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Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
00:32:26
Comments
Masturbation? Bills gay? Dammit, who let the 8th graders in
again! Geez, you guys are sooooo cool, you really got us this
time! I guess being gay and/or masturbating really is worse
than raping babies! Wow. Hooray for people like you. If your
over 15, I really, really feel bad for you. Did you get your
ass kicked on a regular basis in high school? Does your daddy
not love you? WAYYYYYY to much time on your hands. Shouldn't
you be out in service or something? Go volunteer at a suicide
hotline or a rape crisis center, perhaps a domestic violence
house. Oh, wait, I forgot, witnesses just do enough by handing
out literature. We know who you are, & your quotes here
will be reported to the elders! Then you'll really have some
time on your hands!
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
05:16:02
Comments
It was a privilege to be among the 125 on the 27th. I had
a chance to meet many wonderful people on that day - not only
the courageous survivors of abuse but also those who have
sacrificed so much to lend their support. I applaud the efforts
and mission statement of SilentLambs and hope that one day
the Society will implement the much-needed changes it recommends.
BB BbsStuff@aol. com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
05:20:23
Comments
I am happy to know that people are speaking out against a
religion that is so anti-Christian in their actions. I wish
I were brave enough to add my name. But here is another sad
example of Witness behavior. My mother and I had studied with
the witnesses for 9 years. In 1977 I was invited along on
a trip to the skate rink with a group of supervised teens.
One of the church elder's son was there. Even though I knew
I shouldn't, I went off with him and two other girls and boys.
I was naive and trusted him to do good. I was wrong-raped-terrified
of letting anyone know. I found out I was pregnant,he was
disfellowshipped. His best friend, also a witness offered
to marry me,(looking back,it was probably the church elder's
idea),which I did. For the brief time I stayed married to
him, I was continually reminded of my failure to call out,(I
had been knocked out),during the rape and told that I was
at fault. He was also very abusive. Not only that, but despite
their claims of honesty, the relationship with him, other
members and his grandparents was fraught with lies. I have
kept this largely a secret for many years. My son is wonderful
and I am so glad we left when we did. I can't even begin to
go into the psychological harm he suffered when they tried
to pull him back in to the religion 9 years later when I agreed
to let him see his Witness grandparents on the condition that
they not bring him to see his,(step), father until it was
settled in court,(he had tried to suffocate my son with a
pillow when he was 9 months old because he made too much noise
when he was trying to sleep-that's when I left), and they
lied to me about not giving him to his,(step), father too.
I am so glad to be away from those people and their religion.
I would like to excuse it with every group has some bad people
in it but I can't. In every congregation and Kingdom Hall,
I saw similar situations evolving or being hidden and I just
can't justify them. My neighbors have been studying for almost
a year now and I'd love to point out some of the websites
I have found,so that they may know there are two sides to
this, but they are too involved to see. Thank you-I feel better
for being able to share this. I love your web site, I feel
as though I am no longer alone :)
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
06:50:55
Comments
Still waiting to see all the press coverage other than backwoods
newspapers. Show me some CNN, some NBC, ABC, FOX something
for God's sake. If this stinking march was so big show me
some press!
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
06:58:55
Comments
You are doing a vital work. Ian White iwhite63@hotmail. com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
07:57:44
Comments
Hey everybody RJ is back! (Don't look so disappointed) I've
been on vacation for a week and just trying to get caught
up on all the posts and march news (or lack there of) Who
ever posted the links to the monkey pics that was pretty clever.
What are you trying to do steal some of the limelight from
me? So what's up with the low turnout? Everybody was expecting
such a big thing with national press coverage but I stayed
glued to all the news channels that day and the next but I
never saw a darn thing! What's up with that? SOAPBOX aka CLAUDIA
what's the deal with saying numbers aren't a big thing to
you guys? All I see when you first enter this site is 23,720.
Then there are all the posts with numbers. How many TV stations
did a piece on SL. How many newspapers did an article on SL.
You always mention the numbers when it comes to crap like
that! So numbers are important to you! You can bet your rose
colored glasses if there were 1,000 or 5,000 at the march
it would be broadcast with post after post of the good news!
But with such a poor turnout all the sudden numbers don't
matter only that God was looking. Hah!!!!!!! Who do you think
you are kidding? You are a hypocrite just like you say we
are! Lets see 100 or so out of 5,000 that Billy boy has said
have called him (the Popes right hand man) reporting abuse.
That's not a very good turnout in comparison with the throngs
of the so called abused. What's your explanation for this?
Did the elder mafia order hits on everyone that went to the
march? Or maybe it was some other crazy crapload of propaganda
laden excuses similar to this? I want to help anyone hurt
and abused also whether you believe it or not but I will do
so within the congregation. This is the wrong way. You guys
have a terrible chip on your shoulder that is about to get
knocked off. Can't you see that the way you are going about
it is futile? RJ
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
08:23:33
Comments
To Not Alone: Thank you for sharing your story. I am so sorry
about what happened to you and your son. The most important
vital aspect of silentlambs, to me, is that the ones who have
been harmed now know they are not alone or crazy or spiritually
weak and that you do not have to be silent any more. ****Have
you told your story to the neighbors? Or maybe you could print
a few of these stories for them to read. ***** Please know
that you can call Bill Bowen or email him if you need to talk
or need help. You can also write your story in the Abused
Lambs section of this web site. *****
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
09:50:45
Comments
I was in a congregation in So. California for 16 years. During
that time, a friend of mine's husband was found to be a child
molester. He was disfellowshipped several times, but always
reinstated. Now, at the time, we, of course, did not know
why he was disfellowshipped. And my kids played at their house
all the time, even spending the night. Years later, when I
found out why he kept getting disfellowshipped, I was appalled.
Every child in the congregation who had contact with this
guy was at risk. I was deeply disturbed and disappointed that
protecting the image of the society was more important than
protecting its members.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
10:05:43
Comments
There is an article in today's Dallas Morning News regarding
child abuse within the Highland Park Presbyterian Church.
For those of you who do not know this church is in an extremely
wealthy area of Dallas. Contrast this church's response
to abuse allegations to Watchtower's response (or lack
of one). Although the abuser is now dead, the CHURCH ITSELF
mounted an investigation that revealed DOUBLE the number of
victims. . . . . . Some excerpts: "This evidence was
more than compelling; it was overwhelming," the report
said. "At the close of the investigation, with the puzzle
pieces in place, the . . . [committee] is left with an inescapable
conclusion about which there can be no doubt," that Mr.
Pruitt molested 22 females, including three adults, a total
of "at least 48 times. " Their median age was 12
to 13. Two girls were not believed when they told other missionaries
that they had been molested by the kindly man who entertained
children with magic tricks and humor. For many, if not all,
of his victims, his abuse left lifelong injury," the
report said. The document also said Mr. Pruitt's wife, Virginia, "played
an active role in concealing the truth about her husband. " (IN
THE VICKI BOER CASE WATCHTOWER ARGUED THAT ELDERS DO NOT OWE
VICTIMS A DUTY OF CARE) notice the comment from Presbyterian
church Pastor: "We're trying to do whatever we can pastorally
for the alleged victims. "Those who feel they were abused
need to be cared for. " SHOULDN'T WE EXPECT MORE
FROM WATCHTOWER
http://www. dallasnews. com/latestnews/stories/100102dnmetabusereport. 9ab42. html
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
11:23:57
Comments
R. J - you are hopeless and one spiritually ugly guy and you
stand out like a sore thumb here. Are you really a JW??????
You sound like a pagan. Don't forget Jehovah watched while
these silentlambs were being raped and molested - that is
the "news" broadcast up to the heavens, just like
your posts look ugly, mean, petty, all the way up to the heavens.
You are broadcasting all the way up to the heavens how ugly
you are and the lack of love your heart projects. And you
are worried about us?????? Don't bother.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
12:41:37
Comments
If there is one thing I know, you cannot reason with a ridiculer.
I am tempted to reason with RJ - but proverbs says it will
only bring shame to try and do so. Experience has proven this
to be true - I have had lots of experience with ridiculers.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
12:42:45
Comments
Hooray, the watchtower society is in the limelight for pretending
their policy on child abuse works, now what about the mental
abuse we suffer for having a different thought to the GB,
and being kicked out as apostates! and telling us god hates
us, and we'll be destroyed by their killer God, Now that's
Abuse! www. antijehovahswitness. com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
13:36:28
Comments
To all those who were disfellowshipped because they didn't
scream when raped, there was an article about rape that PLAINLY
STATED that screaming wasn't required. It pointed out that
some women (or girls) may be so scared that they can't scream.
