if the higher-ups will listen though. We have been advertising your March around here.Much Success. From, College Student and Another College Student

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To everyone who is worrying about what this guestbook has become,(& RJ, who really enjoys getting a reaction, way to go RJ!) there always has been at least some of this sniping going on, myself included. However, those jw's who come on here "defending" obviously feel that this is a real threat to them, or they wouldn't spend any time arguing about it. They obviously feel that they are the ones to defend the honor of the supreme being(like he needs it) & are people w/ too much time on their hands. I, for one, am not going to tell anyone to leave, or what to write or think, or to worry about "apostates". I am not the thought police, I don't think I have all the answers. But, I do think the sites rj mentioned, freeminds etc. would be a better place for these arguments, not a place w/ hurt people. Even when I was a "dub", I would have been horrified at the thought of arguing theology w/ someone who has been horribly abused. There are comments I desperately want to make in response to these people's jibes, just as I desperately wanted to argue w/ the "evil slave" at conventions, to prove I was doing the right thing. I DO like to argue! But, I too have decided to focus on helping the hurt ones, & hopefully be able to treat those others as lost, except when I believe I can help, them or others who may buy into their abuse, because I gave up shunning long ago, & always knew, even as a child, deep down, that it was wrong. Just as I know being an accessory to child abuse, saying wait on Jehovah is wrong. Just as I know that believing that "talking & praying w/" one of these pedophiles won't cure them. Their recovery rate anywhere is near 0. It's wrong, they know it, deep down somewhere, that's why their here all the time, thinking out loud w/ ridiculous rationale, trying to defend an indefensible position. Unless, as I suspect, some of these "defenders" are pedophiles themselves. MOST witnesses ARE good people. But, being "good" and "following along" doesn't make you any less bloodguilty. I love all of you. If anyone, ANYONE, even you RJ, needs to talk, my e-mail is avishai@hotmail.com

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Jehovah's Witnesses are a terrible organization. Their followers in the main are honest, good hearted, but brainwashed and destroyed but this evil and innocuous organization. Several members of my family are still trapped in it, ten people actually, they are all just simple ordinary people but totally brainwashed. They do not speak to me, and I have never caused them any trouble, or made any comments, just happen to be "of the world" and not "in the Truth" - I was, but I walked away from it at the age of 19 years in 1949 because I simply could not believe anything of their teachings and ways any more. G.Gilmore glorgil@yahoo.com.au

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As a Jew who has been molested I have empathy, admiration and awe for your brave stand. Every religion is touched by these people it takes courage to stand up and say, "No more." Bravo to you and to those who banish you for your bravery let's pray for them. Sincerely A.A.K.

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Hello, I am a college student that stumbled across silent lambs from an internet report;"ex-Jehovah's Speak Out", by Bobby Ross Jr. I have a paper due in My Human Resources class and chose to write it on this. I wanted to visit your site to get a better understanding of silent lambs and the issues behind child molestation, and secrecy within religion in general. I will also be visiting the watchtower site also to hear their point of view even though I am upset, but visiting their site will help me write this 4 page paper that may turn into a ten page paper. I just wanted to write you and let you know that the information is being passed along nationally. There are many reasons that I chose this field to receive my masters in Social Work. My daughter was molested at age three, she is seven now. No, we are not jehovah witnesses. She was molested at school, by a teacher, and he got off, never was arrested, never did time, even after there was medical proof. But someone was protecting him, because of this I want to be apart of the solution of breaking down those barriers of children's rights, the way the laws are,especially, politically because this took place on a Government Site that had no connection with this daycare and had the choice to kick this daycare off their grounds after the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd allegation from three different children (all 3yrs old at the time). Sincerely, Future MSW/LICSW, LaToya Salley College Student, Boston, MA latoyasalley2002@yahoo.com

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Some day the stronger of your membership will come to realize that your "religion" is nothing more than a crutch. A crutch, that is, tolerant of no other. Your beliefs, like those of Christians, are based on The bible, which is nothing more than an old story whose meaning was mangled over the years by numerous poor translations. The problems with abuse in your cult come of no surprise. Denial seems to be the norm here. I have a good friend who is a JW and I hope that over the years she and her family will shake this silly cult and get on with their lives. One does not need the teachings of a controlling organization like that of the JW to lead a good, honest, and spiritual life.

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Excellent web site,we need to educate the unsuspecting people who are looking for Bible truth but are caught up in the lies of the WatchTower Society. Jane Darby.

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I think that you are doing good work. It amazes me that so many people of authority in various religious communities use their positions to take advantage of others, especially the young and the weak. Then they punish the people who have been abused by ostracizing them. What a cushy position these abusers have. I am a faithful Christian who currently does not have a church home, and I am not sure that I want one. There is too much hypocrisy. We are to confess our sins, yet so many church leaders are committing atrocious acts and hiding behind their churches and their gods. Yahweh must be appalled at this type of behavior. Admitting our sins (confession) is the first step toward salvation. If the church leaders can't do that, something is terribly wrong. Best wishes in your efforts to help those who have been victimized. May God bless you. one of the first step toward

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I think that you are doing good work. It amazes me that so many people of authority in various religious communities use their positions to take advantage of others, especially the young and the weak. Then they punish the people who have been abused by ostracizing them. What a cushy position these abusers have. I am a faithful Christian who currently does not have a church home, and I am not sure that I want one. There is too much hypocrisy. We are to confess our sins, yet so many church leaders are committing atrocious acts and hiding behind their churches and their gods. Yahweh must be appalled at this type of behavior. Admitting our sins (confession) is the first step toward salvation. If the church leaders can't do that, something is terribly wrong. Best wishes in your efforts to help those who have been victimized. May God bless you.