This isn't a case of someone being knocked unconscious. It's
a case of not being able to scream because of fear, etc. Being
knocked unconscious is even more reason for not screaming.
I'm into it with elders all the time because they don't know
what's in their own publications. Even those at H. Q. don't necessarily
know what's in their publications. You've got to do your own
homework and bring this stuff up -- if they let you. I know
of cases where they don't let you defend yourself or want
to know what you have to say. I looked but can't find that
article but I had a talk with an elder and he was saying that "if
she screams" and I told him that's not what the article
says. He apparently had it handy and he started reading it
aloud and he, too, realized that the article specifically
talked about cases where the victim couldn't scream. The biggest
trouble is we don't do our own research before seeking the
assistance of elders. We're looking to them to know what to
do or say and, in a lot of cases, they don't know because
they're not familiar with our publications. Oh, they may say
that's not true but I've had elders argue with me about information
in our very current magazines -- study articles to boot. I
don't like being at odds with people, especially the elders
or the society, but they contradict their own information
practice so much that I've finally come to realize that they
don't even know what's in our own publications. Therefore,
in specific matters, you better believe that I'm armed with
information that comes from our own publications and the scriptures
that support their statements. I'm sure there are some who'd
love to knock me out of the congregation or organization.
I'm a thorn in their flesh, so to speak. However, NO ONE EVER
TAUGHT ME THE BIBLE and ALL THE GOOD THINGS OF THE BIBLE but
Jehovah's Witnesses. I know this is the right organization.
The problem is some are trying to make it their own exclusive
paradise regardless of whom they harm. There was a child abuse
case in Georgia a couple of years ago and the society successfully
argued in court that they're not responsible because the abuser
was not in an appointed position. I strongly disagree and
I've said so. Now they want everyone to agree that they're
doing the right thing in this child abuse sham. I've made
it clear that I do not agree with what they're doing. I'm
not disfellowshipped but I'm sure they like to think I'm the
one that's not in the right, or crazy, or spiritually weak,
or whatever. No matter how hurt one is, they MUST do their
own research to find FROM THEIR OWN PUBLICATIONS the information
you need because the odds are (and it is a "toss up" when
it comes to what elders you have to deal with) that the elders
don't know this information and they didn't do any relevant
research, either. They apply a scripture or scriptures as
the letter of the law and ignore important information in
our publications that SHOULD help them exercise the scriptures
in the SPIRIT of the law. My opinion is that there are a bunch
of lazy ignorants running things -- for whatever reason or
excuse. YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW FOR YOURSELF IN EVERYTHING. Even
if you're going through a divorce or any secular legal matter,
you need to do research because you can't even trust an attorney
to do proper research and give you all the assistance that
is available to you. I am surviving as a Jehovah's Witness
because I know for myself what the Bible and publications
say and I don't make it a secret. I'm not obnoxious but no
one can pull anything over on me because when one is right,
they're right -- especially when you've got the proof there
for anyone to see in black and white in their own publications.
This organization will not die but someone isn't running it
right and it's important to find out who the apostate(s) is
and get rid of them. If what they're doing isn't scriptural,
then someone is abusing this organization. The result is that
the sheep are being abused -- in more ways than one. --Anonymous
Until It's Time
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
14:23:44
Comments
To all the new posters here. . . . Welcome. I am Linda Thoman.
We are here to help anyone who wants or needs someone to talk
to. If there is anything either Jesika or I can do to be of
help, please let us know. If you want/need contacts local
to you to talk to, let me know. If you would like to be a
part of a group who've been through it too, let me know. Don't
hesitate to email me or Jesika, my niece. Linthoman@hotmail. com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
14:23:55
Comments
To all the new posters here. . . . Welcome. I am Linda Thoman.
We are here to help anyone who wants or needs someone to talk
to. If there is anything either Jesika or I can do to be of
help, please let us know. If you want/need contacts local
to you to talk to, let me know. If you would like to be a
part of a group who've been through it too, let me know. Don't
hesitate to email me or Jesika, my niece. Linthoman@hotmail. com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:14:54
Comments
WOW, So much time devoted to this matter. I wonder if anybody
would take some time to go preach the word of GOD. If Someone
is abused they should go straight to the authorities if they
feel they should, nothing wrong with that. I guess the watchtower
doesn't have enough to do, that now they have to be district
attorneys too, how silly u all are. . . . . . just handle things
as u must. People inside the congregation have settled various
things using the judicial system, nothing wrong with that,
u all just wasting your time.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:28:19
Comments
Your march on 9/27 was a farce. See if it will help you or
anything else---it won't!See if it will hurt the JW's---it
won't. The are steps ahead of you and a whole lot smarter.
I heard you left a lot of litter there at Brooklyn. You relish
in the attention of the Media and that IS what's important
to you. I was wondering if you were ever going to be disfellowshipped
and now finally you are! Jehovah is just! That's what happens
to people who cause divisions in the Congregation. The bible
tells us that and you, an ex-witness and an ex-elder. ought
to know that. Another thing about df'ing. What the AP reported
what Anderson said about the Witnesses is a downright lie.
He is a liar and if he lied once he will lie again and has
lied before. Here is his quote about the JW's. "They
will not speak to you," Joe Anderson said. "I mean,
if you are lying on the road, they will drive right past you. " He
is right about not speaking to him. The bible tells the JW's
NOT to speak to those who have caused divisions in the Congregation.
The Bible tells us NOT to associate with those who do this
and those that are out of the Congregation. But as far as the
rest of what he said is like I said before. A downright lie.
You and other apostates ignore the Bible and you depend on
yourself Bowen to reach your conclusions and so do most of
the most one's without many smarts who post and read on here.
*bonnielyn 'Father' is not a name. It is a title. So to be
sure, God has a name. *bjc. . . you posted a great report. Thanks.
DC
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:38:02
Comments
http://safetypub. com/meagan. htm *** Megan'sLaw in All 50 States
*** On May 17, 1996, the President signed Megan's Law into
federal law. As a result, local law enforcement agencies in
all 50 states must notify schools, day care centers, and parents
about the presence of dangerous offenders in their area. ***
By forming partnerships with legislators, law enforcement,
the private sector, organizations and concerned citizens,
the world that we leave to the children will be safer and
more secure than the world we live in today. *** The best
source of information on the registered sex offenders in your
community is quite often your local sheriff's office or police
department. If a state's website does not represent your community,
you should check with local law enforcement. *** The number
of sex offenders by state as of 10/99: 324,924 *** Alabama
-- 2,063 Alaska -- 1,986 Arizona -- 9,800 Arkansas -- 1,688
California -- 82,597 Colorado -- 6,600 Connecticut -- 1,222
Delaware -- 855 Florida -- 13,000 Georgia -- 2,800 Hawaii
-- 1,100 Idaho -- 1,550 Illinois -- 11,500 Indiana -- 10,500
Iowa -- 3,000 Kansas -- 1,200 Kentucky -- 1,100 Louisiana
-- 4,000 Maine -- 269 Maryland -- 591 Massachusetts -- 8,000
Michigan -- 24,000 Minnesota -- 9,000+ Mississippi -- 1,496
Missouri -- 5,500 Montana -- 2,100 Nebraska -- 800 Nevada
-- 5,000 New Hampshire -- 1,784 New Jersey -- 6,000 New Mexico
-- 700 New York -- 9,091 North Carolina -- 3,650 North Dakota
-- 781 Ohio -- 2,720 Oklahoma -- 3,000 Oregon -- 9,0002 Pennsylvania
-- 3,021 Rhode Island -- 250 South Carolina -- 3,370 South
Dakota -- 1,000 Tennessee -- 4,000 Texas -- 22,499 Utah --
4,400 Vermont -- 1,218 Virginia -- 7,480 Washington -- 15,289
West Virginia -- 807 Wisconsin -- 11,000 Wyoming -- 630 ***
Sex Offender Registration & Community Notification Internet
Access 12/07/99. The best source of information on the registered
sex offenders in your community is quite often your local
sheriff's office police department. If a Website does not
represent your community, you should check with local law
enforcement. The following is a list of the most recent updated
online information regarding registered sex offenders. Alabama:
http://www. gsiweb. net/ Alaska: http://www. dps. state. ak. us/Sorcr/
Arizona: http://www. azsexoffender. com/ Note - (This site does
not contain information on all convicted sex offenders! Information
is only provided for level 2 or level 3 sex offenders released
from jail/prison or sentenced to probation on or after June
1,1996. ) Yuma: http://www. ci. tucson. az. us/police/sort1. htm
Arkansas: http://www. acic. org/registration/04-registered_sex_offenders. html
(Information Only) California: http://www. sexoffenders. net/
(Not an official State Webpage) Also: Child Molester Hotline
Number ~ 900-463-0400 ($10 per call).