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Please add me to your email list. I have a new email and miss your updates. I really appreciate what you are doing, as I am a victim of abuse in the organization myself. My new email is dnb@cblhlaw.com. Thank you for everything you are doing! Dina Beswick Gaithersburg, MD

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God Bless you in your quest to expose this.. You don't need any additional "help" from Watchtower to understand the bible. Read it(not the Watchtower verions) and you will find the truth.. www.libertychurchjax.org

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our prayers are with your organization as you strive the right the wrongs that have been done in the Lords name Augustine & Sondra Sodaro

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This is the first time i have visited your website. I found it most encouraging. I too am a women of abuse in a JW relationship. I was in the relationship for 10 years. It is hard for me i have no friends any more, but still love God. Please contact me at nancy_j01@yahoo.com. I could use some one to talk to.

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EVERYONE THIS IS AN Associated Press ARTICLE...Email your local newspaper and ask them to run it in their papers. Barbara & Joe Anderson interviewed ...Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses speak out"By BOBBY ROSS JR. Associated Press Writer . .September 26, 2002, 1:32 AM EDT one excerpt: Joe and Barbara Anderson have been abandoned by their peers. Their son won't talk to them, and won't let them see their 3-year-old grandson. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/

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Please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you in your march tomorrow. It is a great effort on your part and a very courageous one. My love goes with you as I know God will be with each one of you. Although I am considered an enemy by the WT I am not. Just one who loves the Lord and want healing for these most tragic events in each of your lives. God does love all the folks he made, non more than the other, for we are one in Christ. Love and peace. Brenda Dockery

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Hope it doesn't rain on your parade...... Then instead of 10 people showing up there might only be 5! Go get em tigers.....

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my wife was disfellowshipped before i met her nine years ago-i have never met her 5 brothers and sisters an hour away or her parents--its not allowed--at this point i wouldn't want to--this isn't being religious and doings gods will --its a vindictive religion with sick people running it-- ps it was for being divorced and smoking cigarettes-not a crime in my book?????

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Torrential rain forecast for NYC tomorrow. I'm sure the media and every duck in NYC will be out in droves to be able to witness the "march of dimes" This date will no doubt go down in history as one of the biggest events of the millennium. I heard the president might even be there. (the president of the local moose lodge)

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I cannot make it to the march in New York because of finances,I have had a very hard time even making ends meat since speaking out against my childhood abuse, My prayers go with all those who prepare to go on this journey and I believe the poster who made a comment on the rain is the best example of a witness there is, and why we must fight this so hard, to say in a smug tone that it is suppose to pour down rain, well I have no words for your callous heart, which is the reason we are forced to take this to the streets, I believe Jesus will open the sky, and send down his sunlight to show all those who is in charge, this is something who's time has come and we will not be swayed or made to feel unworthy of our cry's any longer, God will see to that, May you all go in Peace and with God Jehovah thru his son Jesus Amen...NP

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My very best wishes on a wonderful march. Your strength and determination are phenomenal. Bill, Sheila, Barbara, Joe , & others whose names I do not know. You are my HERO'S. You are my great crowd of witnesses. Nancy Naranjo . . .(forget the rain-people, they are like the homeless with all their belongings in a shopping cart and they are afraid of a different kind of rain...one that is falling on their belief system)

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My prayers are with you all as you do whatever you can to heal from abuse, and protect other children from being abused. I'm so sorry that some current witnesses feel threatened, but having been there myself, I understand and pray for you. I don't believe this site was intended to "persecute" you, but rather, to make sure that people are fully informed on an issue that simply cannot be ignored anymore. It's been almost six years since I stopped attending meetings, although I still attend the Memorial out of respect for God and my family who are witnesses. My journey has brought me to a place where I feel more spiritual and happy. Even though I wasn't disfellowshipped, my mother treated me as if I was. Our relationship has improved recently, but I know that this issue is one she can't handle. She knows exactly what happened when I went to the elders about my own abuse as a child. And she must follow her own conscience. I, however, could not stay and participate in a ministry that encourages people to join a group that welcomes you with such loving arms, and then boots you out the backdoor as soon as you have a problem that just isn't supposed to happen in a spiritual paradise. Denial is a way of life for many, many witnesses. Not all of them, mind you, but many. May Jehovah bless all who put their hearts on the line in order to do what is Right. Jesus told his followers to love one another, to pray for their enemies, and to become like little children if they truly want to be his disciples. Those of you going to the march in Brooklyn are very courageous. I know you have no fear of man and are willing to face your detractors, because that is what your heart has motivated you to do. I still pray for witnesses that I know and love, and feel such compassion for those who are yet to be abused (emotionally, spiritually, physically, or sexually). Perhaps there is still time for the governing body of the WT society to take the course of goodness. It all depends on them. Millions of people put their very lives in the hands of these men, and I truly hope they are ready to be accountable for the "flock" they have been entrusted with. For those of us who have fled to a place of safety from unbearable pain, there is always the comfort of God's Word and the power of His Spirit to keep us close to his Son. For those who remain witnesses, please consider your own discipleship and pray for us, too. Do what you can personally to protect All children, because each person must answer for their actions. There's no passing the buck and saying that the elders are the only ones responsible. Listen to your own conscience. If you are going to stay in the organization then make it a better place than the world you disdain. I will do all I can to make my little part of the world a better place. Love to All, Brenda C. from Portland, Oregon