Connecticut: http://www. state. ct. us/dps/Sor. htm
Delaware: tp://www. state. de. us/dsp/sexoff/index. htm Florida:
http://www. fdle. state. fl. us Hollywood PD
http://www. hollywoodfl. org/hpd/sexpred/sexpred. htm
Osceola County Sheriff http://www. osceolasheriff. org/sexpred/Default. htm
Polk County http://polksheriff. org/wanted/ Royal Palm Beach
http://legal. firn. ed/muni/rpalmbch/offenders. html Seminole
County http://www. seminolesheriff. org/sex_offenders/sex_offender_register. html
Tallahassee PD http://www. state. fl. us/citytlh/tpd/cid/predator. html
Georgia: http://www. ganet. org/gbi/sorsch. cgi Atlanta PD
http://atlantapd. org/arrests/arrest. html
Columbia County http://www. columbiacountyso. org/offenders. htm
DeKalb County http://www. dekalbsheriff. org/regnames3. html
Floyd County http://www. romegeorgia. com/Sheriff/sexoffenders. htmlWhitfield
County http://www. wcso. com/so_index_page_two. html Idaho: Ada
County: http://www. adasheriff. org/sexoffenders. htm Illinois:
Cook County, IL: http://www. ccspd. org/sexreg. htm Chicago,
IL: http://12. 17. 79. 4/ DuPage County, IL http://www. dupageco. org/sheriff/
Kane County, IL http://www. co. kane. il. us/sao/sexoff/sofind. html
Kankakee County IL http://www. keynet. net/%7Epatrol/sexoffender. html
Lake County IL: http://www. co. lake. il. us/sheriff/sexoffnd/index. htm
McLean County, IL http://www. mclean. gov/sheriff/list. htm St.
Clair County, IL: http://www. sheriff. co. st-clair. il. us/sexofd. htm
Indiana: http://www. ai. org/cji/html/sexoffender. html Kansas:
http://www. ink. org/public/kbi/search. html
Labette County http://www. geocities. com/Heartland/Plains/3524/sex. html
Sedgwick County http://www. sedgwick. ks. us/sheriff/index. html
Michigan: http://www. mipsor. state. mi. us
Macomb County: http://www. jaye. org/MACPSOR. html
Muskegon County: http://www. mlive. com/news/crimes/faces. html
Minnesota: St. Paul PD http://www. stpaul. gov/police/sexoff. html
New Mexico: http://www. nmsexoffender. com
New York: http://www. parentsformeganslaw. com/
North Carolina: http://sbi. jus. state. nc. us/sor/ Ohio: Greene
County: http://www. co. greene. oh. us/sxoffendr. htm Stark County:
http://www. sheriff. co. stark. oh. us/pr01. htm University of Akron:
http://www. uakron. edu/police/sexoff. htm Oklahoma: Blaine County:
http://www. pldi. net/~blaineso/blaine_county_sexual_predator_pa. htm
Enid PD: http://www. enid. org/police/registered. htm Oregon:
Benton County: http://www. co. benton. or. us/sheriff/corrections/bccc/sonote/
Yamhill County: http://www. co. yamhill. or. us/correct/ The Sex
Offender Network and Oregon's Special Sex Offender Strategies
South Carolina: http://www. scattorneygeneral. com/public/registry. html
Tennessee: http://www. ticic. state. tn. us/
Texas: http://records. txdps. state. tx. us/dps/default. cfm
Balch Springs PD: http://www. bspd. com/public/sexoff. html Collins
County: http://www. co. collin. tx. us/sheriff/sxoffen. htm Duncanville
PD: http://www. ci. duncanville. tx. us/framespage. htm Garland
PD: http://www. ci. garland. tx. us/police/gpdsex. htm Farmers
Branch PD: http://www. ci. farmers-branch. tx. us/police/sexoffend/index. htm
Virginia: http://sex-offender. vsp. state. va. us/cool-ICE/ Washington: Cowlitz
County: http://www. co. cowlitz. wa. us/
Island County: http://www. islandcounty. net/sheriff/sex-map. htm
King County: http://www. metrokc. gov/sheriff/sxoffsch. htm Okanogan
County: http://okanogancounty. org/Sheriff/soffend. htm Wahkiakum
County: http://www. geocities. com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7649/ Renton:
http://www. ci. renton. wa. us/police/sexlevl3. htm TriCities:
http://www. tri-cityherald. com/sexoffenders/ West Virginia:
http://www. wvstatepolice. com Wisconsin:
Madison PD http://offender. doc. state. wi. us/public/
Toll Free Registry Hotline, in English and Spanish 1-800-398-2403
Another good online source of information is:
http://www. wolfenet. com/
~dhillis/sexoffen. htm
Wyoming: http://www. state. wy. us/~ag/dci/so/so_registration. html
Converse County http://www. state. wy. us/~ag/dci/so/counties/so_converse. html
Fremont County http://www. state. wy. us/~ag/dci/so/counties/so_fremont. html
Laramie County http://www. state. wy. us/~ag/dci/so/counties/so_laramie. html
Natrona County http://www. state. wy. us/~ag/dci/so/counties/so_natrona. html
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:42:31
Comments
I don't get it, did anybody bother to see what the watchtower
encourages people to do? obviously not, perhaps u should read
watchtower january 1st 1995 page 11. simple explanation: 2
sides to each problem, in the congregation, and outside the
congregation. Outside the congregation someone is free to
make an accusation against someone if its a brother and take
them to court if they see fit, the proper authorities investigate
that. now inside the congregation: (now come on guys we all
know how this works) just cause u make an accusation that
is not enough to punish someone, do you have proof? do u have
witnesses? if the person does not confess there are no grounds
to punish him, only based on your word, including child abuse.
Very simple huh? now are the elders going to tell the whole
hall about it? or the authorities? OF course not, innocent
un till proven guilty. now do u still want to report that person
to the authorities? YES? well its your right, go on have a
ball. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:47:02
Comments
***********THE MOLE*********Info update. I thought I would
return one MORE time just to let you know that the couple
who questioned the elders in our hall was removed as apostates.
I did get another letter from Brother Franz and he stated
that he is saddened over the crisis that he heard only rumors
of long ago from some large cities but not the magnitude of
what was being addressed on TV. Much of his knowledge are
those who were wrongfully accused for questioning the society's
reasoning. I on the other hand seen things as I have reported
before that was just horrible and swept under the rug. After
the Connie Chung report it is clearly evident that the brothers
now want to sweep this under the rug also. Basically the subject
is being ignored in our hall and anyone who speaks of it is
ignored and spoken of as being spiritually weak. The grind
stone has crushed and bullied many to remain silent so the
matter will just blow away and forgotten. It saddens me that
I have no power to control or will it to help those in need.
All I can do is advised those current members to be weary
and keep an eye open. I meet with several now in our homes
to have study and question the things the brothers want us
to feel they the have power over us. Reading is power, I shall
break the chains of my past and become free. . . . . . . . . *********THE
MOLE*********
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:54:11
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http://www. paloaltodailynews. com/projs/megan/ *** WHY MEGAN'S
LAW DOESN'T WORK *** Law to Protect Children Often Frustrates
Parents *** Dec. 19, 2000 © 2000 Palo Alto Daily News
*** BY ELAINE GOODMAN AND EMILY RICHMOND DAILY NEWS STAFF
WRITERS *** When Redwood City resident Hamilton Woods heard
that a sex offender had moved into his Friendly Acres neighborhood,
the father of four decided to find out more about his new
neighbor. *** Woods knew the sheriff's department had a statewide
listing of sex offenders known as the Megan's Law database.