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My prayers are with you all as you do whatever you can to heal from abuse, and protect other children from being abused. I'm so sorry that some current witnesses feel threatened, but having been there myself, I understand and pray for you. I don't believe this site was intended to "persecute" you, but rather, to make sure that people are fully informed on an issue that simply cannot be ignored anymore. It's been almost six years since I stopped attending meetings, although I still attend the Memorial out of respect for God and my family who are witnesses. My journey has brought me to a place where I feel more spiritual and happy. Even though I wasn't disfellowshipped, my mother treated me as if I was. Our relationship has improved recently, but I know that this issue is one she can't handle. She knows exactly what happened when I went to the elders about my own abuse as a child. And she must follow her own conscience. I, however, could not stay and participate in a ministry that encourages people to join a group that welcomes you with such loving arms, and then boots you out the backdoor as soon as you have a problem that just isn't supposed to happen in a spiritual paradise. Denial is a way of life for many, many witnesses. Not all of them, mind you, but many. May Jehovah bless all who put their hearts on the line in order to do what is Right. Jesus told his followers to love one another, to pray for their enemies, and to become like little children if they truly want to be his disciples. Those of you going to the march in Brooklyn are very courageous. I know you have no fear of man and are willing to face your detractors, because that is what your heart has motivated you to do. I still pray for witnesses that I know and love, and feel such compassion for those who are yet to be abused (emotionally, spiritually, physically, or sexually). Perhaps there is still time for the governing body of the WT society to take the course of goodness. It all depends on them. Millions of people put their very lives in the hands of these men, and I truly hope they are ready to be accountable for the "flock" they have been entrusted with. For those of us who have fled to a place of safety from unbearable pain, there is always the comfort of God's Word and the power of His Spirit to keep us close to his Son. For those who remain witnesses, please consider your own discipleship and pray for us, too. Do what you can personally to protect All children, because each person must answer for their actions. There's no passing the buck and saying that the elders are the only ones responsible. Listen to your own conscience. If you are going to stay in the organization then make it a better place than the world you disdain. I will do all I can to make my little part of the world a better place. Love to All, Brenda C. from Portland, Oregon

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A point of reasoning...If I contribute at my local Kingdom Hall to the World Wide Witnessing Effort, Does this include paying for the lawyers that are trying so hard to keep this child abuse issue hushed up, I believe instead of contributing this month I will just slip a piece of paper in the contribution box with the words Silent Lambs on it.

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i hope these will cause i turning point to the watchtower society,i love the society for what it stands but there its got to be some major changes.wish you all well on 9/27/02 and also jehovas blesing.

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Good for you!!!! It takes a lot of courage to do what you have done and I am truly thankful for people like you. God Bless You!!!! and he will Bridget charbrid@nwol.net

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Early pictures in from the march on NY check it out. http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A11227942

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Need last minute or future march items> Check out this link. http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/plastex/rw2.htm#economy

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When I saw an article in our local paper, it brought a well of emotions to me. I agree based on my own experience, that this conduct was pushed under the rug, and I was given no support because of my conduct at the time. I was told that there was nothing that could be done because it happened so long ago and that because I had taken so long to come forward with the information, the time had expired for any disciplinary actions. It makes me sick to see that this kind of behavior is treated this way by the Jehovah's Witnesses. I was a "model" Witness, a Regular Pioneer, had several assembly parts and was cited as an example for other teenagers, but when the effects of abuse started to manifest itself and I searched to find an outlet for my confusion, I was told that my recent conduct was not acceptable and I was disfellowshipped soon after that. At the time this was happening, I didn't realize the reasons for my conduct because I had repressed the abuse. When I did remember the abuse, I eventually wrote letters to the elders of my old congregation, the abuser, and elder's in the abuser's congregation. I never even got a response from the elders and was eventually told by my mother (she is still a witness and regular pioneer) that the time had expired to do disciplinary action. For years I felt like I was a rare case and that this did not happen to others in the congregation, now I know this is not true. Sincerely, Lorinda lmd123@hotmail.com

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27 Sep 2002
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I was just wondering what the outcome was on the Canadian court case. Anybody got any news?

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27 Sep 2002
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I recently wrote a comment but unfortunately I put in the wrong e-mail address. It is lorinda_1971@hotmail.com Lorinda

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27 Sep 2002
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British Government to investigate Watchtower in the UK. Paul Giles from British Branch to meet with Parlimentary officals.....Read letter: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37507&site=3

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Trouble up ahead * Former Jehovah's Witness elder Bill Bowen charged in June that the sect manages a secret database of 23,720 members who have been accused of sexual abuse but that little if anything happens to those named unless a witness comes forward (a stipulation supposedly commanded by Deuteronomy 19:15, requiring witnesses to prove a sin). When Bowen complained, he was expelled from the sect for "causing divisions." Furthermore, Bowen charged, even confessed abusers are "punished" only by being kept from proselytizing door to door unless accompanied by another Witness. http://www.azstarnet.com/star/mon/20923weird.html

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27 Sep 2002
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Dearest Lorinda, What a sad but typical story about the conduct of elders toward abuse victims. I was shocked myself to discover that the society imposes a THREE YEAR STATUTE of LIMITATIONS on abuse allegations. I discovered this from comments by the society's lawyer in the Canadian trial. Strangely enough acts of fornication between consenting adults are always up for review, however the RAPE of a CHILD is not. Therefore, child rapist can continue to serve in the congregation. It shows to me that Watchtower does not view child abuse as a crime. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36532&site=3

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27 Sep 2002
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my name is Karen Elliott. I am so glad that u r speaking out against the elders. I am going to add what happened to me in "My Story". i know that it isn't new but i believe in numbers. my address is kassienp@hotmail.com

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27 Sep 2002
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10:43:39
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" They will not speak to you," Joe Anderson said. "I mean, if you are lying on the road, they will drive right past you." Pleassssse. A little exaggeration perhaps?

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27 Sep 2002
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AP: TWO PROTESTERS ARRESTED AT NYC MARCH ON THE WATCHTOWER..... Two of the 3 protesters who marched on the Watchtower Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested today for conduct unbecoming an apostate. It seems that the two protesters just couldn't wait to take a leak and were caught relieving themselves behind a dumpster. When questioned about their conduct the two protesters claimed that listening to all the rain made them want to urinate but there was not a restroom nearby and they just couldn't wait. The third unnamed protester acknowledged that it was pretty silly of them to do such a thing when they could have just went on themselves like he did. "My clothes were already soaked from all the rain so I just did it on myself, nobody even knew and the warmth was quite refreshing." The identity of the two has not been released pending further investigation.

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27 Sep 2002
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27 Sep 2002
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27 Sep 2002
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Samantha Mills samanatee@msn.com

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27 Sep 2002
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That's a great idea no name poster that suggested instead of contributing at the Kingdom Hall this month just leave a slip of paper with the words silent lambs on it, it would be a way you could cast your vote without the possibility of being shunned off the premises, and it would hit them were it counts ,in the pocket book...NP ouch!