*** But knowing about the list was easier than getting to
it. *** To see the list, Woods had to drive to downtown Redwood
City during working hours, sign a form saying he was not a
sex offender, and wait behind a security window as a sheriff's
department employee ran a criminal background check on him
and photocopied his driver's license. *** When that was over,
Woods was taken to a special booth and given 15 minutes to
wade through dozens of names and photos of sex offenders living
within his zip code, and attempt to identify his new neighbor
from the mug shots. *** To make matters worse, he wasn't allowed
to take notes. *** Overwhelmed, Woods gave up on his search.
*** "It's useless information unless you have a good
memory and hours and hours to sit there," Woods said.
*** Megan's Law was intended to give the public better access
to information about sex offenders in their midst. But four
years after it was passed by the California Legislature, residents
don't know the database exists, don't bother to use it or,
like Woods, find the system cumbersome and ineffective. ***
Even supporters of the system -- including the state attorney
general's office -- admit that too few people use the database.
*** While state records show 29,000 people viewed the database
last year, and an estimated 100,000 have seen it since its
inception, that's still only a minute fraction of the state's
34 million residents, according to Mike Van Winkle of the
attorney general's office. *** "We acknowledge more people
out there could use it," Van Winkle told the Daily News.
*** The San Mateo County Sheriff's Office in Redwood City
had 213 people show up last year to view the database, or
fewer than one each working day. *** Officials in Palo Alto
and San Mateo, two cities that allow the public to view the
database at the police station, say only a few visitors stop
in to view the registry each month. *** Those who have been
following the evolution of the database say it isn't doing
what it was intended to do. *** "What wasn't taken into
consideration was the abject laziness of the population," said
Marc Klaas, father of 12-year-old murder victim Polly Klaas
and a child safety advocate. "People don't want to go
all the way down to the police station to query the CD-ROM. " ***
Megan's Law has also been blasted by criminal rights advocates,
who say the public database marks offenders with a lifetime "scarlet
letter. " *** "I have a lot of sympathy for the people
being hounded for the rest of their lives," said Stephen
Elrick, a senior trial lawyer with the Santa Clara County
Alternate Defender Office. Elrick is representing Franklin
Means, a former Burlingame building inspector accused of child
molestation. *** "Let's face it, if (police) have got
an unsolved sex case, whose cage do you think they're going
to start rattling?" Elrick said. *** Meanwhile, the number
of registered sex offenders in California has climbed to 87,000,
or roughly one in every 180 adult men. *** And just two months
ago, an 8-year-old East Palo Alto girl on her way to a Halloween
party was snatched off the street by a stranger on a bike
who raped and then abandoned her, according to police reports.
*** What is Megan's Law? *** Megan's Law is named after Megan
Kanka, a 7-year-old New Jersey girl who was raped and murdered
in 1994 by a convicted sex offender who moved in across the
street without her family knowing. *** The law, which requires
local law enforcement agencies to notify communities about
potentially dangerous sex offenders in their midst, was signed
into federal law by President Clinton in May 1996. *** Before
Megan's Law, California has required sex offenders since 1950
to register with police every time they move to a new community.
But although police had records on the whereabouts of sex
offenders, the information wasn't available to the public.
*** Now, every state in the nation has a version of Megan's
Law on the books, with varying requirements. Twenty-three
states make a sex offender database available to the public
on the Internet. Florida's database on the Internet includes
sex offenders' home addresses. *** In California, residents
must visit a sheriff's office or police station to view the
database. There, they can search for sex offenders by name,
zip code or birth date. *** California's database includes
photos for most offenders, a list of sex offenses they've
been charged with, aliases they use and whether they have
scars or tattoos. *** While people convicted of nearly any
sex crime must register with police, the public can only view
information on offenders considered serious or high-risk.
A third category, simply called "other," includes
those convicted of lesser sex crimes, such as exhibitionism
or incest. *** The sex offender registry can also be searched
by calling a 900 number set up by the state. It costs $10
to check two names. *** Note-taking prohibited *** Sheriff's
departments in every county are required to make the Megan's
Law database available to the public, as are cities with population
greater than 200,000. *** Palo Alto and Mountain View have
opted to provide public access to the database even though
they're not required to do so. *** In San Mateo County, the
city of San Mateo lets its residents view the registry. ***
But residents of smaller cities -- including East Palo Alto,
Menlo Park and Burlingame -- are referred to the sheriff's
office in Redwood City if they want to view the database.
*** That means a trip to downtown Redwood City during working
hours, finding a parking space and then passing through an
airport-style metal detector to get into the county government
center. *** Prospective database viewers must sign a form
saying they're not sex offenders themselves. Then they wait
behind a security window while a staff member makes a copy
of their driver's license and checks their criminal background.
*** Then the viewer is led to a special booth with a sliding
plastic door that is set up next to the front desk. A glass
window into the booth lets the desk clerk on duty keep an
eye on the person using the database, and a digital timer
placed in the window counts down the 15-minute session. ***
If the viewer takes out a pen and paper and starts taking
notes, the desk clerk will tell him or her to stop. Under
Megan's Law, members of the public who copy or distribute
information from the database can be charged with a misdemeanor
and spend up to a year in jail. *** And police or sheriff's
departments have the discretion to ban note taking or set
a time limit, according to Van Winkle of the attorney general's
office. Those who visit the attorney general's office to see
the database can take notes, Van Winkle said. *** San Mateo
residents can view the sex offender database by appointment
at the police station on Delaware Street. It usually takes
one day to get in to see the records after making the appointment.
*** Andrea Lozano, the police department's information services
supervisor, sits next to the resident using the database on
a computer terminal inside an office, giving tips on searching
the records and making sure nothing is written down. *** Law
enforcement officials say the many restrictions placed on
using the database are so that viewers comply with its intent
-- to allow residents to protect themselves and their families
from sexual predators. *** The fear is that wider dissemination
of the sex offender information -- such as by posting it on
the Internet -- would make it easy for sex offenders to network
and share strategies, according to the attorney general's
Web site. *** Van Winkle said wider distribution of the information
could lead to vigilantism. *** For example, East Palo Alto
residents who found out a paroled rapist had moved into their
neighborhood successfully drove the man away. Jack Manes,
who was nicknamed the "doggie door rapist" because
he invaded homes through pet doors, asked police to move him
out of East Palo Alto in November 1998 after demonstrations
erupted outside his home. *** While some say the prospect
of visiting the sheriff's office discourages many would-be
viewers, Burlingame Police Chief Gary Missel said the trip
wouldn't stop parents who are concerned about the safety of
their children. *** "It wouldn't be too inconvenient," Missel
said. *** And Missel said the database isn't the only way
residents can get information about sex offenders. He said
residents are welcome to call their local police department
to discuss concerns about someone they think might be a sexual
predator. *** Some successes *** Megan's Law has scored some
successes. *** In a well-publicized incident after California
enacted Megan's Law, parents in San Bernardino spotted a longtime
Little League coach on the sex offender registry after rumors
began circulating that he had a history of child molestation.
A sheriff's investigator then began questioning Little Leaguers
and found that Norman Watson had been molesting boys for the
past eight years. He was ultimately convicted of 39 counts
of lewd acts with children and was sentenced to 84 years in
prison. *** Nathan Barankin, spokesman for Attorney General
Bill Lockyer, admits there's no way of knowing how many sex
offenders are stopped from committing new crimes. *** The
best evidence Lockyer has that Megan's Law is doing some good
is the response from people who view the database at booths
set up at state and county fairs, Barankin said. *** Barankin
said viewers often see people they know. *** "They're
shocked. It came as a surprise," Barankin said. *** Van
Winkle, also of the attorney general's office, estimated that
one in every seven or eight people who view the database at
the fair recognizes someone they know. *** Safety versus privacy
*** The crafters of Megan's Law tried to strike a balance
between the public's. right to know about sex offenders in. their
midst and the offender's right to privacy. *** Users of the
public database sign an agreement that the information is
to be used only "to protect themselves and their children
from sex offenders. " Officials say the ban on taking
notes from the database is a further protection of offenders'
privacy. *** But some say the law doesn't do enough to protect
the rights of people who have already served their sentence.