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27 Sep 2002
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Bill Bowen is a jackass. I wrote him a letter and he called me an idiot. Wow, a true scholar! I'm sorry your life is crap bill but you shouldn't take it out on the rest if us.

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27 Sep 2002
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Got to keep the child abuse covered up. After all image is very important when you're one of America's richest religions . . . TOP NYC COMPANY PROFILES . . . . Sep/23/2002 #34 . . . WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK . . . 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, 11201 . . . 718-560-5000 . . . . www.watchtower.org . . . . Revenue: $951 million . . .. Industry: Publishing . . . . President: Don Adams . . . . . Employees: 3,181 in Brooklyn (volunteers) . . . . http://www.newsday.com/business/printedition/ny-nyblurba2935802sep23(0,4425582).story?coll=ny%2Dbusiness%2Dprint

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Got to keep the child abuse covered up. After all image is very important when you're one of America's richest religions . . . TOP NYC COMPANY PROFILES . . . . Sep/23/2002 #34 . . . WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK . . . 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, 11201 . . . 718-560-5000 . . . . www.watchtower.org . . . . Revenue: $951 million . . .. Industry: Publishing . . . . President: Don Adams . . . . . Employees: 3,181 in Brooklyn (volunteers) . . . . http://www.newsday.com/business/printedition/ny-nyblurba2935802sep23(0,4425582).story?coll=ny%2Dbusiness%2Dprint

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27 Sep 2002
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13:36:41
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It is NOT RAINING in BROOKLYN NY .......live webcam...http://www.newyork.ru/webcam/

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27 Sep 2002
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Keep up the good work, We are right behind you with this Keep the KIDSSAFE. Ex Jws and Christians here in England Out of the Watchtower into Christ.

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27 Sep 2002
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Bless You!!!!!! I have lost all my family to JW's ( Lifetime members) who have shunned me. I lived in the horror of being raised a JW. My brother lost his life for two pints of blood. It is high time that they were exposed for what they are!. Left the "kingdom hall" at age 17 ... Lost my family the same day. I can never thank you enough for having the insight and courage to speak up!!! Tom lostinlove486@yahoo.com

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27 Sep 2002
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To all those who have been abused as a young one or a wife, and had to deal with unspeakable horrors by those who would inflict harm on defenseless ones....My love and empathy goes out to you, I was once associated with the JW organization, and I have just recently visited this site....I am in awe of the courage you display in speaking out against the many injustices you have endured.Please remember....................................... Not all persons think as those who would inflict harm on you. I wish only the best for you in whatever courses of life you take. Be careful where you place your trust ,but be strong and move on...I know the true God knows of your sorrow and pain. There is so much to speak about, but for the sake of time ,I will not at this moment. At time in life , I am not a religious zealot...But if I could draw your pain from you ...I surely would May you dwell in the security ,of the true Father of the celestial lights. Joseph jwhit212@hotmail.com

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27 Sep 2002
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I agree with what you have done,To sit silently by, is the same as condoning a crime.I have a son who is a Witness,he has told me of his wife's step relative.He was a pedophile,I asked what was done about him? My son said his man's wife had him investigated and found out what he had done.She divorced him,but he was never turned into the police. My son said they didn't want the police involved ,he wasn't allowed to be alone with any of the congregation's children.He died a few years ago,unpunished. We have a lot of molestings in our town,most go to jail,but some never do. Thanks,Shela Kelker--daisyjunebunny@yahoo.com

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27 Sep 2002
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18:33:52
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My parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and after years of being forced to attend meetings, I will have to say they are a conceited group of people. They are the quickest to judge and the last to admit any wrongdoing. I applaud your work and wish you many blessings. As for the Andersons', hopefully your memory will live in Luke's heart until the time when he is able to communicate with you of your own free will. I can tell you from my parents word that he is a delightful child and misses his grandparents very much.

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27 Sep 2002
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20:25:40
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Blah blah blah Watchtower blah blah 1914 blah blah blah end of system blah blah blah blah just around the corner blah blah blah Christendom blah blah blah blah slave class blah blah other sheep blah blah blah this generation blah blah blah blah blah Just how much longer do we have to listen to this 120 year old record? People are getting sick of the boy that cried wolf, and nothing ever coming true. From HAD ENOUGH

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27 Sep 2002
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Hi! I am a friend of a very special lady who is a abused JW and I would like to say that I think that this site is so great for giving JW abuse victims a way to express what they have been through and to find others who can share their experiences possibly help. I have never met or corresponded with Bill Bowen, but what I have read and been told by my friend, he is a remarkable and brave man. Now for my reason for making a entry into the guest book. My friend who I love dearly, attended the march in New York today(Thursday Sept 27th). She called and asked if I had seen any news footage on the march. We live in Oklahoma and there doesn't seem to be any local television stations that aired footage about the march. My friend said that she had seen a several news network crews(CNN, Fox News) taking footage. I would like to know if there is anyone who might have video or knowledge of how to find or obtain video. I would gladly pay shipping and any associated cost to anyone who has a video copy of the march. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can reach me at the e-mail address below if you can be of assistance. Thank you and Love and Care to all. Uncnditionalme@aol.com

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Hi! I am a friend of a very special lady who is a abused JW and I would like to say that I think that this site is so great for giving JW abuse victims a way to express what they have been through and to find others who can share their experiences possibly help. I have never met or corresponded with Bill Bowen, but what I have read and been told by my friend, he is a remarkable and brave man. Now for my reason for making a entry into the guest book. My friend who I love dearly, attended the march in New York today(Thursday Sept 27th). She called and asked if I had seen any news footage on the march. We live in Oklahoma and there doesn't seem to be any local television stations that aired footage about the march. My friend said that she had seen a several news network crews(CNN, Fox News) taking footage. I would like to know if there is anyone who might have video or knowledge of how to find or obtain video. I would gladly pay shipping and any associated cost to anyone who has a video copy of the march. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can reach me at the e-mail address below if you can be of assistance. Thank you and Love and Care to all. Uncnditionalme@aol.com