*** "This registration is like wearing the scarlet letter
and it has become an instrument of social ostracism," said
John Webster, an unsuccessful Libertarian candidate in last
month's election for the state Senate seat that represents
San Jose and Sunnyvale. Webster was convicted of child pandering
in 1990. "There's no way you can go out and be an accepted
member of your community once your name is on this list. " ***
Webster, a San Jose resident, told the Daily News he answered
a personal ad from the "swingers" classified section
of a weekly newspaper and began having lengthy telephone conversations
with the woman who placed the ad. *** During the conversations
Webster mentioned that he had wished his own parents had been
more open with him about sex and that if he ever met the woman
he would consider letting her "educate" his own
son, Webster said. The "woman" turned out to be
a San Jose police officer and Webster was arrested. *** The "offer" of
his son was nothing more than a continuation of the telephone
fantasy, Webster said. And since his ex-wife has custody of
his two children and Webster is only allowed supervised visits,
such a meeting with the woman from the personal ad would be
impossible, he said. *** Despite this, Webster pleaded no
contest to the charge of child pandering in exchange for a
promise that he wouldn't have to register as a sex offender.
But six years later, when Megan's Law was passed in California,
Webster was informed that he would have to register after
all. Webster refused and took the case to court. After his
former public defender testified that the deal had indeed
been struck, Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge John
Ball ruled that Webster would be exempt from registering.
*** Vigilante fears *** Just as criminals are sentenced to
prison for specific amounts of time, Webster said there should
be an expiration date to an offender's listing on the Megan's
Law database depending on the crime. *** "There has to
be some kind of recourse for second chances," Webster
said. "Otherwise you're essentially destroying people's
lives, and I don't see what that has to do with protecting
kids. " *** It's an argument that's been the rallying
point of the American Civil Liberties Union's opposition to
Megan's Law -- the illegality of double jeopardy, or punishing
someone twice for the same crime. *** And the ACLU argues
the database encourages vigilantism. *** Elizabeth Schroeder,
an attorney and director of the ACLU of Southern California,
has questioned whether the purpose of the notification laws
are to let the public "vent its anger at sex offenders,
like a stoning in the Bible. " The ACLU says it's against
notification laws because it won't prevent sex offenders from
committing new crimes and rehabilitated former offenders have
no chance at a fresh start. *** Law enforcement officials
argue that sex offenders are extremely likely to commit the
same offenses again, and so extra safeguards are needed. *** "They
have a real poor record of rehabilitation," said Burlingame
Police Chief Gary Missel. *** But Missel acknowledged the
public database would be "one heck of a hindrance" for
an offender who is truly trying to reform. *** Dr. Douglas
Tucker, a forensic psychiatrist who evaluates sex offenders
for the state prison system to see if they're fit for release,
said Megan's Law is "useless. " *** When people find
out there's a sex offender in the neighborhood, the usual
response is suspicion and prejudice, Tucker said. *** "That
just makes it more difficult for the offender to develop healthy
relationships and forces them to remain in a deviant lifestyle," said
Tucker, also an assistant professor at the University of California,
San Francisco. *** When people check the list and don't find
any offenders in their neighborhood they get a false sense
of security, Tucker said. *** "There's a far greater
number of sex offenders who are out there than just the names
on the database," Tucker said. "Some people are
never caught, and they're out there just the same. " ***
List unknown to many *** A major factor working against the
Megan's Law database is that many people don't know it exists.
*** A Peninsula father whose son was molested by Robert Hunter
Wilson of Menlo Park told the Daily News he didn't know about
the public database before his son was attacked. *** "Megan's
Law could be a valuable resource, but I don't think enough
people know about it," the father said. "I certainly
regret not going and checking it out when Wilson first came
into our lives. " *** Wilson, an attorney who has resigned
from the state bar, was fired from his job as a prosecutor
in Sacramento County after he molested two boys in 1979. He
spent a year in a locked mental ward -- then the standard
punishment for child molesters. *** In 1991, he was prosecuted
by San Mateo County District Attorney Jim Fox for failing
to register as a sex offender. Fox discovered the lapse when
Wilson was defending several men charged with importing children
for sex. While Wilson was acquitted of the charge, Fox called
it "ludicrous" that Wilson wouldn't have known he
was required to register. *** Mike Piha, president of the
Palo Alto Little League and Palo Alto Knights junior football
program, said he didn't know the Megan's Law database was
available at the police station. Most of the people who volunteer
with the two sports leagues are parents of players, Piha said.
The other volunteers must provide three references which are
checked, Piha said. *** When a parent suggested last year
that more thorough background checks be performed, other parents
balked, Piha said. *** "Some people saw it as an invasion
of privacy," Piha told the Daily News. *** Weaknesses
in Law *** Another hole in the Megan's Law system is that
only those who have been convicted of a serious sex crime
are listed. Many molestation cases involve perpetrators with
no sex crimes on their criminal records. *** Richard Allen
Davis, the convicted killer of Polly Klaas, had no prior convictions
for sex offenses and wouldn't have been on the public database
had it been available when the girl was kidnapped from her
Petaluma home in 1993, according to her father. *** Marc Klaas
said that although Davis had been charged with a previous
sex crime, the charge was dropped as part of a plea bargain.
*** But listing people suspected of committing sex crimes
on the database -- rather than only convicted offenders --
would face staunch opposition from civil libertarians. ***
Davis was also a drifter, and may have been hard to find on
the database if someone checked by zip code, which is the
only location given for offenders. Sex offenders are required
to reregister with police when they move, but some may not
comply. *** It's not uncommon for sex offenders to move frequently
-- in part to avoid harassment, said Santa Clara County Sheriff's
Sgt. Bob Schiller of the county's Megan's Law enforcement
division. There are also sex offenders who are transients
and must reregister every 90 days, Schiller said. *** The
database is updated monthly and therefore doesn't show changes
of address that have occurred more recently. *** "The
database may say John Smith lives at 123 Main St. , but it
turns out John Smith moved out a month ago and we have no
idea where he is," Schiller said. *** Palo Alto police
Detective Jean Bready said she knows several sex offenders
who register in Palo Alto during the summer and spring months
but go to Sunnyvale in the winter when the National Guard
Armory shelter opens. *** What about the Internet? *** As
an increasing number of states post their sex offender databases
on the Internet, a debate is brewing over whether California
should do the same. *** Officials are leery of going online
with the database, fearing the law will then get knocked down
in court by privacy advocates. So far, California's version
of Megan's Law has withstood court challenges. *** And the
attorney general's office claims that an Internet listing
would make it too easy for sex offenders to network with one
another. *** James Sibley, a prosecutor with the Santa Clara
County District Attorney's Sexual Assault Unit, said sex offenders
do seek each other out. *** "There's no question pedophiles
are using the Internet to find each other and share ideas," Sibley
said. "For them, it normalizes their behavior when they
can find someone else who's doing the same things. " ***
Pedophiles will use chat rooms and Web sites to direct each
other to park locations, give names of social service agencies
looking for "big brothers" and even direct each
other to the nearest video arcades and shopping malls, Sibley
said. *** But State Sen. Jackie Speier, who was one of the
co-authors of Megan's Law when she was in the state Assembly
in 1996, said the pluses of moving the database to the Internet
outweigh the minuses. *** "Information should be made
available to the public with the least effort required," Speier
said. "Otherwise it's not truly public disclosure. " ***
Some police departments are posting maps on their Web sites
that show the general location where sex offenders are residing.
Palo Alto posts such a map, as does Pleasanton. *** Palo Alto
shows where sex offenders live by marking the map with house
symbols. Most of the sites are in south Palo Alto, with. the
exception of a residential hotel and a low-income apartment
complex in the downtown area. *** Attorney General Lockyer
hasn't taken a position on posting the sex offender registry
on the Internet. "What the Attorney General supports
is making this information much more accessible to the public," said
Barankin, Lockyer's spokesman. *** But Hamilton Woods, the
Redwood City resident who couldn't find out if he had a neighbor
who is a sex criminal, has no doubt that access to the Megan's
Law database needs to be expanded. *** "There's only
one computer in the whole city," Woods said. "That's
not really giving people access to the information. "
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
16:55:37
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Please go to http://www. google. com and type in Meagan's Law
for the search. A lot of information comes up here.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
17:50:45
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AP: BILL BOWEN LAUNCHES NEW WEB SITE! Bill Bowen, administrator
of the silentlambs. org web site devoted to JW abuse issues
has just launched a new web site for JW's and EX-JW's - you
can find it at www. silentmasterbaters. org. Bill Bowen said
today: "lambs, there is no need to struggle with your
masturbation problem alone! Now you can talk to other masturbators
on the all-new guest book". In related news, Bill Bowen
also revealed today that he is gay. [APNEWS] Masturbation?