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27 Sep 2002
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22:43:18
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dano243@attbi.com. I seen your Article in the Tribune-Review Newspaper and caught my attention. I admire your Stance. It seems to me to be very WRONG to be DISFELLOWSHIPPED for UNCOVERING The "TRUTH". I am Disfellowshipped. I was brought up a witness. I committed Burglary for which i am sorry I did.but did not go back to them. The ELDERs in the COngregation were a Joke. One Disfellowshipped himself from the congregation and others were dispersed to other congregations. Growing up I realized one person Whom I liked and he was troubled child. Sad to say I learned he was being Molested by his own DAD, Not anything important in the congregation but TOTALLY Ignored. Sad and BREAKS my HEART. Your picture says to me, You are a very sincere couple and LOVING. Your son and Watchtower is WRONG. Please HELP these POOR Kids in any way you can. I will be a JUDGE and EXECUTOR if ANYONE I mean ANYONE would harm my CHILD or those that I loved so DEARLY. Good Day. Daniel J. Scullion

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27 Sep 2002
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OK I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE MARCH::: WOW WE HAD ABOUT 100 THERE. I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE HANGING WITH A BUNCH OF JW ZOMBIES. IT WAS AN GATHERING OF LOVE THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN JWS SHOW.... I'VE BEEN TO THE KH ETC. AND EVERYONE WAS ALWAYS SO STIFF...THIS WAS A NATURAL HIGH...THE REPORTERS WERE THERE .FOR THE WHOLE 4 HOURS ...THE wB REPORTER WAS ON TOP OF IT THERE WERE RADIO STA'S NEWSPAPERS AND 4 TV CREWS... THEY SHOT HOURS OF FILM...WE MARCHED DOWN TO THE WT CAMERAS ROLLING THE WT ZOMBIES WERE PEEKING OUT OF THERE WINDOWS. THEM ALL AT ONCE THEY LEFT THE WINDOWS. IT MUST HAVE JEHOVAH ON THE LOUD SPEAKER. THE WT IS CLOSED IN BY GATES AND YOU HAD TO SEE SOME JW BIG WIGS RUNNING IN AND OUT OF THE DOORS.LOCKING IT ALL DOWN LIKE THEY WERE AT WAR... WE WERE AT THE WT FOR AN HOUR OR MORE... THE JWS NEVER TALKED TO ONE OF US BUT THEY LET THE REPORTERS IN ONE AT A TIME .. THE REPORTER FROM THE WB SAID THEY WERE THE MOST WICKED PEOPLE SHE EVER MET. WHEN BILL RANG THE INTERCOM THEY TURNED IT OFF. YOU JUST HAD TO BE THERE.. WE HAD LAWYERS AND CHILD ADVIOCATES FROM ALL WALKS. THE WT MADE FOOLS OF THEM SELVES..... IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO THE WT ...THEY NEVER SHOWED THE LOVE OF CHRIST....THE WT SHOWED WHAT THEY ARE.....SHIT!!!! I WILL LET THE OTHERS TELL THE FACTS. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY ....I WAS SURPRISED HOW HONEST THE SILENT LAMBS WERE....I'M NOT EASY TO IMPRESS.....JOHN

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28 Sep 2002
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My internet access here at home is almost at it's end but I would like to hear viewpoints concerning this MARCH. Appreciated the comments I just read by someone named John. Sounded like everything was orderly. I could not be there in person but I was thinking about those of you who were. I can access my email at my job so if anyone who was privileged enough to be in Brooklyn yesterday would care to send their thoughts my way I would be most grateful. My address is rosalyn52000@yahoo.ca My thoughts are with those that are persevering in this cause. rosalyn

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28 Sep 2002
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Can anyone give me a link to a real news organization that covered this march? John claims there was lots of press coverage for this 4 hour, 1,000 person march. If this is true, there must be a link or URL somewhere? Right? Or maybe it was just exaggeration? John H. in Dayton OH <--- Looking for hard facts!

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28 Sep 2002
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MESSAGE TO ALL SILENT LAMBS: LOOKS LIKE YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME IS OVER. THIS IS OLD NEWS. EVEN STORIES OF CATHOLIC ABUSE ARE BEING IGNORED BY THE MAINSTREAM PRESS. TIME TO RESUME YOUR PATHETIC LIVES - THE MANAGER AT BURGER KING IS WAITING FOR YOU TO CLOCK IN... STEVEI@KNOLOGY.NET - IN PANAMA CITY BEACH FLORIDA

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28 Sep 2002
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http://www.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/index.html No Coverage of the march...

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28 Sep 2002
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John, did you mean that only one hundred (100) showed up for the march? It didn't get any news coverage where I live. I'd like to know more about it -- preferably with photo and video coverage. Where can I find that?

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28 Sep 2002
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God was watching the march yesterday and that is the most important coverage there is. God is not impressed with numbers - that is a watchtower thing. God cares about one little lamb and the watchtower society cares about numbers. True or not true???? ******************soapbox/aka Claudine*************

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28 Sep 2002
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God was watching the march yesterday and that is the most important coverage there is. God is not impressed with numbers - that is a watchtower thing. God cares about one little lamb and the watchtower society cares about numbers. True or not true???? ******************soapbox/aka Claudine*************

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28 Sep 2002
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it was on the news at 10 pm on the wb ch 11 in ny and ch47 at 11 pm in nyas i said we had about 100 silent lambs at the march ...canadian tv was there,was well as radio and news papers.. there was a lady lawyer there she was taking cases and said she filed a case in oregon this week..her name is Kimberlee D. Norris western union building 314 main street suite 309 fort worth texas 76102 ph 817 335 2800 email kdnorris@airmail.net she asks any wt victims to get intouch with her. i spoke to the girl on dateline erica garza. one look at her and you could see she was not lying..you name the state we had supporters from there alot from florida panama city.tampa,calfi, mass,minnisota,arizona,wash,n.j.,n.y.texas yes texas etc etc.you all read the stories here and about some of the court cases..well i met some of these victims. and what they told me would break any reasonable persons HEART. IN EACH conversation they told me how the wtn covered it all up.and sent jws and lawyers to court for the molesters. some of it sounded like torture. i will let the lambs tell it them selves when they come home from n.y. i'm going to get the newspapers in n.y. now john in the bronx....ps RJ i was looking for you at the march ??was that you wearing the mask?? there are some pictures on j-w.com

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28 Sep 2002
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Did anyone see the movie: Shallow Hal? Hal had the ability to see people's true personalities not their outward appearance. Ever notice how this Guest Book does the same thing? Every comment from JW defenders is mocking and malicious. Never a shred of compassion for the victims, never a cry for justice, never a demand that the truth be told, no, they are just glad it is still covered up and hidden. They seemed to be filled with poison. Not, one kind Christian remark. Why?

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28 Sep 2002
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With my deep interest I read about the problems with Jehovah's witness. Pleas give me information what more groups, religious or not, have problems with child abuse in usa. Manfred Neumann Psychologist für Children and Teens. Berlin (Germany)

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Soapbox Claudine, my question was a simple one about the 100 as I was wondering if it was a typo and, perhaps, it was 1000. So, why would you make this into an argument? JOHN, thank you for a very humble and informative reply.

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Soapbox - numbers are important when you're trying to establish support. Goodness gracious - don't you know that one person can brutalize and murder hundreds of people and get tried for only one or two -- if it even gets that far? Besides that, God is watching everything and everyone as well as the heart's motivations and intentions. HOWEVER, it doesn't seem to be his custom to appear as a witness in court for anyone - not even Jesus Christ. Therefore, when trying to establish a case before humans and, at that, imperfect humans, one needs numbers to get their point across. We're living in times that most people have become numb to crime and victims unless it is so heinous that it cannot be ignored. So, numbers ARE important. They "tell" how much interest there is in something or how many victims there are -- to the people such ones want to get the appropriate attention from.

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28 Sep 2002
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I am so pleased that this is finally coming to light. I hope that you will put my story on here so i can call up my "parents" who are JW's and tell them to read it. Thank you so much. karen ann

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29 Sep 2002
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Much of the Watchtower religion is abuse. Don't question anything they say, and you will be a member in good standing. But what about your own self respect? Are you as a person that inferior to an organization that is made up from people, just like you and I? And God will not have any interaction with you unless you and He go and meet first at the Watchtower headquarters in Brooklyn New York USA??? I think not. People are listening to people here. Not God. Thank You

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There are some early posted pictures of the March and press conference from N. Y. at www.jehovahs-witnesses.com This is a discussion group forum "anything related to jw's. A mixture of current jw's and those who have left, disassociated ones and disfellowshipped as well. At that site, click on "friends", and there are pictures of the march. More will be posted soon, but some picture takers and videographers are just getting home, so please be patient.

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Hi Everyone: I haven't been here in 2-3 weeks. Just got back from the SILENT LAMBS MARCH ON BROOKLYN!!! IT WAS FANTASTIC! AWESOME! MIND-BOGGLING! MAGNIFICENT!! The LOVE & CAMARADERIE & BONDING experienced by everyone Melted Our Hearts! Wish you ALL could have been there! It was a GROUND-BREAKING experience! A total of 125 men, women, children, families participated in the March! There were 22 states represented from the USA. 80 remained and gathered for dinner at Park Plaza Restaurant within walking distance from our meeting spot at Pierrepont Park (BEAUTIFUL PLACE near the Promenade by the River! What a View!) Even though it was cloudy and overcast, IT DID NOT (and I repeat -- NOT) RAIN ALL DAY!!! (It rained that evening after everyone had finished dinner, and were back at their hotels safe and sound!) We placed approx. 160 stuffed toy lambs in the chain-link fence across the narrow street in front of 25 Columbia Heights!!! WHAT A SIGHT TO BEHOLD! There were more cameras and video recorders too numerous to count, so there will be LOTS & LOTS of pictures and video. Numerous TV stations were there: Univision (spanish), CNN, WB, CBS, etc. We saw ourselves that night on the 10 pm news (WB) and the 11 pm news (UNI). We only could watch one TV at a time in the hotel room that night, so we missed CNN and CBS, but the shuttle driver (who took us to Pierrepont Place earlier in the day) told us later: "I SAW YOU! I SAW YOU on CNN!!!" He exclaimed to those around the TV where he was watching: "THAT'S MY GROUP! I TOOK THEM TO THE MARCH THIS MORNING!!" :-) ----- It's almost 1 pm my time, and I haven't been over to JWD yet to see all the posts there, so I'm sure there's more news to be had. I'm heading there now, but stopped here first to give a little report. I just got in late last night (Saturday night). Bill & family are staying in NY a few days so we will get more news, I'm sure, when he gets back. --- How's Soapbox & Buster & RMK??? Oh! BTW, I met JOHN at the March! He was GREAT! While "marching" from the Park to the WT, 125 voices were chanting: SILENT LAMBS NO MORE! 2-3-4 SILENT LAMBS NO MORE! 2-3-4... -- and "J. R. BROWN MUST GO DOWN! 2-3-4 J. R. BROWN MUST GO DOWN! 2-3-4... --- It was JOHN who posts here who was pulling up the rear of the marching crowd by counting for us: 2-3-4. It was SO COOL! -- Barb & Joe Anderson were there, they are wonderful! Erica & her Mom! LOVE YOU! LAURIE F! LOVE YOU!! JEAN JEAN from NY! LOVE YOU LOVE YOU! KIM NORRIS! FANTASTIC LADY! Kelley from OK, LOVE YOU! K.B. & BARB, LOVE YOU! JESIKA!! LOVE YOU! "D" from Tampa, LOVE YOU! Larry, Mark, another John, Willie, Jeff, Mike & Kids, HUGS TO YOU ALL! Too many to remember or count! --- Later, gang, heading over to www.jehovahs-witness.com -- to see what's up over there, should be LOTSA pictures by now! (I took 3 rolls of film and used every one. Will take me 2 weeks to get the film developed and put on CD which I could then load-up to the net.) -- HUGS, SLC

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What's with the guestbook? It is show 2.4 MB's, took forever for the page to load in, and the last post says Sept. 19th - which is 10 days ago! Did we lose a bunch of posts again? -- My above post about the March may not even show up, if this Guestbook is not working-??? - SLC!