Bills gay? Dammit, who let the 8th graders in again! Geez,
you guys are sooooo cool, you really got us this time! I guess
being gay and/or masturbating really is worse than raping
babies! Wow. Hooray for people like you. If your over 15,
I really, really feel bad for you. Did you get your ass kicked
on a regular basis in high school? Does your daddy not love
you? WAYYYYYY to much time on your hands. Shouldn't you be
out in service or something? Go volunteer at a suicide hotline
or a rape crisis center, perhaps a domestic violence house.
Oh, wait, I forgot, witnesses just do enough by handing out
literature. We know who you are, & your quotes here will
be reported to the elders! Then you'll really have some time
on your hands. (<---- masturbator)
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
18:12:57
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HaHAHAHAHAHAHA you apostate wankers your march sucked and
you only proved you're a bunch of gays and prostitutes. Are
you happy? Are you proud now you've started your own cult
under the leadership of your grand "masturbator",
Bill B. ? Gather 'round to take the milk from flaccid Bill
B. ! Gather all the lambs to the great circle-jerk!
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
19:05:07
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Re: I don't get it, . …. . Okay, I'll explain
IT to you. Question: Why should ALL acts of sexual abuse by
reported to the authorities? (Regardless of the abuser DENYING
the charge, regardless of having only one witness: the VICTIM,
regardless of the elders opinion of guilt or innocence) …… Okay
follow along; we are going to talk about Federal Rules of
Evidence admitted in criminal prosecution. Evidence of Other
Acts of Sexual Assault or Molestation by Perpetrator IS Admissible
for any Relevant Purpose under New Federal Rules. Evidence
of other sexual offenses may be admitted regardless of whether
the charge or accusation led to a conviction. (Rules 413,
414 and 415 of the Federal Rules of Evidence) WHY is this
law important? ) In support of the new rules, advocates argued
that a history of similar acts in child molestation cases,
for example, tends to be probative because it demonstrates
an unusual disposition that does not exist in ordinary people.
In addition, the difficulties proving cases of child sexual
abuse were cited to Congress . . . . . . . So do you get it
now? Child abusers molest again and again and again in the
congregation or in the neighborhood. If the first victim does
NOT report the crime then the molester may not be convicted
if charged with a second offense. Very simple you say? Yes,
very simple to apply Watchtowers rules if you are protecting
Pedophiles rather than Children.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
19:20:26
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To HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- I'm not agreeing anyone here is a prostitute.
You demonstrate a total lack of compassion and understanding
for humans -- their mental and emotional needs. Being a victim
doesn't make one stupid or immoral and certainly doesn't warrant
their being called derogatory names! -- What would you call
Rahab, the PROSTITUTE that became an ancestress of Jesus Christ,
himself. Apparently, Jehovah God doesn't ridicule prostitutes,
so why would you?
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
19:38:42
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FIRST, the ELDERS have NO BUSINESS knowing anything about
anyone IF MATT. 5 OR MATT. 18 hasn't been followed with the
right spirit and intentions. If MATT. 5 or 18 has been correctly
followed, then one needs to take 2 or 3 witnesses with them
to establish the matter. These witnesses, according to the
society's own publications, DO NOT HAVE TO BE ELDERS. They
should be people FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEM. NOW, we have a
difficulty. HOW CAN ONE BRING 2 OR 3 WITNESSES FAMILIAR WITH
THE PROBLEM if they DON'T KNOW ANYONE that KNOWS ABOUT THE
PROBLEM (especially in the matter of CHILD ABUSE)? To me,
it means that a parent or parents of another or other abused
children should be coming with the one that approached an "offender" and
wasn't successful between them alone and confidentially. If
elders get involved as witnesses and a person denies the allegations,
it is my opinion that EVEN INSIDE THE CONGREGATION, they should
make a covert investigation. I don't think investigations
should be left up to the secular authorities only. Besides
that, since it appears that the elders ALREADY KNOW that one
or another is a child molester, they have MOUNTING EVIDENCE
that that person is a problem and a danger to the others in
the congregation. That cannot be treated as here say or insufficient
evidence. Of course, if an elder or elders themselves are
responsible for child abuse, you wouldn't expect them to make
a big to do about child molestation, would you? Of course
not. They'd poo-poo it and minimize it to seem as though it's
not as bad as it seems. My bible training taught me to reason
situations out. How would you like to be treated as though
your mind and heart don't matter? So, to the paralyzed minds
that are posting such idiotic ridiculing of the victims, get
a brain that lets you reason on matters.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
19:41:56
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Hah hah hah Mole is gonna dig himself a hole. Kiddin' Mole.
One other reason Bill Bowen is doing this so called service
to the world besides grabbing media attention is because----------he
LOVES to hug and get all the attention from the girls who
supposedly were abused. Yup, he loves those hugs!!
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
20:00:34
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To the IDIOT that continues to post SLANDEROUS remarks about
Bill and who pretends that he is posting AP news articles:
I have a question. Do you realize that your IP address is
recorded with each post you make? Do you know that your identify
is not actually hidden? Slander is a civil offense. Do you
think your host provider would be interested that their customer
vilifies a Sexual Abuse Victim's Support Website? How do
you intend to protest your innocence: Will you explain you
slandered the victims because you didn't think they were obedient
to the elders? Idiot!!
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
20:09:21
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CAN ANYONE SHARE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE "MARCH" ON
9/27? THANK YOU . . . . FRED
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
20:12:50
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Hi, i have been dealing with a sexual abuse case with the
witnesses over the last 14 months and i don't go anymore as
a result of nothing being done about the abuser. i was wandering
if anyone knows: Is New Zealand one of the NON-REPORTING STATES?
I REALLY NEED TO KNOW. THANX SW (N. Z)
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
20:39:08
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Bill Bowden loves his work. He really loves those hugs and
attention from the supposedly abused girls. Hey Bill----why
don't you work for the Protestants? They are the top sexual
abusers of all. It's a fact. Read about it!
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
20:43:50
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Hey HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's exactly what we say when one of
you people present your outdated 1914, this generation will
not pass, just around the corner, canned presentations. People
are more informed in these times and all the Watchtower failures
spring up in our minds when you are mentioned. The Organization
is experiencing zero or negative growth in developed countries,
because people know better. Better send people where "the
need is great"(countries where no one knows your background).
Then you may be able to buy another 120 years till they catch
up to you too.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
20:56:37
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"
Millions now living will never die". That was another
one of the big Watchtower predictions from 1925. What a joke
this religion has turned out to be. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
21:28:39
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To the slanderous idiot, any "christian" religion
that is not catholicism, is by definition protestant, THE
JW'S ARE PROTESTANTS.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
21:49:07
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This is so sad. I really feel for the people who have been
so devastated by these issues. The Bullies will get their
fill of picking on the weaker ones and that shows their character.
I know the value of arguing. ATTACK always ATTACK this takes
away the others power. So they think. All power belongs to
you the individual, all power, "yours and theirs".
That is why if you are a victim of these crimes, even right
now, and you have anyone, ANYONE, who tells you that you are
to be silent or to wait is a fool and has nothing to do with
God or the spirit of Christ. You must come forward; If you
do not then others will suffer as you suffer. You will find
that there are people all around you that will help you, I
know that. As more people awaken and understand that ALL that
these people have is the perception of power over you. For
so long women have been led to believe that they are nothing
with out their husbands. Regardless of how piggish he may
be. It is a part of the "Big Lie. " Being a husband
is a privilege not a birth right. A wife is not an indentured
servant or a slave of a man. The so called "secular laws" are
in place to protect all of us and thank God they are, because
just think of life with the Governing Body as the law of the
land. That is scary. There will be so many news reports as
people come forward. You the victim have the key. You have
the power. You have the choice. I will support you, and so
will others. That does not mean to abandon your faith. Your
faith is not (or should not) be in a building, or in any man.
Your faith is in God though Jesus Christ. That does not =
the Governing Body. It just does not! WAIT? At the expense
of our children? NO! We must stand together. I want to believe
that the things that I do today will make for the better world
of a child 100 years from now. Many believe that there will
not be 100 years. But there just might be. As there was 100
years. "Pray to God but row to shore. " You would
not get very far if you just "waited on Jehovah." How
would Tom Hanks faired it he had just waited in Cast Away?