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TO THE LOCAL BROOKLYN PSYCHOTHERAPIST who walked up to me about 4 pm at PIERREPONT PARK to pick up his child from the day-care --- KEEP IN TOUCH! We want to hear what you have to say! You had grayish hair, checkered jacket. You walked up to me to ask what was our group all about? I explained we had "marched" on the Watchtower Society re: child sex abuse & their policies & their cover ups& their DF'ing of the victims, etc. etc. You replied: "GOOD! THEY ARE A CULT!" I told you about the database at HQ of the 23,000+ abusers on file. Then you asked me WHY the Brooklyn DA's Office was not investigating this? I said that's what we want them to do. Since Bill was standing nearby, I got Bill's attention and hooked up this Dr. with Bill and then they chatted awhile. I heard the Dr. say he has had clients who have experienced this. Then the Dr. spoke to one of the reporters who was standing there, and told her SHE should go straight down the street a few blocks to the Brooklyn DA's Office (the Dr. was giving her the address/directions) and that she should Interview the DA and ask him why nothing is being done about this legally?? The Dr. said it is election year and it would be the perfect timing to ask the politicians WHY they are NOT doing something about this! Bill gave the Dr. some fliers and papers with this website's info. So if the Dr. visits here and sees this, after you read this site, come on over to www.jehovahs-witness.com, as there are lots of posts & threads there, too, about this issue. My handle over there is GRITS, I'm the first lady you stopped and asked what we were doing there at the Park with our tee shirts, etc. -- Either way, THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN OUR CAUSE! /SLC (My handle HERE at the Guestbook is SLC = Silent Lambs Cheerleader). :-)

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29 Sep 2002
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:-( SO SORRY ALL OF YOU COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WITH US!!! IT WAS JUST TOO WONDERFUL!! We made NEW FRIENDS for LIFE! IT WAS JUST TOOOOO GREAT!!! /SLC VERY HAPPY! :-)

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29 Sep 2002
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OH! I forgot to tell you: WE HAD HUGE BANNERS & SIGNS. The BEST ONE was a HUGE BANNER, held up by two poles on each side of it, which were carried by two people holding each pole. The BANNER was way above everyone's heads. On one side of it, it read: "STOP WITNESS TAMPERING!" on the other side it read, "FBI: INVESTIGATE THE WATCHTOWER!" in HUGE LETTERS! It was SO COOL!! /SLC

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29 Sep 2002
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RJ I feel you are probably a Pedophile of young Boys and Girls, in fear of having your paradise removed, either that or your are some Kinky SOB that masturbates while abusing lambs on line. Either way I would ask you to take your problems to a therapist, some of us are too sick to be helped on this site and I believe you are one of these sick people, Silent Lambs Activity Committee Inc.

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29 Sep 2002
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My name is Maria and I'm 25. I am a former JW who left when I was 20 for reasons which I was bitter over. I am thankful for the actions you are taking in trying to help these victims. I am disgusted with what I've read on your website silentlambs. Since they've tried to hide this they've made it much worse for themselves now because what they've done contradicts their own teachings. I am thankful for Jehovah entering into my life and giving me morals and having been part of an organization who helped me learn about God and life. At the same time I don't agree with all of their teachings and the way in which the organization operates which is why I left. So I wish you all the best and I know God is on your side because he is a God of justice and love and would most certainly want justice to be done to all those victims of abuse. If there is anything you'd like to send me my e-mail is elena71177@aol.com

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29 Sep 2002
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To "Silent Lambs Activity Committee Inc.": Hey john, are you posting under a new name now ? How many in your "Committee" ? One ? You are the one that "masturbates" while posting crap on here with incredibly bad spelling and grammar. You can barely read or write, and you don't have the brain power to prove any of your lame arguments. Keep on tugging, boy.

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29 Sep 2002
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AP: BILL BOWEN LAUNCHES NEW WEB SITE! Bill Bowen, administrator of the silentlambs.org web site devoted to JW abuse issues has just launched a new web site for JW's and EX-JW's - you can find it at www.silentmasterbaters.org. Bill Bowen said today: "lambs, there is no need to struggle with your masturbation problem alone! Now you can talk to other masturbators on the all-new guest book". In related news, Bill Bowen also revealed today that he is gay.

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29 Sep 2002
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This is a wonderful haven for those especially who have been abused or fallen pray to the false message of the "cults". May God bless you as you reach out to the hurting . Blessings, Patti PalJn832@AOL.com

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30 Sep 2002
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30 Sep 2002
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Hello,just visiting for the moment in my research on JW's. Trying to help two of them at this time. Shannon Schneider e-mail bound2fly2002@yahoo.com

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30 Sep 2002
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I am signing this guest book on account of a very brave women I know and love. She has been an important part of my life since her son and I got together, and I just want to tell her that I love her very much and I am always here for her. She has gone through a lot of hurt and pain, and since she has joined the "Mint Green Ribbon" and "Silent Lambs" she is being saved and heard. Her feelings are well explained and she is able to speak how she feels, and help others too. My (soon to be) sister in-law and other members of the family have all been hurt by their past experiences with abuse, and what my mother in-law has been doing is making a change for the better in their lives and everyone else around her. She puts much mind and all of her heart to help every one and be there for every one that has been abused by loved ones. A few years back when I met her she was so depressed, always down and never feeling well. Than she met the man of her dreams.. (Papa) He lifted her up and made her better again, supported her and is always there for her and all of us. She was once told no to marry him because he was not a J.W.--- I am glad that she did not listen to them cause marrying him was the best move she made, because she only became this strong since then. Thank you Silent Lambs for being able to be there for her as she is for all of you. I am always here for her and her family, I love them all very much... But to feel and really understand what they have gone through, I never did so I couldn't, and you all could thanks... With Love always Wackywicked@aol.com Ma' I love you and I am here for you... Thank you for being in my life, Your son's and Your grand daughter. I will always support you and Michele.. I promise.

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30 Sep 2002
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30 Sep 2002
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yes i support silentlambs. my husband and his family are JWs and that's been hard to live with i don't allow my kids to have any part of it my e mail is princesscork68@aol

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30 Sep 2002
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My name is Nancy and I was a Jehovah's Witness for 10 years as a young adult. I consider myself a recovering JW, I say somewhat tongue in cheek. However, even though I've been out of it for 24 years, (thank you Father)....my heart is burdened to help others who have or are in this type of bondage. I was a victim of spousal abuse that was reported and ignored by the elders. I was the one who was chastised. I am excited about the work you are doing and I'd like to help where I can. My email is kingskid2@charter.net. God bless you for the work you are doing. Nancy

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30 Sep 2002
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30 Sep 2002
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09:29:03
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March Pictures: Rich, Jayson, John, and NP identified who are the other two? Click below. http://www.animaltime.net/monkeyfile/pic7.htm

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30 Sep 2002
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More March Pictures: Bill just barely got his finger out of his nose in time for this surprise picture. http://www.animaltime.net/monkeyfile/pic30.htm

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30 Sep 2002
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March Photos: This is a picture of Bill gathering his thoughts. http://www.abc-kid.com/chimp/index11.html

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30 Sep 2002
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March Photos: Two protesters get tired and decide to take a nap. http://www.abc-kid.com/chimp/index21.html

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30 Sep 2002
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09:55:34
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love this site, an x-jw

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30 Sep 2002
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10:09:15
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Say what you will but the marchers of September 27th were not the ones hiding behind a locked gate cowering inside a building.

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30 Sep 2002
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10:54:16
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As a practicing JW, I am appalled at the "monkey" photos and slams someone is posting here. Personally, I am in sympathy with the issues the abusers are raising. This happens in many different types of cases. Blame and silence are imposed on wives (I've never heard it being imposed on husbands -- perhaps because all the Elders are husbands), children with parents with issues other than sexual abuse, new people that haven't learned to think in matters according to the scriptures, and older ones with a lot of years as faithful servants of God. Matters are NOT handled with the promptness and spirit of Matthew 5 and 18 nor are they resolved in a win-win condition. The society will not interfere with elders in any matter and innocent people are tried and judged by elders in unreasonable and harsh manners, even when they are advised otherwise by "higher ups" because they know the society will not come in as an unbiased arbitrator and get down to the real facts, motives and intentions in a matter. However, you didn't see me at the march because too many anti-JW remarks can be seen here and, wanting to remedy these matters is one thing. Destroying JWs is another. I'm not interested in destroying JWs. I've been baptized for over 60 years now. I was converted in the concentration camp in Germany. As a Jew, I was warmed by the love and comfort the JW women gave me, even sharing their meager rations. I've seen a lot and learned a lot from lots of people. JWs are the only ones who, in spite of all these difficulties, have endeavored to bring Bible truth to people in all nations and have remained, as an organization, consistent in remaining neutral as the Bible represents God's people to be. I'm sure there would have been a greater show of support if it wasn't for the JW bashing here. It has done a tremendous disservice to the victims and all those JWs who would like to see changes within the organization and would have given support -- especially when it comes to giving elders power without accountability. Isn't that what the Nazi's did?-Deborah Shlimmer

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30 Sep 2002
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Even Moses came out, face to face, to meet with the people who were complaining.

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30 Sep 2002
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30 Sep 2002
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I'm sure the poster of the monkey photos must be mistaken. Those weren't the marchers. I'm pretty sure they were the Governing Body. You notice the zombie-like stare in their eyes, as well as the fact that they are nearly clone-like copies of each other? Yep, I'm positive. They are the Governing Body! Now, throw them a banana!

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30 Sep 2002
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Deborah Shlimmer- You are right. There is "bashing" on all sides. However, Silentlambs gives anyone and everyone who has a "stake in" or an "axe to grind" a place to find common ground. Some have said that all Pro Jehovah's Witnesses posts are against victims and hostile, that is not true. And anyone who speaks out against the WTBS is a demon, war monger, and wants to see the Jehovah's Witness movement "scraped off the face of the earth." That also is false. We have an opportunity to find common ground to say that child abuse, molestation, and the abuse of mates is wicked and wrong. To do so in the name of God is beyond words. No one should disagree with that. If the Body of Jehovah's Witness steps forward and says and follows through with their words, and actions, that they will never again be silent conspirators in the cover ups of the evil in their mists, then that will change everything. But first the Body needs to know what is going on in their names. I have so much respect for the brave people who carry the banner of the Silentlambs. I can not state that enough. Also, for the first time via this horrible issue I have met active Jehovah's Witnesses whom I can say I respect. I respect them because they put down the verbal bludgeons long enough to realize that I am not their enemy. We all have agendas. Each of us need to ask ourselves "What is yours?" Mine is to help those who call themselves "Silentlambs." If they are JW/EXJW or other is not relevant, and I don't even need to know. We are all people of God even if we deny Him that does not change where we came from. -Jayson

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30 Sep 2002
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Thank the Lord for the work you are doing. I and a few of my neighbors have sent letters to the local kingdom hall requesting no visits from their propagandizers. A couple came to the door on Saturday. I asked for their names and addresses. I did get their names (unless they lied) and I will be filing a complaint at the police station. I will protect my family from these people. I have seen what happens to families that lose members to this "organization". Can someone answer a question for me? Why don't JW men wear beards (like the Lord Jesus, as well as Charles Russell). Is there ANY bible reference for this? Or is this a man-made rule. What will happen to a male