He did not and this is no different. If you are called a liar
for telling the truth but later say that what you said was
not true then what are you? Were you a liar or were you turned
into one? I want to be one in Christ but not at the expense
of everyone around me. I would rather be labeled"apostate" by
a man than to answer why I could have protected children and
helped victims but instead I was worried about image on Judgment
Day. -Jayson (The talking ape)
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
22:02:57
Comments
Since the so-called FDS is composed of supposed "spirit-anointed" persons,
what is going to happen in the next decade or so when they
are all dead? I'm not a JW, but from what I understand, there
are only about 8000 or so of these folks still around, so
how will the FDS dispense it's so-called "food" once
they are all gone. Do you think the borg will just drop the
teaching (sort of like the 1914 "generation") and
hope the rest of their followers don't notice the doctrinal
change? After all, we all KNOW that eventually the rest of
the anointed are going to die and Armageddon will not have
arrived. As a wise person once said, "Time is always
the greatest enemy of a false prophet". Lawrence P. S.
Congrats to the courageous marchers. You have definitely exposed
the dirty linen of the GB and their mind-numbed "theocratic" followers!
I'm enjoying turning the tables on the JWs I meet on the street
or at my door.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
22:03:15
Comments
Since the so-called FDS is composed of supposed "spirit-anointed" persons,
what is going to happen in the next decade or so when they
are all dead? I'm not a JW, but from what I understand, there
are only about 8000 or so of these folks still around, so
how will the FDS dispense it's so-called "food" once
they are all gone. Do you think the borg will just drop the
teaching (sort of like the 1914 "generation") and
hope the rest of their followers don't notice the doctrinal
change? After all, we all KNOW that eventually the rest of
the anointed are going to die and Armageddon will not have
arrived. As a wise person once said, "Time is always
the greatest enemy of a false prophet". Lawrence P. S.
Congrats to the courageous marchers. You have definitely exposed
the dirty linen of the GB and their mind-numbed "theocratic" followers!
I'm enjoying turning the tables on the JWs I meet on the street
or at my door.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
23:47:13
Comments
HaHAHAHAHAHAHA you apostate wankers your march sucked and
you only proved you're a bunch of gays and prostitutes. Are
you happy? Are you proud now you've started your own cult
under the leadership of your grand "masturbator",
Bill B. ? Gather 'round to take the milk from flaccid Bill
B. ! Gather all the lambs to the great circle-jerk!
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
00:05:31
Comments
To the person who said "You demonstrate a total lack
of compassion and understanding for humans -- their mental
and emotional needs. " I am laughing at Bill B. and his
limp-dicked followers. Like you, I'm not associated with JW's
any more, but I think your attitude sucks. Just move on, GET
A LIFE GROW A BRAIN GROW UP. Bill B. is in it for the attention,
so he creates his own lil' "cult" following, at
least 50% of the people involved have nothing to do with being
abused, but found out about this and said "Whoopee!!
Now I can jump on the bandwagon and proclaim my irrational
hatred for JW's!". John (the "spelling retard")
being a case in point. Anyone who rubs shoulders with these
kind of venomous snakes who make it their life's work to spread
lies and hate do not fit my definition of victims. Nobody
who posts here can claim to be "innocent". Any so-called
victim who thinks he or she will find love and acceptance
amongst Bill B. and his cronies is warped and completely mistaken.
The same kind of twisted people that make up lies to accuse
elders or say "I was raped at bethel" I'm not in
denial, it goes on. But people who tune in to this web site
are seeing an overblown, unrealistic picture. The apostates
LOVE it. YEAH! Negative propaganda against the witnesses!
Satan laughs with delight. HaHAHAHAHAHA
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
04:44:48
Comments
The person that signs HAHAHAHA is a probably a JW elder loser
who leads a double life(surprise,surprise)Not that uncommon.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
06:55:47
Comments
Hey Jayson the talking ape. Your little speech was so compelling.
Wow! What graceful, articulate and well arranged words. It
should go down in annals of history as one of the greatest
stories ever told. You and Martin Luther King Jr must have
the same blood line or something. And to the one who is trying
to scare the AP poster with all that crap about IP addresses.
There is nothing illegal about obvious parodies. You need
to take a look at the law or get you a better legal encyclopedia.
That is no more slander than what this site says and claims
about JW's and their teachings. Take a look back through some
of the posts and you will see all the kind comments about
JW's. Is that slander or is it matter of opinion? That is
the difference you big nameless jerk (oh did I slander you?
Sorry) So AP poster you just keep on posting if you want.
There is nothing that can legally be done by a cowardly nameless
poster or this site unless they want a lawsuit themselves.
We have as much right to express opinion as anyone else. The
problem is that it scares some in here who would like to keep
the party to themselves so they can wallow in each others
mire rather than look at other points of view. Your threats
are no different than the so called threats and intimidation
you say JW's dish out to dissenters. Hypocrite! Again I ask
all objective observers, Who's better than who? RJ
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
08:47:56
Comments
To the legal expert that keeps posting here, there is NOT
any slander at this web site. Slander is when one or others
talk to people other than the person they're talking about
and they say or repeat derogatory talk about the non-present
person or persons. Slander is face-to-face VERBAL abuse. It
is LIBEL when you vilify or publish derogatory talk about
another or others. That's when the bad talk is put in writing.
You need to check your legal encyclopedia. By the way, there
is software that can record each visitors address and capture
their E-mail address if it's not already a capability within
the system one is using. There is so much ignorance posted
here about everything and everyone, including the Watchtower
organization. Yet, such ones talk as though they're authorities
on the subject. Also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what's wrong with wanting
hugs and kisses? Affection is a natural demonstration of liking,
respect and appreciation. Regular people like expressing and
receiving it. What is the matter -- didn't anyone ever hug
and kiss you without sexual overtones?!?!?! Poor baby in an
adult's body.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
08:53:14
Comments
March pictures can be view here
> http://www. jehovahs-witness. com/forum/thread. aspx?id=37652&site=3
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
08:58:50
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
09:13:59
Comments
What you say on your website is so true. I used to be a JW
years ago, my aunt , uncle, cousin and his wife recently have
left. I am so glad for them. This is more of a cult than religion.
They have to much control on peoples life. I am so glad to
be out of it. Your website is fantastic and you hit the nail
on the head. I heard there was a protest march in front of
the watchtower headquarters but it was not televised, Why
wasn't it? If you know please advise. Thanks. ginny@pivot. net
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
09:33:44
Comments
NEW ZEALAND CHILD ABUSE LINKS: http://www. geocities. com/peterzohrab/ischlabu. html
and http://library. canterbury. ac. nz/web/ref/justicestat. shtml
-- FOR MORE INFORMATION GO TO http://www. google. com and type
child abuse in New Zealand in the "Search" rectangle
and then press "Enter". I didn't notice anything
about reporting. Perhaps you will find information that is
helpful to you through these links.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
09:37:05
Comments
CHRIST CHURCH, NEW ZEALAND, RITUAL ABUSE CASES -- http://www. religioustolerance. org/ra_newze. htm
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
09:38:48
Comments
GENES, CHILD ABUSE AND VIOLENCE IN NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA
-- http://www. abc. net. au/health/minutes/stories/s641516. htm
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
10:05:34
Comments
Hi I hear the March on the WT headquarters was successful.
Congratulations to the organizers and those that attended.
I am sure you had lots of fun. I am sorry for not being with
you. Mr. Lawrence Hughes is looking for those that are hurting
because of Jeh. Witnesses. He is organizing a GLOBAL CLASS
ACTION LAWSUIT against the Governing Body of the WT in Brooklyn
New York. All interested parties call him for information
so you can register for compensation. Here is his email. LawrenceH@cpgroup. com
Even those qualify that were never members of this Cult but
were somehow connected so there was emotional or other damage
done to them. Let's have more FUN with the Watchtower "god's
gift to mankind". rmk. RMK
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
10:06:35
Comments
to ginny@pivot. net There was no televised footage of the march
because nobody gave a hoot. The JW organization works hard
to help those in need and the world in general knows that
and view JW's as no more a serious threat than the mennonites,
catholics, protestants or any other religious group. They
had more important news to broadcast other than 100 people
or so spouting out hot air. Thus no one really gave a hoot.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
10:26:43
Comments
Jayson, Thank you for the profound wisdom. I especially liked
the "Pray to God but row to shore". We can not sit
back and do nothing and expect God to bless us for the "nothing" I
have recently been silenced by the congregation. My DA announcement
was on Tuesday Sept 24. But even those of us who have been
cut off from communication with the former "friends" can
have a voice. And like you I would rather be branded an apostate
by man than be found wanting by God. Jah's opinion of me is
what counts. **** Mole, My family has begun having a serious
Bible search lately too. We are not using the prescribed study
formula of the WTS. We are digging into various subjects using
every source we can until we come to an understanding. Amazing
what we find. *** I have been out of touch lately. Sorry if
I caused anyone concern. I still visit this site and enjoy
reading everyone's thoughts. (even the sad rantings of the
seriously disturbed)(they deserve our kindness since their
minds have been twisted and distorted by years of mental abuse
by the WTS) *** I still love Ya'll, Loris
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
10:43:39
Comments
RMK give me a break! A global class action lawsuit against
the GB what a laugh! Why don't you just get on with your life?
If this Mr hughes has nothing better to do than organize a
global class action lawsuit against the GB then he too needs
to get a life. It will never get the momentum to even get
on the docket. I'm sorry for anyone that has ever gotten hurt
but is brooding over it for the rest of your lives going to
give you peace and closure? You have already removed yourself
from the JW organization why don't you just move on now? That's
what I am doing and it has worked for me. I don't even want
to go through all the bad memories again. Sorry if I sound
harsh but I just think it's futile. Leave it in God's hands
just as you leave your salvation in his hands by the choices
you make.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
10:51:44
Comments
It seems the protest was quite a success. The most direct
evidence here is the vitriol it elicited from the JW defenders.
Not one word assailing the value of the issues. What I read
is a boat load of unreasoned, childish name calling and attacks
on the messenger. Excellent job! One point I have been considering:
I think the JW defenders are laying bare one of their most
significant weaknesses, namely their lack of education. It
is weak minded to address an issue by name calling and attacking
the messenger. But they do it because it is an approach that
they hear constantly in their five-times-weekly indoctrination
sessions. I firmly believe they are sincere. If they would
learn to think for themselves, they would be willing to work
through the issues. Again, nice job folks. - Buster
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
11:07:35
Comments
Mary had a little lamb, its pee was yellow in the snow. A
circuit overseer saw how "unclean" the snow was,
and asked an elder to oversee its removal. The elder, being
lazy as elders are, used a commanding, authoritative voice
when commanding the ministerial servant to clean it up. The
bashful, humble, sick MS had someone he molested clean it
up. See how piss and shit work flow downhill??
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
11:25:38
Comments
And Buster does the above Mary had little lamb story comes
show that the SL supporters are more educated? Man that was
about as childish as anything I've seen posted on here. Even
the AP poster who is undoubtedly ignorant cannot be compared
to that little bit of literary genius. That just shows that
ignorance comes in all forms of life. Don't go bad mouthing
some of the JW's who have come in here for being uneducated
in your opinion when it clear that some of the SL supporters
are just as ignorant if not more so. Case in point above!
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
11:34:42
Comments
The Jehovah Religion has disrupted my family. My sister is
active in the jehovah religion and my family is very upset
with this. You cannot talk to her about religion or god as
she believes that we are all wrong and that jehovah is right.
This is very sad for our family as we are loosing her as a
family member. mayngo@aol. com
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
12:03:48
Comments
Sorry to say I will not be posting here until there is a
way of registering with ID# and password if I wanted to be
further abused by WT pedophiles I would go to the KH and use
the rest room RJ you are a pile of steaming pucky, I will
be on Jehovahs-witnesses . com were there is a little more
structure to the site, I have not noticed this sort of abuse
going on there, sorry I will be back when there are sanctions
of some sort removing these abusive pedophiles from the
WT from entering the site. . . NP
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
12:29:55
Comments
NP *** DITTO *** There has to be more order and less chaos
here. The lambs are going to shrink back into silence. ABUSE
MUST STOP. Here would be a good place to start
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
13:02:27
Comments
To the better legal expert. You are correct. The remarks are
SLANDEROUS however, the legal charge is LIBEL. . . . SLANDER
- A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or
gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the
person defamed; distinguished from libel. The defaming a man
in his reputation by speaking or writing words which affect
his life, office, or trade, etc. Falsity and malice are ingredients
of slander. Written or printed slanders are LIBELS. . Each
guestbook users IP address should be captured along with the
time of the entry. Also IP addresses can be blocked by the
website host or a complain can be made to the guestbook abusers
service provider. Most providers do not care about TROLLS
on a forum but libel and harassment of victims on a support
site could be a different issue. Basically I think the child
using the computer should be aware that there can be consequences.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
14:09:08
Comments
And you still have not told me how the words and statements
on this site both by Bill Bowen and numerous posters to the
guestbook and marches made on the WT with signs is not slander
or libel. They are not slanderous or libel they are simply
opinions. Facts have to be presented to prove something. That
is why a class action lawsuit would fail and that's why the
other lawsuits have failed. The problem is that you guys don't
like dissenting views. You like to be in your own little paradise
and tell your stories to make each other feel better. You
can't take the heat that you yourselves began to dish out
the moment you started call all JW's pedophiles and calling
for the destruction of the WT society. So go over to JW. com
because there they only let in your kind. The reason there
is "structure" is because the minute someone registers
with a dissenting view he is booted after a few posts. This
keeps you all in your little paradise without having to listen
to us. Then you can bash and poke fun at JW's and doctrine
without interference which is how most cowards like it. Yes
IP addresses can be logged and yes the administrator of this
site could block one. But there will be no lawsuit over freedom
of speech. It has been struck down more times than Clinton
said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman,
miss Lewinsky" What do you think keeps Jay Leno and Letterman
in business? It is called freedom of speech! They have made
many JW puns and jokes. Yet they are not sued by JW's. It's
called freedom of speech! Why do you think all the other JW
sites are online? Do they have nice things to say about JW's.
No they are full of dissenting views and insinuations, even
GB names are used and blasphemed. It's called freedom of speech
my friends. The worst thing that can happen is an IP address
is blocked and then there are public libraries, cyber cafes,
and other computers for rent. You will not be able to stop
opposing views so get used to it legal genius! RJ
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
15:59:58
Comments
RJ: The slander remarks was not in reference to dissenting
opinions but was in regard to the false AP reports and the
false website listed as owned by Bill, calling Bill a homosexual
and insinuating that he was a child molester. Those type comments
are not opinions they are libelous statements. You constantly
complain that JW's are not treated fairly on this site, therefore,
you surely must agree that this type of conduct should be
taboo.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
16:21:23
Comments
What is an FDS?
Remote User:
Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
16:47:57
Comments
RJ: The trouble is we already know your views are the same
as the WTS and that your attitude is one of hatefulness towards
anyone who opposes your "view. " WTS keeps people "silent" within
the organization and then yells for free speech in public.
There is no "free speech" within the organization
unless it is agreeable to the WTS. You come here to exercise
this free speech that the "society" forbids you
at the KH and amongst the "friends. " Would you print
all your posts and proudly present them to the District Overseer
and know that he would approve of the way you love your enemies?*****
You come here to let it all hang out in a way you could never
ever speak openly with your congregation. JW's idea of free
speech is oppressive and that is exactly what you try to do
here. You intimidate and try to oppress free speech of others
and then when someone wants to stop you - you yell free speech.
Your right to "free speech" has to be done responsibly
with the rights of other's free speech not infringed upon.
But you don't know the meaning of "free speech" or
the responsibility that goes with it. You don't hear, you
don't respect that this is our place here - not yours. You
have a right to disagree respectfully - but you do it oppressively
like you have been taught at the KH. We left because of the
oppressive atmosphere - to the extent that they would intimidate
and oppress a child who has been raped or molested. The whole
show is based on oppressiveness and now you want to come here
and intimidate people into more oppressiveness with mockery
and ridicule. If they have to shut you out because they can't
shut you up - well, deary this is exactly what they do at
the KH! Do you GET IT? I know you don't approve of Bill and
Silentlambs - but why do you come here? Tell us once and get
on with your life, right??? Get over it. You don't see the
grave concerns, we accept that you don't. Now accept we are
not going to accept your "grave concerns" and you
just need to get over it. **************RJ, I don't think
any of us hates you - but you do the hypocrite thing and you
don't realize what a h |
